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If we ever build a new stadium we need to take a page from the Germans, sorry if this is. Link 1 Link 2
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If we ever build a new stadium we need to take a page from the Germans, sorry if this is. Link 1 Link 2
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A stadium like that has no business being on a college campus, but it is cool. If we build a new stadium, we need to take a page from the ancient Romans or Greeks.
Other nice new stadiums - see below.
http://www.forbes.com/2008/03/31/sp...0331stadiums_slide_2.html?partner=yahoosports
Other nice new stadiums - see below.
http://www.forbes.com/2008/03/31/sp...0331stadiums_slide_2.html?partner=yahoosports
Well, we would finally have something on campus that would somewhat match the Hunter Henry Center.
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Looking at those stadiums got me to thinking how many seats do we need for football? The Colts are only going to have 65K. Looked like the average for the new NFL stadiums is around 80K. I tend to think a stadium like the colts would be perfect for MSU. I like the design, amenities, and intimate feel of it. I know we will probably just continue to build on/add to/patchwork, but it would be nice to be able to start from scratch. One thing I would like to see is the west side come down and we build it back closer to the field, bowl in, nicer press box, two levels of skyboxes, and a large club level. Just a dream but just a possible lottery ticket away from reality.
But, I would come close to saying never on the prospect of us ever building a new stadium.
We have the 2nd oldest stadium in the country. If we build another, we would have to either demolish the old one an put the new one where the old one was ---keeping Scott Field (which is actually what is the oldest, not the structure) and its status. Or we would have to give up the tradition of the 2nd oldest stadium. Demolish the old one and build a new one - that means we would have to be without a stadium for a football season.
Ain't gonna happen. Ever. See Neyland. We will just add on and add on ad nauseum.
We have the 2nd oldest stadium in the country. If we build another, we would have to either demolish the old one an put the new one where the old one was ---keeping Scott Field (which is actually what is the oldest, not the structure) and its status. Or we would have to give up the tradition of the 2nd oldest stadium. Demolish the old one and build a new one - that means we would have to be without a stadium for a football season.
Ain't gonna happen. Ever. See Neyland. We will just add on and add on ad nauseum.
But the reason is simple economics, not any "tradition" that comes from having the 2nd oldest on-campus stadium in the country. The truth is, there is no tradition to speak of and nobody really gives a **** about having the 2nd oldest on-campus stadium in the country. I follow college football pretty closely, and I can't even name who has the oldest stadium in the country, much less who has the 3rd oldest. If we ever did build a new stadium though, we'd just continue to use the old one while we built the new one then probably demolish the old one after the new one opens.
I think it is cool. College football is about traditions. And I think playing on the same field (that is the reality of it -- not the stadium) for that many years is a rich tradition. Plus, isn't Bully I buried under the players bench? You can't just dig up a dog's body just because of a new stadium!
At least I think college football is about traditions. It might be about winning traditions. But, not at MSU.
At least I think college football is about traditions. It might be about winning traditions. But, not at MSU.
I was just stating, for the sake of argument, that although the new stadiums are cool (and I think appropriate for professional teams, urban areas, soccer), they would be awful on a college campus. Although, I would similarly hope that any future additions to the stadium look more Roman Coliseum than Hunter Henry.
If someone dropped $100 million in our lap and told us it was to be used for a totally new football stadium, I'd be thrilled. I've loved going to games at Scott Field/Davis Wade Stadium for over 20 years now. But if we had a new better stadium somewhere else on campus, I'd love it at least as much. The tradition is the team, coaches and fans. You don't see the Yankees or the Celtics staying in the same old stadium just because it's "tradition." I know that's not college sports, but you just don't get any more tradition than those two franchises, or those two old stadiums, have.
However, we weren't supposing someone dropped $100 million on us for a new stadium. That would certainly test the extent of my nostalgia.
Yankee Stadium may be a bad example. Yeah, they are building a new one, but the current one is the third oldest in the major leagues, behind Wrigley and Fenway, and the new stadium is designed to be basically a newer replica of the original Yankee Stadium with the same dimensions and all.
"if they drop that much money, we will do whatever they want" philosophy. Mr. Henry picked out the design himself from several options. The Henry center is far worse than if a parking lot sat there with weeds growing up through it.
could you even build Scott Field exactly like it is for $100,000,000. I know you're not talking about building something like the Cowboys new stadium, which is costing something like 1 billion, but I'd imagine constructing a NEW stadium for an SEC school - even State or Ole Miss - that included all the perks and premium seating with great atmostphere and line-of-sight for all the seats in the 65k-75k seating capacity range would still cost 500 million or more. I just don't see either school coming up with that kind of money.
I could be way off, but useless info flying around in my head is accurate at least 25% of the time.
I believe that the Molson Centre is also pretty new.
However, I just can't see the Cubs ever tearing down Wrigley Field, no matter what.</p>
However, I just can't see the Cubs ever tearing down Wrigley Field, no matter what.</p>
A cost of $70 per seat would mean you could build a 70K seat stadium for $4.9 million. We all know that ain't happening. Even $700 a seat makes a 70K seat stadium "only" $49 million. I have no idea what a reasonable cost per seat estimate is, but it would seem that $1500/seat would be an absolute minimum ($1500/seat for 70K seats is $105 million. Even that is probably <span style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: underline;">very</span> conservative).
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type. I recall it being several thousands per seat because I recall questioning how many single season tickets it would take to make up the cost (at least at MSU's cost per seat) It was something like 30 years assuming the entire ticket cost was used for stadium construction.
Point it...it does not make sense to even consider a new stadium.
Point it...it does not make sense to even consider a new stadium.
when searching for costs of building a college stadium. The article, which is about JSU building an on-campus stadium, quotes a price of $66 million for a 40,000 seat stadium. And that figure is from 2005 I think. So, once you factor in the additional seating, luxury boxes and club-leve seating and all the amenities that would be typical for an SEC staduim, that price would probably fall in the 100-150 million range. So I'd say your numbers are pretty spot-on Cowtown.
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$10 mixed drinks at the games. We do that and we could raise the $66 million to replace the west side and bowl in the stadium in a season, plus pay off any NCAA penalties. Everybody would be encouraged to "Drink up to build up". The home games with LSU and Ole Miss would be cash cows (pun intended).
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