NET rankings / remaining schedule as of 2/5/2023

[pseudonym]

RANK	SCHOOL	RECORD	ROAD	NEUTRAL	HOME	QUAD 1	QUAD 2	QUAD 3	QUAD 4
29	Arkansas	16-7	1-5	3-1	12-1	1-5	4-1	6-1	5-0
31	Kentucky	16-7	3-3	1-2	12-2	1-6	6-0	3-0	6-1
40	Texas A&M	16-7	4-3	1-3	11-1	2-4	2-1	4-1	8-1
46	Mississippi St.	15-8	2-4	4-1	9-3	2-5	3-3	2-0	8-0
48	Missouri	17-6	2-4	2-0	13-2	3-6	4-0	3-0	7-0
107	Vanderbilt	11-12	2-5	1-2	8-5	1-7	3-4	2-0	5-1
124	Ole Miss	9-14	1-6	2-1	6-7	1-7	0-5	3-1	5-1
138	LSU	12-11	0-5	3-1	9-5	1-9	2-2	0-0	9-0
276	South Carolina	8-15	2-5	0-4	6-6	1-5	1-5	1-4	5-1

OPPONENT	QUAD
LSU	3
@ Arkansas	1
Kentucky	2
@ Ole Miss	2
@ Missouri	1
Texas A&M	2
South Carolina	4
@ Vanderbilt	2

 

[DoggieDaddy13]

When you put it this way, we do look more impressive. I thought a couple of our Quad 2 losses might become Quad 3s. Has that not happened yet?
Getting a win in either Ark or MO would be a nice addition to the resume.

 

[pseudonym]

When you put it this way, we do look more impressive. I thought a couple of our Quad 2 losses might become Quad 3s. Has that not happened yet?
Getting a win in either Ark or MO would be a nice addition to the resume.

To avoid Quad 3 loss:

• Drake (neutral site loss) must stay in the top 100. Currently 83.
• Georgia (road loss) must stay in the top 135. Currently 126.
• Florida (home loss) must stay in the top 75. Currently 43.

 

[Brokerdawg]

The UGA game might be the one we cringe at down the stretch.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

The conference standings are what's killing us.

I wouldn't even consider State unless we're maybe one game below .500 in SEC play.

#NITbound

 

[DoggieDaddy13]

The conference standings are what's killing us.

I wouldn't even consider State unless we're maybe one game below .500 in SEC play.

#NITbound

I would agree with this and be happy about it, honestly. But if the bulk of those SEC losses are in Quad One and we end up ahead in Quad 2, that would seem make us a strong bubble team.

 

[Mr. Cook]

The UGA game might be the one we cringe at down the stretch.

 

[MSUDC11-2.0]

For the here and now, gotta beat LSU and then just see what happens against Arkansas and UK. Would take a split of those two all day long.

 

[curseddawgs]

Hopefully the Arizona State baseball game on 2/25 is later. We need 10k in the Hump that day when we play A&M

 

[Cantdoitsal]

The conference standings are what's killing us.

I wouldn't even consider State unless we're maybe one game below .500 in SEC play.

#NITbound

17 this. We are new team as of NOW. And 17 NIT. We're playin' like Dancers Now.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

17 this. We are new team as of NOW. And 17 NIT. We're playin' like Dancers Now.

46th ranked is WAY too low. 3 - 7 is WAY too low.

Arkansas is Last Four Byes and they're #29

Kentucky is Last Four In. And they're 31.

aTm & Florida are First Four Out & they're 41 & 43.

Men's Bracketology: We will ask again for the 25th time ... is this the Big Ten's season?

Nine Big Ten members are listed in our latest bracket, and every one of the First Four Out group -- Nebraska, Maryland, Wisconsin and USC -- are Big Ten members.

www.espn.com

#NITNITNIT

#threewinsisallisee

 

[Seinfeld]

17 this. We are new team as of NOW. And 17 NIT. We're playin' like Dancers Now.

And the weird thing about this team is that while I don't have much faith in them making a deep run in any postseason tournament, I absolutely think they're a team that could upset a couple big names in a given weekend. It would be beyond my wildest dreams for them to make it to the dance, knock off a couple perennial powers, and then miraculously find themselves in a sweet 16.

 

[Cantdoitsal]

46th ranked is WAY too low. 3 - 7 is WAY too low.

Arkansas is Last Four Byes and they're #29

Kentucky is Last Four In. And they're 31.

aTm & Florida are First Four Out & they're 41 & 43.

Men's Bracketology: We will ask again for the 25th time ... is this the Big Ten's season?

Nine Big Ten members are listed in our latest bracket, and every one of the First Four Out group -- Nebraska, Maryland, Wisconsin and USC -- are Big Ten members.

www.espn.com

#NITNITNIT

#threewinsisallisee

As of TODAY, NOT Tomorrow

 

[Cantdoitsal]

And the weird thing about this team is that while I don't have much faith in them making a deep run in any postseason tournament, I absolutely think they're a team that could upset a couple big names in a given weekend. It would be beyond my wildest dreams for them to make it to the dance, knock off a couple perennial powers, and then miraculously find themselves in a sweet 16.

We are playing like Dancers now. Can we continue and improve?

 

[Maroon Eagle]

As of TODAY, NOT Tomorrow

My point exactly.

They're not in.

Too many schools ahead.

Ask again in two weeks though.

 

[BoDawg.sixpack]

Just beat LSU first and then regroup. I've been waiting awhile to beat a KY team. Hopefully this will be the year.

 

[Seinfeld]

We are playing like Dancers now. Can we continue and improve?

I like to think so. We play with all the energy and defensive intensity that anyone could ask for, and to me that's oftentimes the hardest part. Knowing that we don't have a ton of shooters on our team, my question would be can we continue to learn how to still get high percentage shots in spite of that? Ball movement to free up Tolu, getting to the basket, and drawing fouls are all better opportunities for a team like ours than launching 3s, and the last few games are making me think that we just may be starting to figure that out.

 

[MSUDC11-2.0]

Hopefully the Arizona State baseball game on 2/25 is later. We need 10k in the Hump that day when we play A&M

Our previous AD would have scheduled it at the same time and told people to go to baseball.

Beyond that, I hope we take a good crowd to The Pavilion in Oxford next Saturday more than I hope we have a full house for baseball against the Virginia Military Institute.

 

[Cantdoitsal]

RANK	SCHOOL	RECORD	ROAD	NEUTRAL	HOME	QUAD 1	QUAD 2	QUAD 3	QUAD 4
29	Arkansas	16-7	1-5	3-1	12-1	1-5	4-1	6-1	5-0
31	Kentucky	16-7	3-3	1-2	12-2	1-6	6-0	3-0	6-1
40	Texas A&M	16-7	4-3	1-3	11-1	2-4	2-1	4-1	8-1
46	Mississippi St.	15-8	2-4	4-1	9-3	2-5	3-3	2-0	8-0
48	Missouri	17-6	2-4	2-0	13-2	3-6	4-0	3-0	7-0
107	Vanderbilt	11-12	2-5	1-2	8-5	1-7	3-4	2-0	5-1
124	Ole Miss	9-14	1-6	2-1	6-7	1-7	0-5	3-1	5-1
138	LSU	12-11	0-5	3-1	9-5	1-9	2-2	0-0	9-0
276	South Carolina	8-15	2-5	0-4	6-6	1-5	1-5	1-4	5-1

OPPONENT	QUAD
LSU	3
@ Arkansas	1
Kentucky	2
@ Ole Miss	2
@ Missouri	1
Texas A&M	2
South Carolina	4
@ Vanderbilt	2

Solid Post; Thanks for this.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

46th ranked is WAY too low. 3 - 7 is WAY too low.

Arkansas is Last Four Byes and they're #29

Kentucky is Last Four In. And they're 31.

aTm & Florida are First Four Out & they're 41 & 43.

Men's Bracketology: We will ask again for the 25th time ... is this the Big Ten's season?

Nine Big Ten members are listed in our latest bracket, and every one of the First Four Out group -- Nebraska, Maryland, Wisconsin and USC -- are Big Ten members.

www.espn.com

#NITNITNIT

#threewinsisallisee

I feel like we are all way too focused on the NET, but NET is not the only metric the committee uses. It's an important one for sure since it is their homegrown ranking, but KenPom, KPI, BPI, Sagarin, and Strength of Record are all in there too. But NET is easy to obtain and makes us all feel like we are part of the committee, so we gravitate to it. That being said...

On Selection Sunday last year, the last four at-large non-byes were NET ranked 34, 41, 49 and 62. Average 46.5.
The last four in (play-in games) were 38, 50, 53 and 77. Average 54.5
The first four out were 39, 43, 45, and 58. Average 46.25.

Look at which group had the best average NET ranking. So 46 is not way too low. (For 2021, those averages were 38.5, 58.25 and 50.75.)

Conference records and standing are not criteria for the committee. I can't imagine they aren't aware of where a team finishes in its league, but officially speaking it's not a factor. I would agree that a winning % of .300 in the conference won't get you in. If you take that out to 18 games, that would be 5-13ish. At that point you've taken so many losses the committee isn't even thinking about you. I think any discussion about us as a bubble team assumes at least 5-3 in the last eight games.

You know what does matter though? The non-conference schedule and performance. Performance was fine, going 12-1 with two great wins over Marquette and TCU. But our non-conference SOS is at 221 as of today. Only nine teams ranked ahead of us in the NET have a worse non-conf SOS and two of those are not power conference teams. Arkansas is last four bye and a NET of 29, but with a non-conference SOS of 108. Kentucky is last four in and a NET of 31, but with a non-conference SOS of 85. Yes, we played Marquette and TCU but everyone has some Q1 games on their schedule. We have seven non-conference games ranked in Q4. The only teams ranked ahead of us in the NET with more Q4 non-conference games are Texas A&M and TCU. This metric is the price you pay when you schedule three SWAC teams in an attempt to stack up wins. We probably needed to do that with a new coach and a lot of roster turnover, but we're paying for it now.

 

[BoDawg.sixpack]

If we can just hit +25% three pointers and +70% free throws we're going to be hell. Not kinda tough or sorta difficult... we'll be HELL. That's not a big stretch to think we can accomplish this.

 

[Perd Hapley]

What is the highest NET ranked team to be left out? I saw where NC State got left out a few years ago with a ranking of 33, but couldn’t find if anyone else higher had been left out.

I know our 2001 team held the distinction for a long time of being the highest RPI team to ever be left out. Believe it was somewhere in the high 20’s / low 30’s.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

What is the highest NET ranked team to be left out? I saw where NC State got left out a few years ago with a ranking of 33, but couldn’t find if anyone else higher had been left out.

I know our 2001 team held the distinction for a long time of being the highest RPI team to ever be left out. Believe it was somewhere in the high 20’s / low 30’s.

NET started in 2019. I think you are right that it is NC State that year. There was no tournament in 2020. Looks like St Louis in 2021 at 43 but that whole year was screwy with so many games missed due to COVID. Last year was Oklahoma at 39. 18-15 overall, 7-11 in the BIG 12 plus 1-1 in the B12T, non-conference SOS 153, 10-14 in the first two quadrants, 8-1 in Q3/Q4.

 

[pseudonym]

There are 32 automatic bids and 36 at-large bids. Generally speaking, NET 37-68 are bubble teams.

In my opinion, if you have a metric like NET, you should use it. I would make it a rule that the top 36 can’t be left out. If that doesn’t work, the metric needs to be fixed or done away with.

For the most part, the top 36 teams are not left out, and teams outside 68 don’t make the tournament. But it should never be that #33 NC State is left out and #73 St. John’s is included (2019).

 

[hatfieldms]

My point exactly.

They're not in.

Too many schools ahead.

Ask again in two weeks though.

Nobody is saying we are in today. They are saying we are playing our way into the discussion.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Nobody is saying we are in today. They are saying we are playing our way into the discussion.

 

[Perd Hapley]

There are 32 automatic bids and 36 at-large bids. Generally speaking, NET 37-68 are bubble teams.

While technically true, there’s really more like 20 auto bids that go to teams that wouldn’t have a prayer if they didn’t win their conference tournament. Around 12 or so teams each year (give or take) end up with auto bids but would have gotten at-large bids anyway. So really, you have between 45-50 teams in that at-large consideration that could conceivably get in one way or another. You finish in that Top 50, you have a shot at making it if you don’t give the committee an excuse to leave you out. The higher you finish, the more compelling that excuse has to be.

 

[FlotownDawg]

The committee doesn’t use conference record or standings because conference schedules are so imbalanced. Look at us at 3-7 while Vandy is at 4-6. Everybody with a brain would say we are better than Vandy but we’ve had a much tougher conference schedule. Texas A&M is 8-2 but their conference schedule has been relatively easy, save for a good road win at Auburn.