Might as well go ahead and say it: Gregg Marshall

[18IsTheMan]

He's had a couple years in the desert to atone for his sins, which were not major. His transgressions are nothing near the level of Art Briles, and, unlike Briles, he's definitely employable again. Again, given the nature of his misdeeds, enough time has lapsed (think Bob Knight). Unlike the stain that comes with sexual assault allegations like Briles dealt with, Marshall was basically just a bully. Some will say "No! We just fired a coach who yelled at players. We don't need another." To that I make the same point I made in a thread yesterday: you can yell all you want, as long as you win games. And, brother, Marshall is an NCAAT machine. He's 59, so he's still got some mileage left. He's a SC native, so there's that storyline.

Somewhere, someone is going to give Marshall another chance. Just like Texas Tech did with Bobby Knight. We totally screwed the pooch when we went with Dave Odom when Bob Knight was out there on the market, all because our fans were scared that he grabbed some punk kid by the arm. Knight would have taken us to multiple NCAAT, without a doubt. For sure, we would not have been celebrating in the streets over back-to-back NIT titles.

We have a very similar chance this time around. Knight was 60 when we passed on him. Marshall is 59.

Marshall needs a chance at redemption, and he's going to get it somewhere. This is our very best opportunity to nab a coach who is a virtual lock to take us to multiple NCAAT.

Or we can take the "high road" and continue wishing that we could be an NCAAT team someday.

 

[Fried Chicken]

For me, go get your #1 guy and if it doesn’t happen, Gregg Marshall is a great 2nd or 3rd option. He’d be #1 if not for the issues he’s had. Just wish we hired the guy when we hired Darrin Horn.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I don't know who a #1 for us would be. We will roll the dice on somebody unproven. Marshall is the ONLY shot we have at a coach who has proven he can take teams to the NCAAT. Sheesh, he took Winthrop to the NCAAT in 7 out of 9 seasons. There is nothing Marshall did that is unforgivable, so long as folks don't have their panties in a twist.

It's a very simple decision. If you want a guarantee of multiple NCAAT trips over the next few seasons, hire Marshall. He's a lock. I don't care what he does to get us there, he'll get us there. And when he does, we won't care that he cussed someone out for taking his parking place.

If the metric we're using is NCAAT, then there is one choice for us.

 

[Spurman54]

Why not give Gregg Marshall a second chance. We all have made mistakes in life. He would be someone who can coach and would have us in the NCAA tourney in two years if not sooner.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Why not give Gregg Marshall a second chance. We all have made mistakes in life. He would be someone who can coach and would have us in the NCAA tourney in two years if not sooner.

And, in the grand scheme of things, his transgressions were pretty minor. Nothing he did rises anywhere close to the level of "he should never coach again."

In my opinion, he's done his time by sitting out a couple seasons. He will have someone in the NCAAT before long. It's up to us whether it's us or someone else.

 

[Fried Chicken]

I don't know who a #1 for us would be. We will roll the dice on somebody unproven. Marshall is the ONLY shot we have at a coach who has proven he can take teams to the NCAAT. Sheesh, he took Winthrop to the NCAAT in 7 out of 9 seasons. There is nothing Marshall did that is unforgivable, so long as folks don't have their panties in a twist.

It's a very simple decision. If you want a guarantee of multiple NCAAT trips over the next few seasons, hire Marshall. He's a lock. I don't care what he does to get us there, he'll get us there. And when he does, we won't care that he cussed someone out for taking his parking place.

If the metric we're using is NCAAT, then there is one choice for us.

Sounds like our #1 is Sean Miller.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Sounds like our #1 is Sean Miller.

Meh, he was wrapped up in all that federal investigation stuff. I don't mind yelling and bullying, but not so much on the corruption.

We could always look to make a big splash and go for a big fish like Scott Drew. We could give him a nice raise and an opportunity to coach in a higher profile conference.

As far as what's feasible for us and assures us of multiple trips to the NCAAT, Marshall is the smart pick. There's no downside.

We'll probably go with Mike Boynton, even though he has underwhelmed at OkSt. It's what we do.

 

[ToddFlanders]

Marshall could also come cheap - second chances come with a discount. Surround him with a strong staff. I would bet he’s on his best behavior when he does get another shot.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Marshall could also come cheap - second chances come with a discount. Surround him with a strong staff. I would bet he’s on his best behavior when he does get another shot.

Yep, great point. A few years ago, Marshall would have been unattainable for us. Now we could not only get him, but with a steep discount.

We have an opportunity for multiple trips to the NCAAT lying at our feet. We just have to bend over and pick it up.

 

[KingWard]

The time for us to hire Marshall has come ---------- and gone.

 

[Fried Chicken]

Meh, he was wrapped up in all that federal investigation stuff. I don't mind yelling and bullying, but not so much on the corruption.

We could always look to make a big splash and go for a big fish like Scott Drew. We could give him a nice raise and an opportunity to coach in a higher profile conference.

As far as what's feasible for us and assures us of multiple trips to the NCAAT, Marshall is the smart pick. There's no downside.

We'll probably go with Mike Boynton, even though he has underwhelmed at OkSt. It's what we do.

Just saying that’s who is reportedly our #1. But I must point out we would’ve said similar things with Bruce Pearl back in the day. We could do far worse. I’d be fine with Marshall over Miller.

I’m a big Marshall supporter, but I’m not sure he will duplicate his previous success here. If he could, I’d love to see it. Just wonder how much the allegations against him will impact his ability to recruit. But he never recruited GREAT players anyway. He’s just a great coach.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Just saying that’s who is reportedly our #1. But I must point out we would’ve said similar things with Bruce Pearl back in the day. We could do far worse. I’d be fine with Marshall over Miller.

I’m a big Marshall supporter, but I’m not sure he will duplicate his previous success here. If he could, I’d love to see it. Just wonder how much the allegations against him will impact his ability to recruit. But he never recruited GREAT players anyway. He’s just a great coach.

True about Pearl.

 

[18IsTheMan]

The time for us to hire Marshall has come ---------- and gone.

In what way(s)?

 

[KingWard]

In what way(s)?

This day and time, if a man has a history of putting his hands on people out of anger, it's cautionary at best. Look, I'm willing. I don't think our administration will be willing - out of an abundance of caution.

 

[ToddFlanders]

This day and time, if a man has a history of putting his hands on people out of anger, it's cautionary at best. Look, I'm willing. I don't think our administration will be willing - out of an abundance of caution.

Allegedly. An $8M buyout suggests that may not be entirely accurate. And from what I’ve read - at most it was alleged to happen twice in his 22 years as a head coach. I think he can hold it together, especially given what he has lost and would stand to lose. By all accounts he’s a winner - and never having this come up again would be a win.

 

[18IsTheMan]

This day and time, if a man has a history of putting his hands on people out of anger, it's cautionary at best. Look, I'm willing. I don't think our administration will be willing - out of an abundance of caution.

Given the nature of the allegations, though, I think a 2 year exile from the game is sufficient. Nothing he did comes close to carrying the indelible stain of something like masking sexual assault or anything. I certainly don't think anything he did rises to the level of making him unemployable again. Surely he knows wherever he ends up he's going to be under a microscope.

I'm sure you're right about our administration, though. I just don't think there's a lot to be worried about.

Maybe he wouldn't be able to replicate his success here, I dunno. But he was an NCAAT machine with Winthrop and WSU. As noted above, I guess there's a question about whether or not he can recruit. But how much of that can he offset by being a great coach? We'll probably never know.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Allegedly. An $8M buyout suggests that may not be entirely accurate. And from what I’ve read - at most it was alleged to happen twice in his 22 years as a head coach. I think he can hold it together, especially given what he has lost and would stand to lose. By all accounts he’s a winner - and never having this come up again would be a win.

Yeah, the buyout makes one wonder. I mean, if it can be proved that you punched a player, choked an assistant and hurled racial slurs at a player, you're not getting an $8 million buyout.

 

[KingWard]

Allegedly. An $8M buyout suggests that may not be entirely accurate. And from what I’ve read - at most it was alleged to happen twice in his 22 years as a head coach. I think he can hold it together, especially given what he has lost and would stand to lose. By all accounts he’s a winner - and never having this come up again would be a win.

As I said, I'm willing. I don't call the shots.

 

[atl-cock]

Glad to see everyone spelling Gregg correctly....

 

[18IsTheMan]

Glad to see everyone spelling Gregg correctly....

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[gary munn]

He's had a couple years in the desert to atone for his sins, which were not major. His transgressions are nothing near the level of Art Briles, and, unlike Briles, he's definitely employable again. Again, given the nature of his misdeeds, enough time has lapsed (think Bob Knight). Unlike the stain that comes with sexual assault allegations like Briles dealt with, Marshall was basically just a bully. Some will say "No! We just fired a coach who yelled at players. We don't need another." To that I make the same point I made in a thread yesterday: you can yell all you want, as long as you win games. And, brother, Marshall is an NCAAT machine. He's 59, so he's still got some mileage left. He's a SC native, so there's that storyline.

Somewhere, someone is going to give Marshall another chance. Just like Texas Tech did with Bobby Knight. We totally screwed the pooch when we went with Dave Odom when Bob Knight was out there on the market, all because our fans were scared that he grabbed some punk kid by the arm. Knight would have taken us to multiple NCAAT, without a doubt. For sure, we would not have been celebrating in the streets over back-to-back NIT titles.

We have a very similar chance this time around. Knight was 60 when we passed on him. Marshall is 59.

Marshall needs a chance at redemption, and he's going to get it somewhere. This is our very best opportunity to nab a coach who is a virtual lock to take us to multiple NCAAT.

Or we can take the "high road" and continue wishing that we could be an NCAAT team someday.

this posting says it all !

 

[Game...Cocks]

I don't know who a #1 for us would be. We will roll the dice on somebody unproven. Marshall is the ONLY shot we have at a coach who has proven he can take teams to the NCAAT. Sheesh, he took Winthrop to the NCAAT in 7 out of 9 seasons. There is nothing Marshall did that is unforgivable, so long as folks don't have their panties in a twist.

It's a very simple decision. If you want a guarantee of multiple NCAAT trips over the next few seasons, hire Marshall. He's a lock. I don't care what he does to get us there, he'll get us there. And when he does, we won't care that he cussed someone out for taking his parking place.

If the metric we're using is NCAAT, then there is one choice for us.

"he took Winthrop to the NCAAT in 7 out of 9 seasons"

 

[GamecockWarrior]

He's had a couple years in the desert to atone for his sins, which were not major. His transgressions are nothing near the level of Art Briles, and, unlike Briles, he's definitely employable again. Again, given the nature of his misdeeds, enough time has lapsed (think Bob Knight). Unlike the stain that comes with sexual assault allegations like Briles dealt with, Marshall was basically just a bully. Some will say "No! We just fired a coach who yelled at players. We don't need another." To that I make the same point I made in a thread yesterday: you can yell all you want, as long as you win games. And, brother, Marshall is an NCAAT machine. He's 59, so he's still got some mileage left. He's a SC native, so there's that storyline.

Somewhere, someone is going to give Marshall another chance. Just like Texas Tech did with Bobby Knight. We totally screwed the pooch when we went with Dave Odom when Bob Knight was out there on the market, all because our fans were scared that he grabbed some punk kid by the arm. Knight would have taken us to multiple NCAAT, without a doubt. For sure, we would not have been celebrating in the streets over back-to-back NIT titles.

We have a very similar chance this time around. Knight was 60 when we passed on him. Marshall is 59.

Marshall needs a chance at redemption, and he's going to get it somewhere. This is our very best opportunity to nab a coach who is a virtual lock to take us to multiple NCAAT.

Or we can take the "high road" and continue wishing that we could be an NCAAT team someday.

It's more than just yelling at players and unless you're lacking in the brain cells department you know that. I don't want a racist with a violent temper.

 

[18IsTheMan]

It's more than just yelling at players and unless you're lacking in the brain cells department you know that. I don't want a racist with a violent temper.

who fits that description?

 

[Gamekem]

I don't want anything to do with him. You hire him and you inherit the baggage that comes with him. If you think it's hard get people to come USC now, you can only imagine what it will be when it's noted that we hired a known coach that was both abusive and racist to his players.

There are some ethical standards that people are willing to overlook in current times like paying off players for the sake of winning, but abuse allegations isn't something recruits, their parents and other programs recruiting against us will ever look the other way on.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I don't want anything to do with him. You hire him and you inherit the baggage that comes with him. If you think it's hard get people to come USC now, you can only imagine what it will be when it's noted that we hired a known coach that was both abusive and racist to his players.

There are some ethical standards that people are willing to overlook in current times like paying off players for the sake of winning, but abuse allegations isn't something recruits, their parents and other programs recruiting against us will ever look the other way on.

Was anything ever proved?

 

[Gamekem]

Was anything ever proved?

So 30+ individuals speaking(staff and players) out against him and his employer firing him despite his success doesn't raise any red flags. I said it's allegations, but unless he can prove they are all just allegations and just a huge misunderstanding, all that baggage still surrounds him.
No reasonable parent will send their kid off into that situation. Just like if someone is alleged as being a predator by many reliable first hand sources, you wouldn't want to send your kids to be babysat by the person because he hasn't been proven in a court of law just yet.

 

[18IsTheMan]

So 30+ individuals speaking(staff and players) out against him and his employer firing him despite his success doesn't raise any red flags. I said it's allegations, but unless he can prove they are all just allegations and just a huge misunderstanding, all that baggage still surrounds him.
No reasonable parent will send their kid off into that situation. Just like if someone is alleged as being a predator by many reliable first hand sources, you wouldn't want to send your kids to be babysat by the person because he hasn't been proven in a court of law just yet.

Burden of proof lies with those making the allegations.

 

[Gamekem]

Burden of proof lies with those making the allegations.

That's fine and dandy but it still doesn't removes the baggage that surrounds him. So for his sake if he want a P5 or a top tier mid major job he needs to prove his own innocence or continue to be overlooked.

 

[Pepsicock]

He was fired for hitting his players and coaches. But you guys hated Frankfor yelling. lol

 

[18IsTheMan]

He was fired for hitting his players and coaches. But you guys hated Frankfor yelling. lol

He wasn't fired.

 

[18IsTheMan]

That's fine and dandy but it still doesn't removes the baggage that surrounds him. So for his sake if he want a P5 or a top tier mid major job he needs to prove his own innocence or continue to be overlooked.

How can you prove you didn't say something?

 

[Pepsicock]

He wasn't fired.

Gregg Marshall resigns from Wichita State amid player abuse allegations

Wichita State men's basketball coach Gregg Marshall resigned from the university he helped elevate to college hoops relevancy on Tuesday.

www.usatoday.com

 

[18IsTheMan]

Gregg Marshall resigns from Wichita State amid player abuse allegations

Wichita State men's basketball coach Gregg Marshall resigned from the university he helped elevate to college hoops relevancy on Tuesday.

www.usatoday.com

Yes, he resigned. Not fired.

 

[Gamekem]

How can you prove you didn't say something?

He could always sue for defaming his character and he could have attempted to get those 30+ people to prove what they said wasn't true.

 

[18IsTheMan]

He could always sue for defaming his character and he could have attempted to get those 30+ people to prove what they said wasn't true.

ok.

As I said in my OP, we're in nearly an identical situation compared to when we had a chance to hire Bob Knight but instead opted for Odom. Our fans at the time were clutching their pearls at the thought of a hiring a guy who grabbed a disrespectful punk kid by the arm. Tx Tech wasn't so afraid and they proceeded to make several trips to the NCAAT while we achieved the forgettable feat of being back-to-back NIT champions.

We won't succeed at basketball because we really don't want to.

 

[Gamekem]

ok.

As I said in my OP, we're in nearly an identical situation compared to when we had a chance to hire Bob Knight but instead opted for Odom. Our fans at the time were clutching their pearls at the thought of a hiring a guy who grabbed a disrespectful punk kid by the arm. Tx Tech wasn't so afraid and they proceeded to make several trips to the NCAAT while we achieved the forgettable feat of being back-to-back NIT champions.

We won't succeed at basketball because we really don't want to.

We're are in different times, you can't get away with openly abusing people like that. Punching players, assaulting your own staff and making racist remarks is hardly pearl clutching. You may not believe he did those things and that's fine but as long most people do it will be a dark cloud that will haunt his career , recruiting and whatever program that takes a chance on him. I definitely want to win and have a winning program at USC but this doesn't seem like the answer and it will cause more headaches than help.

 

[18IsTheMan]

We're are in different times, you can't get away with openly abusing people like that. Punching players, assaulting your own staff and making racist remarks is hardly pearl clutching. You may not believe he did those things and that's fine but as long most people do it will be a dark cloud that will haunt his career , recruiting and whatever program that takes a chance on him. I definitely want to win and have a winning program at USC but this doesn't seem like the answer and it will cause more headaches than help.

It’s really just not that big of a deal. At the time people thought what Bob Knight did was horrific. Even if Marshall did the things he’s accused of, none of it rises to the level of putting him past redemption.

I, for one, don’t care if he did it or not. None of it is jaw-dropping stuff. As long as he can win games.

 

[GamecockWarrior]

who fits that description?

You know the answer to this question.