nafoom scoop - Chris Strong out at Ole Miss
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Im completely shocked by that(sarcasm). I had a coach in Senatobia, who is a huge Ole Miss fan, tell me that Strong had no chance to qualify, much less stay in school because he had been taking special ed classes since he was 12. I guess if Orgeron was still there, they would send him back down to Genesis One in Mendenhall to take basket weaving pt. 2.
I have a feeling the hits are going to keep coming on this front for us. I'm optimistically hoping we only lose 5-7 players due to grades.
I have a really bad feeling it could be worse. Strong is definitely not a surprise. However, he was one of those recruits that the gurus get excited about, and that's all that really matters right?
It's really funny when you think about it that Chris Strong was a sophomore during Powe's senior season in high school, and he signed with us and played his entire career with Ole Miss before Powe has managed to see the field.
If you're interested, Beatdown did a run down of what the heart of our 2008 signing class looked like in November of 2007 when Orgeron was fired. It's really scary to think what would've happened with all the grade risks that we had making up the bulk of our class.
I have a really bad feeling it could be worse. Strong is definitely not a surprise. However, he was one of those recruits that the gurus get excited about, and that's all that really matters right?
It's really funny when you think about it that Chris Strong was a sophomore during Powe's senior season in high school, and he signed with us and played his entire career with Ole Miss before Powe has managed to see the field.
If you're interested, Beatdown did a run down of what the heart of our 2008 signing class looked like in November of 2007 when Orgeron was fired. It's really scary to think what would've happened with all the grade risks that we had making up the bulk of our class.
RebelBruiser said:
...but not surprising, since you had something like 20 or so who weren't qualified at the end of the fall semester. I am not sure of the number, but I am sure you probably can clue us in with an accurate number. It appeared to many of us that Orgeron's tactic was to offer all the 4 and 5 star players in the country, and, as a result, you got a lot of "stars" who never made it to campus. What impresses me about Nutt is that I am not hearing near as many allegations such as those I heard the last few years about recruiting improprieties. It looks like Nutt is trying to clean up your program. I hope it's true.
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Bulldog Backer said:
</p>I don't. Pillowgate and the whole O era was hilarious from his first meeting with the team when he ripped his shirt off to the coup de grace on 4th down that only Dave Neal appeared to agree was the right call (That should be a red flag right there) and subsequent Egg Bowl melt down. My personal favorite moment was an alumni meeting here in Jackson where he had their boosters, who were all wearing business suits and dresses with high heels, standing on chairs and whooping and hollering. Very dignified indeed.
Plus, I have no sympathy for Ole Miss after the all out smear campaign to give us the death penalty they did circa 2001-2003.
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Totally legal for an individual to donate to a Prep School. Though I guess it's possible someone wants their money back from Hargrave on Johnson too.
rebel law said:
most of us knew that they weren't getting in school anyway no matter how many strippers, money bags, and Hummers they were given, so it didn't really matter if that was going on or not. (For clarification- I have not heard of any "improprieities" personally)</p>
just yet. And he is responsible for one of the most exciting plays in the past 8 years of Mississippi State football so the ROI has been great.
I love it Backer. If we were really cheating under Orgeron (which I don't think we were any more than anyone else to be sure), don't you think we'd have done better in recruiting? Go back and tell me how many guys we legitimately beat the big time programs to get. Other than a handful in 2006, there really aren't that many. And the majority of the big recruiting coups we did manage to land were guys that were borderline on grades and therefore weren't top priorities for teams like LSU, USC, Florida, etc.
For that matter, I'll do it for you. Here is a list of the 4 and 5 star guys we landed under Orgeron:
2005:
Michael Oher - beat Tennessee primarily, was a big grade risk, primarily signed with us due to living with an Ole Miss family
Jerrell Powe - beat out Auburn and LSU, though they both were shooting him straight about being a sign and place, while Orgeron convinced him he could get him in school sooner
2006:
Brent Schaeffer - Juco - beat out NC State and Wisconsin - probably one of the only big coups of the Orgeron era, though he did end up with grade issues
Cordera Eason - beat out Auburn - from Mississippi and actually had his grades
Jonathon Cornell - beat out some west coast schools including apparently USC - had grade issues and barely made it to campus
Kentrell Lockett - beat out Alabama - was a definite grade risk, barely made it to school
Allen Walker - beat out Florida - was borderline on grades and made it in with a late jump in his ACT score
John Jerry - had been a sign and place at Hargrave from the previous class
Aubrey McPhadden - Juco - really had no other offers due to grades, didn't make it
Terry Levy - had no other major offers due to grades, didn't make it
Jerrell Powe - no comment needed
2007:
Rod Davis - got attention from other schools, but didn't have his grades, never made it to campus
Ashlee Palmer - Juco - never really had any competition for him
Tony Fein - Juco - beat out Michigan State - had his grades, was overrated as a 4 star
Lionel Breaux - beat out LSU, Alabama, and Nebraska - actually had his grades fairly well in order
AJ Jackson - Juco - claimed other offers but had really bad grade issues, never made it
Ted Laurent - had other offers, had grade issues and just barely made it
Chris Strong - had offers, but obviously didn't have his grades in order, took a miracle to get him in
That's 3 players rated at 4 stars or better in 2007 that had no real grade issues, two of which were Jucos. You could argue that maybe 2 or 3 of our 2006 4 or 5 star players were in decent standing with grades. And obviously both of our 5 star guys in 2005 were big grade risks.
In reality, almost all of the big names we signed under Orgeron were either not that high on the board for the big programs, or they had grade risks that bumped them down in priority for the big name schools.
Don't you think that if we were buying Hummers, we'd have been able to steal some actual recruits that the big schools wanted?
For that matter, I'll do it for you. Here is a list of the 4 and 5 star guys we landed under Orgeron:
2005:
Michael Oher - beat Tennessee primarily, was a big grade risk, primarily signed with us due to living with an Ole Miss family
Jerrell Powe - beat out Auburn and LSU, though they both were shooting him straight about being a sign and place, while Orgeron convinced him he could get him in school sooner
2006:
Brent Schaeffer - Juco - beat out NC State and Wisconsin - probably one of the only big coups of the Orgeron era, though he did end up with grade issues
Cordera Eason - beat out Auburn - from Mississippi and actually had his grades
Jonathon Cornell - beat out some west coast schools including apparently USC - had grade issues and barely made it to campus
Kentrell Lockett - beat out Alabama - was a definite grade risk, barely made it to school
Allen Walker - beat out Florida - was borderline on grades and made it in with a late jump in his ACT score
John Jerry - had been a sign and place at Hargrave from the previous class
Aubrey McPhadden - Juco - really had no other offers due to grades, didn't make it
Terry Levy - had no other major offers due to grades, didn't make it
Jerrell Powe - no comment needed
2007:
Rod Davis - got attention from other schools, but didn't have his grades, never made it to campus
Ashlee Palmer - Juco - never really had any competition for him
Tony Fein - Juco - beat out Michigan State - had his grades, was overrated as a 4 star
Lionel Breaux - beat out LSU, Alabama, and Nebraska - actually had his grades fairly well in order
AJ Jackson - Juco - claimed other offers but had really bad grade issues, never made it
Ted Laurent - had other offers, had grade issues and just barely made it
Chris Strong - had offers, but obviously didn't have his grades in order, took a miracle to get him in
That's 3 players rated at 4 stars or better in 2007 that had no real grade issues, two of which were Jucos. You could argue that maybe 2 or 3 of our 2006 4 or 5 star players were in decent standing with grades. And obviously both of our 5 star guys in 2005 were big grade risks.
In reality, almost all of the big names we signed under Orgeron were either not that high on the board for the big programs, or they had grade risks that bumped them down in priority for the big name schools.
Don't you think that if we were buying Hummers, we'd have been able to steal some actual recruits that the big schools wanted?
And if we were buying recruits, how does Backer explain the defections of Lamarcus Williams & Robert Elliot?
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If he wasn't involved anymore than claimed, I think it's good he'll get the chance to RS. Seemed stupid to quit school with a month to go to me.
As for Brown and Wesley, I think they crossed the gray line and shouldn't be allowed back. In fact, I think the judge should have made it a requirement in their sentencing that they are not allowed on campus during their probationary period.
Hopefully they can go somewhere like Jacksonville State or JSU and still have a shot at a football career.
As for Devine, he's never been charged with a crime in Starkville. I don't think 'staring someone down' is a criminal offense, though I'm not sure he's totally innocent either.
As for Brown and Wesley, I think they crossed the gray line and shouldn't be allowed back. In fact, I think the judge should have made it a requirement in their sentencing that they are not allowed on campus during their probationary period.
Hopefully they can go somewhere like Jacksonville State or JSU and still have a shot at a football career.
As for Devine, he's never been charged with a crime in Starkville. I don't think 'staring someone down' is a criminal offense, though I'm not sure he's totally innocent either.
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Ole Miss Grad
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Who knows. Maybe they pulled a gun on him before and he was just letting them know he was packing this time. Maybe there is an ongoing feud between them. Maybe he was loading his gun to keep them from stealing his 24s.
I seriously doubt this guy was 'staring them down' for no reason. Obviously at some point they've pissed him off. We can only speculate as to the reason.
I just find it ironic that everyone makes him out to be the big thug drug pushing gang-banger and he's never been charged with a crime.....yet the 'innocent victims' have been charged-----and found guilty. SPD is famous for harrassing known thugs. Considering he drives a car like he does, I'm sure they've seen him.....yet as said, he's never been charged with a crime.
I seriously doubt this guy was 'staring them down' for no reason. Obviously at some point they've pissed him off. We can only speculate as to the reason.
I just find it ironic that everyone makes him out to be the big thug drug pushing gang-banger and he's never been charged with a crime.....yet the 'innocent victims' have been charged-----and found guilty. SPD is famous for harrassing known thugs. Considering he drives a car like he does, I'm sure they've seen him.....yet as said, he's never been charged with a crime.
now the greater recruiter O is being thrown under the bus as the Rebel faithful ready their quiver of excuses in time for the 2008 football season. Which one of the Rebel lurkers said immediately after last season that UM could have won more games if they had a better coach because the talent was there?
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JR
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If you are not as dumb as your usual criminal......you might be able to avoid becoming someones love interest behind bars.
There fixed, because if you are smart you are not a criminal. Its too easy to make a living in this country for smart people without worrying about picking up your next bar of soap in the shower.
BUT they DO worry about having the business end of a 9MM put in thier mouth as an accepted form of buisness dipute resolution.
there I thought I would fix that one too while I was at it.
captaindawg said:
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I definitely think we have enough talent to win 6 games this fall, and we could've won 6 last year. All you have to do is be just less than mediocre to win 6 games. Just ask Alabama and South Carolina. They were just less than mediocre last year and managed 6 wins.
I do think Orgeron did a good job of improving our talent. All I was saying is that he wasn't beating out the big boys for a bunch of blue chippers that were high on their priority list. Hence I think the cheating accusations are a little far fetched.
We're still going to have depth issues this fall, but we should have enough talent to not completely suck. And again, I think we had enough last year to not completely suck. We just didn't have a coaching staff that knew how to use it or how to get them ready for a game. Holding a 55 play full speed scrimmage the night before a game is not a way to get a team ready. Running your team the day before a game is not a way to get a team ready for that game. And that's not even getting into the fact that our staff was misusing our players. Trying to make Brent Schaeffer a pro style QB, throwing a deep ball ever to Marshay Green or Dexter McCluster, putting a 280 pound freshman that doesn't know the plays at MLB to start the season, and many other instances showed they didn't know how to use what they had.
They had enough players to be halfway decent last year. They just failed to teach technique and failed to know how to gameplan or prepare a team mentally and physically for a game.
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Goat Holder
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...and it's complete horseshit. Alabama and Carolina were, at one time, contenders for the respective divisions. They were pretty good teams. And you can't just cakewalk to 6 wins like you say. You have to win the games. You're completely taking out things like a big-game hangovers, injuries, not getting fired up for easy games, frustration, etc. If you are less than mediocre, you are not going to win 6 games in the SEC, sorry to break it to you.
on their cars back in the summer of 2005 feel now. Some of us saw bad things coming when that guy was hired. If his resume wasn't enough to throw up a red flag then having fans get in 3 point stances during alumni pow wows that spring and summer should have been.
I'm really going to miss Orgeron. He gave me a lot of good laughs during his short tenure.
I'm really going to miss Orgeron. He gave me a lot of good laughs during his short tenure.
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Goat Holder
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You don't have to win 6 SEC games. I'm talking 6 games total, which likely only requires you to win 2 or 3 conference games. You can get to 6 wins without beating a truly good team.
Freaking Indiana won 6 games this past year. It's really not that hard.
All you have to do is look at the SEC this past year. There were only two teams that didn't win 6 games. When 10 of 12 teams can do it in one year, it shows that it's not all that hard. Unless you schedule a tough OOC schedule, which most SEC teams don't, you can win 6 games without even having to go .500 in SEC play.
All I'm saying is that I think our issues this past year had more to do with the way our coaches handled the team than they had to do with talent, and I also think we have enough talent to beat Memphis, Samford, ULM, Vandy, and a couple other games, as long as we aren't running 50+ play scrimmages the night before a game.
Freaking Indiana won 6 games this past year. It's really not that hard.
All you have to do is look at the SEC this past year. There were only two teams that didn't win 6 games. When 10 of 12 teams can do it in one year, it shows that it's not all that hard. Unless you schedule a tough OOC schedule, which most SEC teams don't, you can win 6 games without even having to go .500 in SEC play.
All I'm saying is that I think our issues this past year had more to do with the way our coaches handled the team than they had to do with talent, and I also think we have enough talent to beat Memphis, Samford, ULM, Vandy, and a couple other games, as long as we aren't running 50+ play scrimmages the night before a game.
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