New classification system for MHSAA.

[MasterDawg]

<font face="Helvetica">The MHSAA voted today to move to a 6A classification system. Classes 5 and 6 will have 32 teams. The other classifications will be divided equally.</font>

 

[MasterDawg]

<font face="Helvetica">The MHSAA voted today to move to a 6A classification system. Classes 5 and 6 will have 32 teams. The other classifications will be divided equally.</font>

 

[Hector.sixpack]

I knew there was talk for a while, and they even got coaches input. I don't see any positives to this, but several negatives:

Travel- teams will have to travel more and gas ain't goin' down
Loss of Rival games
Loss of gate money- see all the above

I'm I missing something or does this not seem to be stupid idea. We don't have the populated areas like neighboring states to support this move. How does this help the school systems?

 

[Todd4State]

I knew there was talk for a while, and they even got coaches input. I don't see any positives to this, but several negatives:

Travel- teams will have to travel more and gas ain't goin' down
Loss of Rival games
Loss of gate money- see all the above

I'm I missing something or does this not seem to be stupid idea. We don't have the populated areas like neighboring states to support this move. How does this help the school systems?

We just don't have enough schools in the state to do that. The only way that would be a good idea is if the MPSA folded and then those schools were forced to join the MHSAA.</p>

 

[jackiesux]

Proctor said just last year that this would not happen.

 

[patdog]

Like other posters, I really don't see any feasible way for Mississippi to have 6 classes for sports. I could see them limiting the size of Class 4A to about 40 though.</p>

 

[Indndawg]

sux being in the same div as S Panola

 

[patdog]

would be that the current 5A classification would now be called 6A, with the largest 32 4A schools moving up to 5A. But take heart. Someday, South Panola's got to lose a game. At least I think they do.

 

[Indndawg]

and SP stay the same. Tupelo's supposed to be fairly loaded this year and would welcome the change

 

[Faustdog]

I knew there was talk for a while, and they even got coaches input. I don't see any positives to this, but several negatives:

Travel- teams will have to travel more and gas ain't goin' down
Loss of Rival games
Loss of gate money- see all the above

I'm I missing something or does this not seem to be stupid idea. We don't have the populated areas like neighboring states to support this move. How does this help the school systems?

We just don't have enough schools in the state to do that. The only way that would be a good idea is if the MPSA folded and then those schools were forced to join the MHSAA.</p>

Ninety percent of the schools in the MPSA would be classified as 1A in public school. The biggest two, Prep and JA, would probably be 3A. </p>

 

[Ole Miss Grad]

(Number beside name of school is the number of HS students)

Harrison Central 2481
Tupelo 1955
Madison Central 1918
Horn Lake 1864
Greenville-Weston 1736
Ocean Springs 1723
Gulfport 1625
Southaven 1565
Meridian 1548
Olive Branch 1459
Clinton 1430
Biloxi 1420
Northwest Rankin 1370
Columbus 1365
Murrah 1340
Grenada 1327
Oak Grove 1320
Jim Hill 1292
Brandon 1288
Warren Central 1244
DeSoto Central 1242
South Panola 1223
Hattiesburg 1198
Starkville 1187
Natchez 1169
Provine 1136
Pascagoula 1134
Wingfield 1134
Terry 1130
Petal 1117
George County 1111
Hancock 1104

 

[patdog]

The original poster said the supposed new 6A classification would also have 32 teams. So there would be no difference in the current 5A and the new 6A. Of course, he's probably full of ****.

 

[wpnetdawg]

nm

 

[patdog]

nm

 

[wpnetdawg]

I really don't understand why those schools even sponsor teams.

 

[Ole Miss Grad]

So you would prefer MSU never signed Don Smith, Pig Prather, Donald Lee, Kirby Jackson, Conner Stephens, Dicenzo Miller, etc. etc. etc?

 

[patdog]

Sports at the smaller schools is just as important as it is at the larger ones, and a state (or district) championship at any level is something the players, coaches and school can justifiably be very proud of. With rare exceptions, they couldn't compete in the higher classifications. But it wouldn't be any more fair to ask them to that it would be to ask Jackson State to compete in the SEC.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

I knew there was talk for a while, and they even got coaches input. I don't see any positives to this, but several negatives:

Travel- teams will have to travel more and gas ain't goin' down
Loss of Rival games
Loss of gate money- see all the above

I'm I missing something or does this not seem to be stupid idea. We don't have the populated areas like neighboring states to support this move. How does this help the school systems?

We just don't have enough schools in the state to do that. The only way that would be a good idea is if the MPSA folded and then those schools were forced to join the MHSAA.</p>

Ninety percent of the schools in the MPSA would be classified as 1A in public school. The biggest two, Prep and JA, would probably be 3A.</p>

Yeah, but when reclassification is done there are such a large number of schools that are 1A equivalent and would change the structure of the MHSAA to ensure equal numbers of schools per class. There would actually be more MPSA schools that would be 2A equivalent.
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I'd guesstimate that instead 90 percent of the MPSA schools being 1A in MHSAA that it would be 80 percent in 1A, most of the rest in 2A. JA & Prep would both be 4A.</p>And that doesn't even bring into consideration what associations in other states do with regard to multiplying the enrollments of private schools for the purposes of classification. The Alabama high school association, for example, has a 1.35 multipler for private schools.

 

[HD6]

just because you live in Crawford or Durant, you shouldn't be allowed to play high school sports? Or if you decide to send your kid to Catholic school, no sports for them?

Well, that's just stupid.

 

[wpnetdawg]

It was in reference to the "Jones County" domination thread.

 

[HD6]

one reply about it, maybe. Two replies, you buy into what you're saying.

 

[wpnetdawg]

Go back to the second page and see that I was on the opposite side of the "Jones County" dominance argument.

Jones County Dominance Thread

 

[MSUCostanza]

[No message]

 

[wpnetdawg]

I know you've never posted in a thread in which you had nothing to add.

By the way, that was sarcasm.

 

[Afro Dawg]

NM

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Link.

 

[Hector.sixpack]

This royally pisses me off and I can smell the steaming pile of money from here.

 

[wpnetdawg]

I don't know if this guy's information (posted below) is accurate or not, but he is saying that all classes will be distributed equally with approximately 44 schools in each class (4 eleven team regions with top 4 football schools advancing to playoffs).

While I am not necessarily opposed to the six classifications, I don't like the way the classifications break down in this scheme. Apparently, there currently are issues with 1A. However, this proposed (which may or may not be accurate) scheme exacerbates problems in the current 5A. The largest 5A is twice as large as the smallest 5A and this will only make it worse.

If I were doing it, I would place 32 teams in 1A and 6A and distribute 48-50 schools among the other four classes. The discepancies between large and small schools in terms of absolute and relative numbers are fairly small in the middle classifications, and this scheme would actually make them even smaller without making the discepancy in the state's largest classification larger.

I am not an expert on high school sports, but doing it this way seems as if it would solve some problems based on what little I know about the situation.

Edited to add: I just noticed Proctor's statements at the bottom of the DJ article saying that the size discepancy in the new 6A would remain the same. For the most part, this guy's information appears to be false and I wasted a lot of time typing a post for nothing.

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The MHSAA is thinking about trying to divide from 5 Classifications to 6 (1A, 2A, 3A, 4A, 5A, and 6A). There would be 44 schools in each classification.

Right now:

5A - 32 schools
4A - 57 schools
3A - 57 schools
2A - 57 schools
1A - 59 schools

Proposal:

6A - 44 schools (All the current 5A schools + the top 12 4A schools including Wayne Co., Pearl, West Point, Picayune, Moss Point, Callaway)

5A - 44 schools (The rest of the current 4A schools except Yazoo Co.)

4A - 44 schools (Yazoo Co. and the top 43 current 3A schools)

3A - 44 schools (The other 14 current 3A schools including Winona, Booneville, Heidelburg, Perry Central, and Velma Jackson + the top 30 current 2A schools)

2A - 44 schools (The other 27 current 2A schools + the top 17 1A schools)

1A - 42 schools (The rest of the 1A schools)

In most sports, 4 regions could be established with 11 schools in each region. The current format of the top 4 teams advancing would continue.

Now playoff teams:

5A - 16
4A - 32
3A - 32
2A - 32
1A - 16

Total: 128

Proposal playoff teams:

6A - 16
5A - 16
4A - 16
3A - 16
2A - 16
1A - 16

Total: 96

Advantages:

1. All classes would have closer to the same number of schools.
2. Range of total students would be closer in the majority of classes
3. Playoffs would be shorter in some sports.
4. Scheduling would be easier.
5. It would be less likely that teams with poor records would be in the playoffs.
6. More state champions.

 

[MasterDawg]

Rumors are strongly encouraged here, and I get it right. Don't doubt me.

 

[Ole Miss Grad]

I appreciate the scoop. It gave us something to talk about on another board yesterday.

 

[Seven Year Plan.nafoom]

These may not be exactly right. Consider that the new DeSoto schools (Center Hill, Lewisburg, & DeSoto Central) are based on their current enrollments (none are 4 grades yet). They are all expected to be 5A (now 6A) when the schools re-align.
That will give DeSoto County 6 or 7 6-A schools (Hernando may stay in 4/5A).

 

[Xenomorph]

In every sport one more group of high school kids will get to celebrate a state championship. How is that 17'ing them?

 

[SwampDawg]

Seems like I read that about a week ago.

 

[Seven Year Plan.nafoom]

Some of the student body will be sent to the new d'Iberville and West Harrison High Schools and some will remain at Harrison Central.</p>

 

[Hector.sixpack]

There are 170 schools 1A-3A, and 88 schools 4A-5A. Many of those small schools aren't exactly busting at the seams with money. I'll have to wait and see how they divide it up exactly b/c there are several scenarios. But if they go to 44 teams per class then that means fewer divisions, more teams in each division, more travel for division play, fewer rival games, and less gate money. I just don't believe 1 more state champion > more budget strain on a lot of schools.

 

[patdog]

nm

 

[patdog]

Consider that the new DeSoto schools (Center Hill, Lewisburg, & DeSoto Central) are based on their current enrollments (none are 4 grades yet).

Why wouldn't those schools have 4 grades yet? Did they decide not to transfer current students at the existing schools and just let the new ones add a grade at a time? That doesn't make any sense. You'd have all that money spent on new schools that would sit half emptry for the first few years while the existing schools were still way overcrowded. When Ridgeland split off from Madison Central, it was a full high school from day one, which seems to be a much more sensible way to do it.

Edited to add that I do agree that it won't be long before Div. 1-6A will basically be the Desoto County schools and South Panola and maybe either Tupelo, Grenada or Greenville. The growth up there is unbelievable.

 

[SasquatchReb]

Consider that the new DeSoto schools (Center Hill, Lewisburg, & DeSoto Central) are based on their current enrollments (none are 4 grades yet).

Why wouldn't those schools have 4 grades yet? Did they decide not to transfer current students at the existing schools and just let the new ones add a grade at a time? That doesn't make any sense. You'd have all that money spent on new schools that would sit half emptry for the first few years while the existing schools were still way overcrowded. When Ridgeland split off from Madison Central, it was a full high school from day one, which seems to be a much more sensible way to do it.

Edited to add that I do agree that it won't be long before Div. 1-6A will basically be the Desoto County schools and South Panola and maybe either Tupelo, Grenada or Greenville. The growth up there is unbelievable.

...both started last year as Middle/High Schools (grades 6-10) and are adding an upper grade this year (11th) and next year (12th). They anticipate separate middle schools being built for each in the near future. And yes, they did transfer in current students from other existing schools last year.
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[MasterDawg]

Please don't apologize. Just gloating. I finally got one right after my string of 50 consecutive incorrect rumors.

 

[Eureka Dog]

by some school districts (pushed by many coaches) to move to a 10-point grading scale. This is being pushed hard by various people who believe that modifying the grading scale will increase the number of Mississippi HS athletes qualifying to compete as Freshmen at the D1 level.

Some folks believe that Mississippi HS athletes' achievements are "discounted" due to the highest classification being 5A while the highest classification in all of the states around Mississippi is 6A.