More info coming out about Tiger.............
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by playing on a torn ACL for the year, he has probably caused GREAT damage to his cartilage (hence the need for his most recent surgery). sure, he's won some tournaments and majors on a bum knee. but you can't screw around with cartilage. once it's gone, it's not coming back.
also, i would like to add, the grimaces you saw this weekend had NOTHING to do with his torn ACL. i'm sure those were from the fractured tibia. how the hell you do that playing golf, i don't know.
also, i would like to add, the grimaces you saw this weekend had NOTHING to do with his torn ACL. i'm sure those were from the fractured tibia. how the hell you do that playing golf, i don't know.
I don't even know where to begin in trying to understand this. Why would a multi-million dollar athlete jeopordize his career...by playing while injured? Especially when his doctors are telling him about the consequences?
Tiger may have screwed himself out of catching Jack.
Tiger may have screwed himself out of catching Jack.
I broke my Tibia skiing, while living in CO about ten years ago.
I was back on the slopes after 5 weeks, but it hurt every time I turned.
It was late in March, and I was not going to miss the whole season, so I dealt with it by taking a few pain pills.
That pain is no fun, but I am sure it was worth the win for Tiger...
He may never be the same again on that knee if he has no cartilage left.
They said they were doing re-constructive surgery, and I know that is not good.
I was back on the slopes after 5 weeks, but it hurt every time I turned.
It was late in March, and I was not going to miss the whole season, so I dealt with it by taking a few pain pills.
That pain is no fun, but I am sure it was worth the win for Tiger...
He may never be the same again on that knee if he has no cartilage left.
They said they were doing re-constructive surgery, and I know that is not good.
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Maybe if the guy is 45, its worth the risk
But at 32 to risk another 10 years of almost certain domination for win number 14 vs. 13???
Just foolish.
But at 32 to risk another 10 years of almost certain domination for win number 14 vs. 13???
Just foolish.
uhm, the last I saw he JUST won a major with that bum knee. If it was at the point of no return then the mofo couldn't haven even walked off the course. This is all just media hype so that they can double their satisfaction of blowing Tiger when he continues to dominate with a knee.
That's just how he is... that's how bad he wants to play and win... if it had been Jordan in a similar situation in the NBA Finals, he would have played too... same with just about every truly elite athlete in our lifetime...Woof Man Jack said:
He'll come back next year and be fine, he'll still catch Jack in about three years... he's only missing the final two majors of this season, which means he has almost an entire year to get healed and rested for the Masters in 2009...
I think it is just common sense that if the guy was able to play on the knee, then the knee is fine and will recover. He never collapsed and had to be carried off the course. If that had happened then maybe it would be a different story.
I called this yesterday before all of this came out. Tiger Out for Season
I have seen this many times in clinic and in the OR...people want to only fix a meniscus tear b/c it is easier and less painful than an ACL repair...problem is that it does not work. He may very well have done irreparable damage to a portion of meniscus that now will have to be removed. He will need significant rehab for that ACL and will be non-weight bearing for quite some time. All Tiger has accomplished is increased his risk for early osteoarthritis and is likely on his way to a knee replacement at an early age. Listen to your doctors...there is a reason it takes 10 years of post-collegiate education to become a licensed sports orthopedist.
I have seen this many times in clinic and in the OR...people want to only fix a meniscus tear b/c it is easier and less painful than an ACL repair...problem is that it does not work. He may very well have done irreparable damage to a portion of meniscus that now will have to be removed. He will need significant rehab for that ACL and will be non-weight bearing for quite some time. All Tiger has accomplished is increased his risk for early osteoarthritis and is likely on his way to a knee replacement at an early age. Listen to your doctors...there is a reason it takes 10 years of post-collegiate education to become a licensed sports orthopedist.
If reconstructive knee surgery doesn't end careers of football players (well football players who don't play at Mississippi State), why would it be that big of a deal for the best golfer in history? The doctors say his prognosis for a full recovery is excellent and there's no reason to think he won't pick up in 2009 right where he left off. Not to mention that somebody has already busted you by pointing out that Nicholson played most of his career with a degenerative hip injury that eventually required replacement. If Jack could play with a bad hip, Tiger can damn well play with a bad knee (even if his recovery isn't complete). Hell, he just won a major on it.</p>
And that's just the thing. If Tiger were to never play another tournament, it would still be argued that he may have been better than Jack or any other golfer. Bobby Jones quit playing competition golf at a young age. He could've set some really high marks had he played an entire career. Just because he doesn't hold all the records though doesn't mean he might not have been the best ever.
Tiger with or without playing another tournament will still be in that discussion as possibly the best ever.
Tiger with or without playing another tournament will still be in that discussion as possibly the best ever.
i'm not questioning tiger's ability to come back 100% and dominate like he does and has. i'm sure he'll rehab the hell out of that knee and be back. i'm talking about the life decision that he made, to disregard his knee problem and continue to play on it, damaging the cartilage.
here's the problem - you can replace an ACL. you can't replace cartilage. if he would have stopped and had the surgery when the injury happened, he wouldn't have suffered the damage to the cartilage. he's not getting that back, regardless of having reconstructive surgery and rehab.
/i also know you're not referring to me as the "dumb mother", just thought i'd clarify my position.</p>
here's the problem - you can replace an ACL. you can't replace cartilage. if he would have stopped and had the surgery when the injury happened, he wouldn't have suffered the damage to the cartilage. he's not getting that back, regardless of having reconstructive surgery and rehab.
/i also know you're not referring to me as the "dumb mother", just thought i'd clarify my position.</p>
While it's true that once you lose all of your cartilege, you're in pretty bad shape, I don't see anything that indicates that will be the case with Tiger. His doctors have said his prognosis for a complete recovery is excellent. And it's not like it's unprecedented for guys to put off surgery for a big game (or tournament in this case). You hear of football players all the time who will need surgery after the season is over.
he didn't put off surgery for one game or one tournament. he put it off for at least a year, according to the reports. most importantly, though, his cartilage continued to be damaged to the point that he had to have another surgery just to remove some.
make no mistake about his prognosis. the doctors say his chances for a full recovery is excellent. i don't question that. but those doctors are saying nothing about the long term irreparable damage to his cartilage. the longer you go between tearing your ACL and having the reconstructive surgery, the more damage you do to the cartilage. that's why most people, if you're going to have surgery, go ahead and do it before any more activity that would be strenuous on your knees. most football players who will need surgery after the season don't have torn ligaments, only torn cartilage (meniscus). putting off the surgery for one tournament would be a different situation.</p>
make no mistake about his prognosis. the doctors say his chances for a full recovery is excellent. i don't question that. but those doctors are saying nothing about the long term irreparable damage to his cartilage. the longer you go between tearing your ACL and having the reconstructive surgery, the more damage you do to the cartilage. that's why most people, if you're going to have surgery, go ahead and do it before any more activity that would be strenuous on your knees. most football players who will need surgery after the season don't have torn ligaments, only torn cartilage (meniscus). putting off the surgery for one tournament would be a different situation.</p>
I am not about to get into the intricacies of capsuloligamentous injuries and repairs of the knee in the common person vs the athlete...but I will tell you that an athlete should have it done sooner than the an average joe. Fact is, I would stake my education that Tiger ignored the advice he was given...and in time, feel that will prove to be a mistake.
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