NCAA Panel: Drop Marijuana From Banned Drug List

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An NCAA panel wants to remove marijuana from the organization's list of banned drugs, suggesting that testing should be limited to performance-enhancing substances.
 
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I kind of agree. Even in areas where pot is illegal, you’re not really punished for possession. Nobody is getting locked up for having a couple of blunts or a dime. You’re not even getting a ticket. It gets confiscated and you’re on your way. So it’s kind of hard to justify a punishment for something the legal system has determined not worth punishing.
 

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I kind of agree. Even in areas where pot is illegal, you’re not really punished for possession. Nobody is getting locked up for having a couple of blunts or a dime. You’re not even getting a ticket. It gets confiscated and you’re on your way. So it’s kind of hard to justify a punishment for something the legal system has determined not worth punishing.
Off season/private life is one thing - game time is a different story, that's where professional athletes should be professional!
 
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It should absolutely be removed. The NCAA should be legislating competition, not morality.
 

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I can see this rule now. You must burn one at least 2 hours before the game starts and no burning one after game has started. Anyone that breaks this rule will have their pot taking from them for 48 hours and then returned.
 

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Who wants a stoned pitcher throwing 100mph fast balls at their head?

It's not ideal for sure, however, 99% players aren't showing up drunk, or stoned, or coked up to games. They do that in their off-time. It's not the NCAA's job to legislate against players using something that's now legal in half the country. It's meaningless to their games.
 

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It's not ideal for sure, however, 99% players aren't showing up drunk, or stoned, or coked up to games. They do that in their off-time. It's not the NCAA's job to legislate against players using something that's now legal in half the country. It's meaningless to their games.
No test - no knowledge. Taking their word for it or just an assumption?
Testing is a deterrent if there is a penalty involved!
 

ToddFlanders

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No test - no knowledge. Taking their word for it or just an assumption?
Testing is a deterrent if there is a penalty involved!

They aren't testing before games like the Olympics. They just test and can tell if you've done it in the last 30 days. Regardless, if a player wants to show up stoned, that's on the coach to decide if his player keeps his scholarship. And if the coach can't tell and is happy with the play that they see, then who cares if the kid happened to be stoned?
 

Prestonyte

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They aren't testing before games like the Olympics. They just test and can tell if you've done it in the last 30 days. Regardless, if a player wants to show up stoned, that's on the coach to decide if his player keeps his scholarship. And if the coach can't tell and is happy with the play that they see, then who cares if the kid happened to be stoned?
Does this also apply to your heart surgeon?
 

Prestonyte

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Can my heart surgeon smoke in his off time? Absolutely. Can he do his job stoned? Ask his employer and his employer's attorneys (and his malpractice insurance company).
If he gets fired or sued, that doesn't help you if he makes a deadly mistake. So, how do you know if he's stoned during surgery or not?
 

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True, I mean look at all the drunk pitchers throwing 100mph at players' heads now...
 

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If he gets fired or sued, that doesn't help you if he makes a deadly mistake. So, how do you know if he's stoned during surgery or not?

I’m not sure the analogy fits at all. A college kid playing baseball vs. a heart surgeon? There’s a reason there’s no such thing as baseball malpractice insurance (or we would have already cashed in on Holbrook’s policy).
 

Prestonyte

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I’m not sure the analogy fits at all. A college kid playing baseball vs. a heart surgeon? There’s a reason there’s no such thing as baseball malpractice insurance (or we would have already cashed in on Holbrook’s policy).
With NIL, both are professionals being paid for their services and I don't think it's a lot to ask for them to be "clean" when performing those services. If testing is the way to ensure that, then that's what needs to be done. Private life with no impact on their professional life, I have no problem with it.
 

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With NIL, both are professionals being paid for their services and I don't think it's a lot to ask for them to be "clean" when performing those services. If testing is the way to ensure that, then that's what needs to be done. Private life with no impact on their professional life, I have no problem with it.

Well sure. Literally anyone that gets paid is a “professional” - and I don’t know too many employers that are cool with their employees coming to work stoned.

Unless of course you can throw a No-hitter on LSD!

https://www.si.com/.amp/mlb/2017/06/12/dock-ellis-acid-no-hitter-pittsburgh-pirates-anniversary
 

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It should absolutely be removed. The NCAA should be legislating competition, not morality.

Not morality?

in trying to make the youth of today better, holding them accountable to their actions, giving them goals, respecting their elders and just other people in general. Having speakers come in trying to make them better students and people

Morality need not apply

After college no company is going hold their employees accountable or have certain expectations. In the future as a parent, why in the world would they want to give any guidance or rules. Because…..

College taught them Morality need not apply

The stories that ESPN plays year after year about the single mom, crime, drugs and no father effected this player

Is all because, Morality need not apply

It’s a circle ⭕️, if morality doesn’t matter now, then when should it matter?

Smoke ‘em if you got ‘em 👍🏼
 

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Not morality?

in trying to make the youth of today better, holding them accountable to their actions, giving them goals, respecting their elders and just other people in general. Having speakers come in trying to make them better students and people

Morality need not apply

After college no company is going hold their employees accountable or have certain expectations. In the future as a parent, why in the world would they want to give any guidance or rules. Because…..

College taught them Morality need not apply

The stories that ESPN plays year after year about the single mom, crime, drugs and no father effected this player

Is all because, Morality need not apply

It’s a circle ⭕️, if morality doesn’t matter now, then when should it matter?

Smoke ‘em if you got ‘em 👍🏼

The NCAA isn’t a law enforcement agency - it exists for the purpose of running college sports. Whether or not a player uses a non-performance-enhancing drug is immaterial to college sports. They aren’t testing athletes that are under 21 for alcohol, why would they test for weed?

Perhaps the “morality” phrasing was a little off as whether or not someone smokes weed isn’t a question of morality. Either way, it’s not the business of the NCAA - as in, it’s not the business they engage in (which is running college sports, not law enforcement).
 

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NCAA isn’t a law enforcement agency - correct
However, they do have rules, guidelines , run investigations and implement findings and punishments

Colleges have the same

We have all seen the ramifications of an institution’s unwillingness to implement the rules they say need to be followed

NCAA - UNC allowed to handout fake degrees for well over a decade

College Level - UF allows a drug test failed player to play against us in 2006. His blocked FG’s helped win the game and keep title hopes alive. A few years later more stories came out

Our own with Holtz looking the other way with players

There are always rules no matter the level, it just depends on if you are willing to enforce them
 

ToddFlanders

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NCAA isn’t a law enforcement agency - correct
However, they do have rules, guidelines , run investigations and implement findings and punishments

Colleges have the same

We have all seen the ramifications of an institution’s unwillingness to implement the rules they say need to be followed

NCAA - UNC allowed to handout fake degrees for well over a decade

College Level - UF allows a drug test failed player to play against us in 2006. His blocked FG’s helped win the game and keep title hopes alive. A few years later more stories came out

Our own with Holtz looking the other way with players

There are always rules no matter the level, it just depends on if you are willing to enforce them

There are always rules, true. However, when rules are determined to be pointless, or inappropriate (as it is here) - the rules get changed.

These drug tests should have never existed in the first place.
 

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Yes that Florida incident was total B.S. We win if Urban had any degree of morality. I am not in favor of listing the ban. So if someone has a bad game and tests + THC, coaches and fans won`t know if he/she just had a bad game or if it was because they lit up a doobie. It that`s ok, why not a little powder up your nose or a hit off of a crackpipe? That might help your adrenaline, Steroids, Adderall - why not with that kind of logic.
 

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Yes that Florida incident was total B.S. We win if Urban had any degree of morality. I am not in favor of listing the ban. So if someone has a bad game and tests + THC, coaches and fans won`t know if he/she just had a bad game or if it was because they lit up a doobie. It that`s ok, why not a little powder up your nose or a hit off of a crackpipe? That might help your adrenaline, Steroids, Adderall - why not with that kind of logic.


Because last I checked those are illegal and MJ is legal in half the country. It won’t be long before it’s country wide.
 

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There are always rules, true. However, when rules are determined to be pointless, or inappropriate (as it is here) - the rules get changed.

These drug tests should have never existed in the first place.
Deserves to be said twice.