New basketball committ for 2008...
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a SG with some height. and a postgrad year for him to get more experience without losing collegiate eligibility, can beat that.
...but I find it slightly odd that he is listed as a point guard and not a 2 guard at 6' 5." Bost is also coming in next year, and if Gordon stays, we've got a real logjam at that position, unless somebody moves.
says he can initiate the offense without a problem and would fit well with a smaller SG because he is a pass first player.
apparently his knack in HS was that he didnt have a consistent outside shot(i hear SGs need one). he got most of his points by penetrating and beating his man along the baseline.
apparently he has had to learn to shoot from the outside in prep school because he cant just penetrate against 6'10/11" players all the time.
apparently his knack in HS was that he didnt have a consistent outside shot(i hear SGs need one). he got most of his points by penetrating and beating his man along the baseline.
apparently he has had to learn to shoot from the outside in prep school because he cant just penetrate against 6'10/11" players all the time.
to be listed as a shooting guard and ranked as a point guard. I think the other poster is right. It must mean "Post Grad.".
I've posted here long enough for you to know that I don't intentionally stir the pot. I've spent almost as much time defending Rick as you have, and yet, when I post something that conflicts with your little trenched in world view, you start with personal insults, name-calling, and accusing me of making things up. You're completely naive if you don't think this goes on at Mississippi State, and lots of other places. I would've thought you had a better grasp on reality than that.
And the thing is, you won't argue. You say that NCAA didn't find anything 4 years ago, so we must be squeaky clean, and that's all you've got And when somebody presents a counterargument to you, you just run and hide, and occasionally post these little sniping comments. In no way do I contend that we buy everybody, or even the majority of them. I don't even think we're worse than most other teams out there. I just think we have a problem with handling these guys. Can you understand that? Do you even attempt to understand somebody who has a different viewpoint than yours?
Is it your contention that Mississippi State, under Rick Stansbury, has never done anything illegal or improper to get a recruit? Really. I want to know where you stand on this, instead of you just running and hiding.
And the thing is, you won't argue. You say that NCAA didn't find anything 4 years ago, so we must be squeaky clean, and that's all you've got And when somebody presents a counterargument to you, you just run and hide, and occasionally post these little sniping comments. In no way do I contend that we buy everybody, or even the majority of them. I don't even think we're worse than most other teams out there. I just think we have a problem with handling these guys. Can you understand that? Do you even attempt to understand somebody who has a different viewpoint than yours?
Is it your contention that Mississippi State, under Rick Stansbury, has never done anything illegal or improper to get a recruit? Really. I want to know where you stand on this, instead of you just running and hiding.
I'm going to believe Stansbury does not buy players. I think Stans may sometimes skirt the rules in things like contact or may mislead players about their potential playing time, but I don't think it's a given that he's dirty.
...I mean since we all know that unless something is proven, it is, in fact, false, no matter what rumors, evidence, etc. exists to the contrary.
Maybe one day they'll catch Nicole's real killer, too.
Maybe one day they'll catch Nicole's real killer, too.
...I get tired of your act of acting like anyone who doesn't agree with you is crazy, especially when you can't even defend your own position.
But that's ok, if it makes you feel better at night to think that our basketball program is squeaky clean and that anybody that says otherwise is nuts, go right ahead.
But that's ok, if it makes you feel better at night to think that our basketball program is squeaky clean and that anybody that says otherwise is nuts, go right ahead.
Here's Downtown's quote from last week. His theory about Ervin was already shot to hell by several posters who actually had facts to back up their post.
Now, Downtown says Stans doesn't do anything anyone else doesn't already do. Accusing the coach of being dirty is a pretty major step, and I will not let him get away with throwing that **** out there like it's fact. Again, we underwent a 2-year long anal probe by the NCAA and they found nothing wrong with our basketball program. And it wasn't for a lack of looking, as we all remember. Everyone is concerned and disappointed about the transfers, but he went overboard in his frustration.
who needs to defend his position. I didn't accuse Stansbury of blatantly buying players. I have an NCAA investigation of our entire athletic department as the defense of my position (thanks, Jackie) that lasted 2 years and dug up secondary violations as small as an alum buying a meal at a fast food joint for a softball or soccer player (can't remember which), yet found zilch in men's basketball. Add that to Gottfried demanding we be investigated over Austin's signing, and Stansbury has had his fair share of investigations thrown his way. The main people crying about Stansbury being dirty are our rivals, which should tell you something.
You posted some ******** on a message board. Where are your facts?
You posted some ******** on a message board. Where are your facts?
DowntownDawg said:
All I'll say is if Stans is buying players, he's damn good at hiding it. Until I see some of this evidence you're talking about, I'll continue to believe he's probably running about as clean a program as most other major conference schools. Because the fact is, the NCAA spent 3 years looking at our basketball program as well as our football program, and was even called in by Gottfried to look at the Mario Austin situation, and the most serious thing they found was Ignerski letting Goffer borrow his car one summer while he was back in Europe.</p>
people who are in the know have told me. I'm not going to post that these things were told to me in confidence for one, and #2, I have no desire to see anything bad happen to our basketball program. And all these folks are diehard State fans. I don't think probation is forthcoming or anything, and I don't think that what we do is worse than anybody else.
Let me ask you this: Do you think any cheating goes on in college basketball?
Let me ask you this: Do you think any cheating goes on in college basketball?
was not shot to hell last week. In fact, a poster came on and pointed out that Ervin wasn't going to get his release, then publicly threatened to go see the compliance office, and then he magically got his release. That's the way I remember it, and other posters corroborated that. So in fact, nothing was shot to hell on that topic.
And now, the NCAA investigated our basketball program for two years, huh? Now who's the one making **** up?
And now, the NCAA investigated our basketball program for two years, huh? Now who's the one making **** up?
DowntownDawg said:
Of course cheating goes on in college basketball. It's been about 20 years ago now, but SI ran an article about recruiting and one quote that has stayed with me was from a former NCAA head of compliance. He said that he had no doubt that EVERY Div. I head basketball coach had committed a MAJOR infraction at some point in their career (emphasis mine).
Now I'll ask you a question. Do you think MSU basketball cheats any more than most other major conference schools?</p>
twice in this thread, and countless other times. If they do, it's not significantly more.
I do think we have a problem in handling the way we run our program, and I think it all ties in.
I do think we have a problem in handling the way we run our program, and I think it all ties in.
naive enough to think that NO cheating goes on at state, i just have a hard time believing something as serious as paying players goes on. i base this on the fact that the ncaa pretty much lived on campus TRYING to bust us on something, ANYTHING, and couldn't find a bit of evidence suggesting we do. that's all i'm saying, whereas most of your evidence is 2nd hand information.
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Then why the hell do you keep posting about us cheating in basketball? As for there being a problem in the way our basketball program is run, I just wish all of our other athletic programs had those same kinds of problems. Stans isn't perfect but damn, he's easily the best coach we have on campus in any sport (I'm considering Polk based on the past 7 years and not his entire career).
You've posted basically the same thing several times in several different threads pretty much ever since Stans announced that Hansbrough was leaving. We get it already. But if it's not worse than it is everywhere else, which you agree that it's not, then why keep harping on it or even bring it up at all?
Up since initially posting about it right after the news broke. Other people keep posting about it and I respond. There's a difference.
You said <span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">Stansbury</span> "let" Ervin go. That is absolutely wrong. Read your own effing quote, idiot.
Again, I have factual evidence, in writing, that nothing major was happening in our basketball program thanks to Rich Johanningsburgmeierstein or whatever his name was and thanks to Jackie's Band of Assclowns, that Rich guy lived on campus from 2001-2003. You have "people in the know" that you post about on a message board. Just admit it.. you were pissed Hansbrough is leaving, and you blew your wad and typed out a bunch of ******** while you were pissed. You have jack **** to back it up, and making accusations like that when there is a mountain of evidence to the contrary is opening yourself up to get ripped, so quit whining about it.
And while you are reading that, read the findings of the NCAA investigation that got football on probation. You will see that they investigated every sport, and yes, the whole thing lasted two years. Again, they came up with minor infractions for sports like softball and soccer. Do you think they didn't do a nose-dive into basketball?
Again, I have factual evidence, in writing, that nothing major was happening in our basketball program thanks to Rich Johanningsburgmeierstein or whatever his name was and thanks to Jackie's Band of Assclowns, that Rich guy lived on campus from 2001-2003. You have "people in the know" that you post about on a message board. Just admit it.. you were pissed Hansbrough is leaving, and you blew your wad and typed out a bunch of ******** while you were pissed. You have jack **** to back it up, and making accusations like that when there is a mountain of evidence to the contrary is opening yourself up to get ripped, so quit whining about it.
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