Been hearing and seeing rumblings regarding what the 12 team playoff would look like if it happened this year. Obviously PSU would be in as somewhere between a #12 to #9 seed. For the 10-2 is good crowd and that lets us skate into the playoffs, the new growing narrative appears to be that teams like PSU should not get a second crack at the Michigan and OSUs of the world in the playoffs. Save those 9, 10 11, and 12 spots for teams that don't beat a bunch of .500 teams and lose to the better teams. Almost starting to look like they want the equivalent of #16 seeds in the NCAA tournament: maybe get a Cinderella or just let the top 4 to 6 seeds clobber them so they get a true advantage for the playoff. Will be interesting to see what way the wind blows as PSU may become the poster boy for "do we really want to see Michigan beat PSU for a second time this season?"
New Narrative for Next Year - No Second Chance
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Georgetown had twice beaten Villanova before they met in the 1985 championship game. Just putting that out here for whatever.
There’s no way a 12-team playoff won’t have rematches just like the NFL Playoffs. That narrative is absurd and won’t fly.
I think the "committee" will attempt to predict winners and seed teams accordingly. That said, they'll probably fail.
I also think the scheduling of cupcakes by the Top 20 teams becomes standard. We won't see many interesting games the first 3-4 weeks of the season.
It can be very difficult to beat teams twice. But interesting to create a new angle to anticipate doom and gloom. Something new here.
It's a slippery slope to try and pull that off. If the loser of the Michigan vs OSU game falls to 7 or 8 seed should they get a second shot? Where do you draw the line? At the 9 seed? Not sure that make sense to draw a line there. Will be so many arguments about where to draw the line on second chances
The SEC has been the home of 2 and 3 matchups of the same teams. It seems many years the SEC Championship game is a rematch in the CFP.
We’ve been screwed so often over the years that it becomes second nature to question every little angle. This does make our schadenfreude vis a vis Michigan to be most satisfying, just stating the obvious.
Why live in the moment when you can regurgitate the misery of past defeats and agonize over something that hasn't happened and may never happen? Give me the misery of past memories of PSU's failures and losses, my dejection and unfulfilled hopes, and the self-induced agony of a painful, hallucinatory future any day of the week. I just had a terrible thought. What if the scenario played out and PSU won the second game against tOSU or UM? HORRORS!
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Penn State doesn’t play Michigan next year.
I know it's no solace, but I doubt any fanbase rivals Nebraska when it comes to slings and arrows of outrageous fate
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I don't think it is doom and gloom. It may well be the new reality. I agree with another poster who said the committee will try to play bracketology. The drum beat to give the higher seeds an advantage will be legitimate (“the regular season has to still mean something!”). The point is 10-2 or 9-3 with losses to higher ranked schools may not be the guaranteed admit to the playoffs that we all think it will be.
Is Nebraska a big 2 school?I know it's no solace, but I doubt any fanbase rivals Nebraska when it comes to slings and arrows of outrageous fate
To call that argument a "growing narrative" suggests that it was ever a narrative. It is, quite simply, a ridiculous idea that will gain no traction.
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8 more years!
Damn shame that kid wasn't healthy all season.
Substitute PSU with another 10-2 team that can’t beat the big boys in their conference - Missouri, NC, K St, Oregon St for instance. What would be the difference? As said above, NFL playoffs are awash in rematches as well as divisional rematches. Yet those get celebrated.
None of those teams you mentioned has the pedigree of PSU, hell any of those teams are happy with a 10-2, Apples to Oranges.
The original premise I was referring to was "do we really want to see Michigan beat PSU for a second time this season?" So by substituting the 4 teams I mentioned, the question becomes ‘do we want to see Georgia beat Missouri again’ or ‘Texas beating K St again’, etc. For many that want to keep the playoff at 4, they don’t want potential rematches yet when it happens in the NFL Playoffs, these same people are likely touting how great it is.
Don't care about potential rematches, but don't know what the right number is. Twelve is too many. Don't think we'll see too many 8-12 seeds get past the second round (or into the semis depending on how they format it). Expansion is about money, not making a better, more competitive championship. In years past, legitimate arguments could have been made for one or two teams, not many more, beyond the four selected.
As far as I'm concerned the idiots running the show can go fu@ck themselves and I hope they do.
eight was always the right number
Eight is probably too many, but six poses structural problems. Not sure that I like giving the top two a first round bye in a tournament where the participants are chosen and seeding determined by the "eye test."
I like 8 best - P5 conference champs (yes, even Iowa if they won), best G5, 2 wildcard. It would still cause tons of debate, which everyone seems to like, and still allow for everyone to have a chance to get in. Naturally, it would change once the Pac 12 dies.
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With the death of the PAC 12, it should stay at four teams…each conference winner with no G5 teams. Perfect. You have to win something to get in.
You must be having this discussion in your house if it is a growing narrative. Even if there were something to it, they would do what is done in basketball.
This year UM is a two seed, they make sure PSU is an 8/9 or 11, but not a 7/10, and they make OSU a 5 or 6. ITs really not all that hard. No conference repeats till the semis, and this is only if the discussions in your living room get out of hand.
Mostly local sports talk and social media for now. Particularly from potential fringe top 12 teams (Iowa, Miami, Ok St, North Carolina, etc.) and the current super powers of the sport. National narratives haven’t been focused on this yet, no revenue in it at this time.
Leave PSU out of it for the moment since that gets everyone in here butt hurt on one side of the fence. Take LSU and Florida. They could play during the regular season, the SEC championship game, and then again in the playoffs. If LSU beats them twice, they then have to do it a third time? Do we give some undefeated Liberty team a chance instead of the twice beaten Gators who had their chance? It’s going to be interesting.
Leave PSU out of it for the moment since that gets everyone in here butt hurt on one side of the fence. Take LSU and Florida. They could play during the regular season, the SEC championship game, and then again in the playoffs. If LSU beats them twice, they then have to do it a third time? Do we give some undefeated Liberty team a chance instead of the twice beaten Gators who had their chance? It’s going to be interesting.
Conference champs (however many you want to consider worthy of being in the playoffs) entering the playoff was always such a simple way to do it. Take out the subjectivity and move on.
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