Mike Leach takes his teams bowling

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With 20 years coaching he has only missed a bowl game twice (when he first started at WSU). Going forward keep your bags packed for the bowl games that will follow. What he did at Texas Tech is remarkable.
 

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With 20 years coaching he has only missed a bowl game twice (when he first started at WSU). Going forward keep your bags packed for the bowl games that will follow. What he did at Texas Tech is remarkable.


Considering there are today 41 bowl games, making a bowl is a bare minimum for an SEC program.
 

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Considering there are today 41 bowl games, making a bowl is a bare minimum for an SEC program.

These are things PirateDawg and folks like him need to hear. More often than not, we're going bowling these days. We should never miss a bowl, regardless of coach.
 

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These are things PirateDawg and folks like him need to hear. More often than not, we're going bowling these days. We should never miss a bowl, regardless of coach.


Exactly. So many folks still in a mindset from 25 years ago, when it *was* a relatively big deal for a team like Miss State to make a bowl. There were what, maybe 20 bowls then?
 

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Exactly. So many folks still in a mindset from 25 years ago, when it *was* a relatively big deal for a team like Miss State to make a bowl. There were what, maybe 20 bowls then?

13 out of 14 SEC schools are bowling this year. If the OOC schedule is soft enough, a 2-6 conference record gets you bowling. It's just not an accomplishment anymore.
 

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Going to a bowl is still a big deal, it may not be as exclusive as it was 25 years ago but don’t go to a bowl and see how important it becomes.
 

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Exactly. So many folks still in a mindset from 25 years ago, when it *was* a relatively big deal for a team like Miss State to make a bowl. There were what, maybe 20 bowls then?
Well, considering there are only three other SEC teams with a bowl streak as long as ours it's still somewhat of a big deal. If we had had 41 bowls back in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, and 80s we still wouldn't have we still would not have gone to that many. Too many MSU people are glass half empty people.
 

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Well, considering there are only three other SEC teams with a bowl streak as long as ours it's still somewhat of a big deal. If we had had 41 bowls back in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, and 80s we still wouldn't have we still would not have gone to that many. Too many MSU people are glass half empty people.

It's not a big deal. And our bowl streak is ******** because we had losing records two of those years.
 

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These are things PirateDawg and folks like him need to hear. More often than not, we're going bowling these days. We should never miss a bowl, regardless of coach.

Well we only reached one bowl game from 2001-2009. Winning 3 games or less in 6 of those seasons. So I wouldn’t say we should never miss one, especially when the SEC moves from 8 to 9 conference games which is inevitable. 9 conference games + 1P5 opponent + Memphis & SWAC team isn’t an automatic 6-6 like y’all think. Enjoy this bowl streak.
 

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Well we only reached one bowl game from 2001-2009. Winning 3 games or less in 6 of those seasons. So I wouldn’t say we should never miss one, especially when the SEC moves from 8 to 9 conference games which is inevitable. 9 conference games + 1P5 opponent + Memphis & SWAC team isn’t an automatic 6-6 like y’all think. Enjoy this bowl streak.

Back then we didn't play 12 games. We only played 11. That extra game (and extra automatic win) is the reason for the current bowl streak.
 

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These are things PirateDawg and folks like him need to hear. More often than not, we're going bowling these days. We should never miss a bowl, regardless of coach.

Yea, it is somthing I like to hear about my coach. Especially since he is coaching in the toughest division of the toughest conference in college football. Also, as a fan for many years we didn't go to bowls very often. Didn't someone post about Ole Miss and their limited number of bowl games over the last few years.
 

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Well we only reached one bowl game from 2001-2009. Winning 3 games or less in 6 of those seasons. So I wouldn’t say we should never miss one, especially when the SEC moves from 8 to 9 conference games which is inevitable. 9 conference games + 1P5 opponent + Memphis & SWAC team isn’t an automatic 6-6 like y’all think. Enjoy this bowl streak.


There were 25 bowl games in 2001. Also we fired 2 coaches during that stretch, and were slow on the trigger on both.
 

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You bowl haters are missing the point. It's perception. If bowl games are played, it's a big deal to be in one, even if you don't think they are important. I'd prefer to expand the playoff and get rid of bowls, but I don't make the rules.

Bottom line, there's no reason to criticize us playing in a bowl as long as they exist. Go with reality.
 

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But how many make it every single year? Teams have down years where they will miss bowls at times. For him to take middle of the road programs and be in bowls damn near every single year is pretty impressive
 

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Yea, it is somthing I like to hear about my coach. Especially since he is coaching in the toughest division of the toughest conference in college football. Also, as a fan for many years we didn't go to bowls very often. Didn't someone post about Ole Miss and their limited number of bowl games over the last few years.

If we had gotten slammed by the NCAA with bowl bans we wouldn't have the streak either. What's happened at Ole Miss has nothing to do with this discussion.

A 6-6 record with a losing conference record is the pure definition of mediocre. That should be the absolute floor of what we expect from our program, not something to beat our chest about.

I guess you're a fan of participation trophies, too.
 

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Back then we didn't play 12 games. We only played 11. That extra game (and extra automatic win) is the reason for the current bowl streak.

The 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, and 2008 teams would not have won 6 games in today’s CFB. We were awful then.
 

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You bowl haters are missing the point. It's perception. If bowl games are played, it's a big deal to be in one, even if you don't think they are important. I'd prefer to expand the playoff and get rid of bowls, but I don't make the rules.

Bottom line, there's no reason to criticize us playing in a bowl as long as they exist. Go with reality.


No one is criticizing making a bowl. However, saying Mike Leach (or any non-Vandy SEC coach) is hot **** simply for making a bowl is bananas.
 

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No one is criticizing making a bowl. However, saying Mike Leach (or any non-Vandy SEC coach) is hot **** simply for making a bowl is bananas.
Fair enough, but whey did we all worship at the altar of one Danny Shorts Merlinz? The results are damn near the exact same, except Leach has done it twice and Danny went to a blue blood and bombed in his second stint.
 

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The 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, and 2008 teams would not have won 6 games in today’s CFB. We were awful then.

You're missing the point.

Back then there were fewer bowls. Even 6-6 wouldn't have gotten us bowling if we were playing the extra game back then.

Way more bowls, plus one more automatic win, means we should go bowling every year. An SEC coach should get fired (and usually does these days) if he doesn't go bowling.
 

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You bowl haters are missing the point. It's perception. If bowl games are played, it's a big deal to be in one, even if you don't think they are important. I'd prefer to expand the playoff and get rid of bowls, but I don't make the rules.

Bottom line, there's no reason to criticize us playing in a bowl as long as they exist. Go with reality.
Agree, but no reason to get rid of the bowls, just use them as the playoff sites. 32 teams, 31 games.
 

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The 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, and 2008 teams would not have won 6 games in today’s CFB. We were awful then.


Leach is definitely better than end-of-career JWS and Croom. Is that really the point you want to be making?
 

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No one is criticizing making a bowl. However, saying Mike Leach (or any non-Vandy SEC coach) is hot **** simply for making a bowl is bananas.

I don’t think anyone is saying we’re hot **** for reaching the liberty bowl. But being dismissive of a 12 year bowl streak is ridiculous. It’s impressive even though we went to a bowl in 2016 & 2020 when maybe we shouldn’t have.
 

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Fair enough, but whey did we all worship at the altar of one Danny Shorts Merlinz? The results are damn near the exact same, except Leach has done it twice and Danny went to a blue blood and bombed in his second stint.

Yeah I think Mullens, especially early on, had the benefit of being compared to the prior coach.
 

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You're missing the point.

Back then there were fewer bowls. Even 6-6 wouldn't have gotten us bowling if we were playing the extra game back then.

Way more bowls, plus one more automatic win, means we should go bowling every year. An SEC coach should get fired (and usually does these days) if he doesn't go bowling.

You keep saying “we should go bowling every year” when I just listed 6 teams in the last 20 years that were terrible and would never reach a bowl in any given year. So no, a bowl game isn’t automatic. It’s not anything to throw a parade for but it’s not something to take for granted either.
 

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But how many make it every single year? Teams have down years where they will miss bowls at times. For him to take middle of the road programs and be in bowls damn near every single year is pretty impressive

It's a minimum expectation.

I don't care how many don't make it every year. I'm not interested in mismanagement of other football programs. Only this one. We should never not make a bowl. Never. It only requires being mediocre to do so.
 

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You keep saying “we should go bowling every year” when I just listed 6 teams in the last 20 years that were terrible and would never reach a bowl in any given year. So no, a bowl game isn’t automatic. It’s not anything to throw a parade for but it’s not something to take for granted either.

I don't care about other football teams. "whataboutisms" are stupid retorts. I care about Mississippi State.

Nowhere in this thread have I criticized Leach, said he was a poor coach, or said I hated going to bowls. This board is full of people who have poor reading comprehension skills or pivot discussion points with whataboutisms.

Once more for the record: We're going to a bowl game. Great. But let's not jerk each other off about it. It's not nearly as big of an accomplishment to go bowling as it was even 10 years ago. It should be our minimum expectation for this football program, and a coach should probably be fired or at least put on severe notice if it doesn't happen.

Thanks for reading.
 

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Everyone has down years. That is just sports. We can agree to disagree here but to say a coach makes 6-7 bowls in a row and if he misses one he should be fired is crazy
 

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I don’t think anyone is saying we’re hot **** for reaching the liberty bowl. But being dismissive of a 12 year bowl streak is ridiculous. It’s impressive even though we went to a bowl in 2016 & 2020 when maybe we shouldn’t have.

Even more impressive that we won the 2 and one was against a ranked opponent!
 

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Fair enough, but whey did we all worship at the altar of one Danny Shorts Merlinz? The results are damn near the exact same, except Leach has done it twice and Danny went to a blue blood and bombed in his second stint.
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How is this bombing in his second stint?

In 4 years he finished in the top10 in the country twice, top 13 three times, and played for an SEC Champtionship.
Yeah, this most recent season wasnt good. That **** above is hardly 'bombing'. I would love for a coach to come to MSU and 'bomb' this badly every 4 years.
 

Ralph Cramden

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You guys can't find middle ground. Anything positive gets **** on and you gotta take it to Gene's page and any negativity brings out the Far Cohen crowd. Not sure if this is a sports venue or comic book
 

OliveBranchDAWG

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I don't care about other football teams. "whataboutisms" are stupid retorts. I care about Mississippi State.

Nowhere in this thread have I criticized Leach, said he was a poor coach, or said I hated going to bowls. This board is full of people who have poor reading comprehension skills or pivot discussion points with whataboutisms.

Once more for the record: We're going to a bowl game. Great. But let's not jerk each other off about it. It's not nearly as big of an accomplishment to go bowling as it was even 10 years ago. It should be our minimum expectation for this football program, and a coach should probably be fired or at least put on severe notice if it doesn't happen.

Thanks for reading.

Great response! Because littered throughout this thread people are talking about jerking each other off because we reached a bowl game.

It’s all about perspective. 6-6 should be a minimum for a MSU coach currently, I think we all agree. But to win 6 games from 2010-2021 (COVID year not included) is impressive for Mississippi State and something to build on for the future. Only 3 other SEC teams have done that, in an era when SEC football is at it’s peak.
 

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Regarding 2016 and 2020, the fact that we won both of those bowl games justifies us being in them, for me at least. 2020 also had a conference only schedule, we might have gotten to 6-6 with our usual 12 game slate. For that reason I wouldn’t call those being lumped into the streak “bogus”.

But I agree that a bowl game is the bare minimum for us now. We are at a point where one 4-8 or 5-7 year with no postseason may get you fired and at the very least it has you firmly on the hot seat the following year.
 

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PirateDawg once again lost from his flock on Gene's Page.

Just proud of my team for making another bowl game and proud of our coach for taking us there. You should try it some time. You might be a happier person.
 
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