Never kick a gift horse in the mouth

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GOPdog

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Maybe I'm missing your brutally heavy sarcasm, but I don't think so.

I'm neutral on Doc, but Thad Cochran gets 99.999% of the credit for pushing this money to MSU, not Doc. It's early and I haven't had any coffee so if your comment was made tongue in cheek, I couldn't tell.
 

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read the article closer... it reads as if we're being attacked for being awarded so much??

With earmarks being under attack lately we had better produce. I think we can and have already.
 

NutherT

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Please explain to us in detail what Doc had to do with pulling in any of this funding. I promise you, he had nothing to do with this. It's all Thad Cochran. Cochran has been pushing dollars to MSU long before Doc, and he will continue to do so long after Doc.

If anyone is to thank for this it's Mark Keenum. He helped Sen. Cochran start this trend.
 

NutherT

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Why are Ole Miss, Southern, and JSU all in the national top 25 as well? Was Doc's presence in the state enough to lure money to those institutions too?
 

Ivehadbetter

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of a lobbyist working for MSU. The guy works harder than any other IHL lobbyist and it shows in our appropriations.
 

seshomoru

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But I guess kicking a gift horse would be even ruder than looking it in the mouth.
 

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A few years back, I came to the realization that gov't waste is inevitable no matter how hard everyone complains and no matter how much "oversight" is instituted. So we might as well get Thad to kick back some $$$ to the Magnolia State.

For the life of me, I can't get it through my head how someone that lives in this country and pays taxes would want our government to control his or her health care, or anything for that matter with all the money that just disappears in the system.
 
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For the life of me, I can't get it through my head how someone that lives in this country and pays taxes would want our government to control his or her health care, or anything for that matter with all the money that just disappears in the system.

You are correct. The US can spend more money on bullcrap than any country. This welfare plan disguised as a tax stimulus rebate (it is welfare) is exhibit A.</p>
 

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I can't get it through my head how someone that lives in this country and pays taxes would want our government to control his or her health care, or anything for that matter with all the money that just disappears in the system.
I believe that the vast majority of those that actually PAY taxes don't want socialized anything. It's all the folks that don't pay taxes that want this crap. Bottomline: It is too easy not to work and not pay taxes so that segment is growing rapidly. They also vote to ensure their way of life.

I know I didn't tell you anything you didn't already know... I'm just saying.
 
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Bottomline: It is too easy not to work and not pay taxes so that segment is growing rapidly. They also vote to ensure their way of life.

That is one of the most accurate statements you will ever see on any message board.</p>
 

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from the federal government I believe. They benefit from socialist practices more than any state. Welfare, check. Farm subsidies, check. It goes on.
 

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You think Medicaid is in the whole now?.. Imagine if we didn't get the 3 to 1 match from the Feds.(the best in the nation) We'd be in a world of hurt.

Editted to add: I have a problem with that too. The federal gov't rewards people for doing a bad job by increasing our match. What the hell is that? Why should anyone do better when our federal match will go down? .... Morons.
 

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But the truth is this: The federal government is going to spend this research money whether it comes to Mississippi or not. Some criticize Congress for directing portions of it to particular projects rather than allowing it to go through "competitive" processes within the bureaucracy of the executive branch.

In these "competitive" processes, at the end of the day a human being with biases is making the decision on where to send the money. You're an idiot if you think MSU gets a fair shake in these "competitions." In academia, like anywhere else, the haves continually give reach-arounds to each other while universities with "Mississippi" in their names are laughed at no matter how good or efficient their research is. Thanks be to Thad Cochran for understanding this and having the balls to tell the bureaucrats to suck it. If you don't think the congressional earmark process is competitive, you have to consider that probably less than 5% of earmark requests by congressmen ever actually get funding.

Not only that, but Mississippi leverages its federal funding to create jobs. CAVS at MSU helped bring in Nissan and Toyota, period. Do you think that research at MIT or Johns Hopkins is being leveraged to that degree? Where is there a greater impact. Which university values their federal dollars more? Where are those federal dollars used not only to solve federal problems, but also to create good paying jobs in a state that doesn't have them? People from all 82 mississippi counties have come to work at Nissan. That tells you how desperate Mississippians are for job stability, health insurance, retirement, etc.

So New York Times, Clarion-Ledger. Shove your "pork-barrell" stories up your ***. The Constitution gives Congress control of the federal purse. Congress understands the needs of the people who elect them. Career cubicle-bound bureaucrats in anywhere Maryland do not. This is the most over-politicized issue of our time.</p>
 

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We better not elect this guy or we are all screwed...
Better start saving for those higher taxes...
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">NutherT is right on on this issue.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> The issue of earmarks is purely political, and thus is just now starting to get media coverage.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> What blows my mind is that some of you idiots think that MSU just started getting earmarks when Doc arrived.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> MSU has been pulling in major dollars since 2004, and it happened because of a couple of reasons.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> Dr. Lee had the good sense to take all federal priorities and run them through one point of contact for the whole university, and Thad Cochran became the highest ranking republican on the Appropriations Committee.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> Before that each department would call on Washington individually, which only led to confusion as to what MSU's true priorities were.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> Now MSU has one of the best lobbying efforts in Washington, and works with the agencies as well as Congress to bring home many more dollars than you read about in the Clarion Ledger today.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> Doc had NOTHING to do with MSU getting federal dollars, period, end of story.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span></span></p>
 

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NutherT said:
Congress understands the needs of the people who elect them.</p>

That is Comedy Central material there. Yessir, I feel better knowing they understand my needs.</p>
 

NutherT

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I thought I implied:

Congress understands the needs of the people who elect them. (relative to nameless, faceless, unaccountable bureaucrats in the executive branch)
 
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