NIL and recruiting

[blion72]

Bakertilly firm has specialty in university compliance. All their writings continue to uphold that fact that NIL $$$ cannot be used to recruit or induce enrollment to a particular school. These $$$ are meant for a specific person who has NIL brand, and would largely come from sponsors in exchange for service of some type related to the sponsor, and NOT enrolling or playing for a given school. This seems pretty clear, and several coaches are raising this issue as NIL as a recruiting tool seems to be going on. Additionally, some of the sports media is just declaring this is within the rules. Where is the NCAA compliance, whose rules are what governs this sport? These are the same people who were able to extrapolate an event not directly related to Penn State, and punish our football program for years. A friend of mine is a lawyer at BT, and he says they were approached by the general counsel of a school that was inquiring about creating a class action suit against the NCAA AND given schools violating the rules.

Addressing NIL recruiting issues at the collegiate level | Baker Tilly

Recruiting opportunities and limitations exist for higher education institutions in the name, image and likeness (NIL) era.

www.bakertilly.com

 

[Midnighter]

Bakertilly firm has specialty in university compliance. All their writings continue to uphold that fact that NIL $$$ cannot be used to recruit or induce enrollment to a particular school. These $$$ are meant for a specific person who has NIL brand, and would largely come from sponsors in exchange for service of some type related to the sponsor, and NOT enrolling or playing for a given school. This seems pretty clear, and several coaches are raising this issue as NIL as a recruiting tool seems to be going on. Additionally, some of the sports media is just declaring this is within the rules. Where is the NCAA compliance, whose rules are what governs this sport? These are the same people who were able to extrapolate an event not directly related to Penn State, and punish our football program for years. A friend of mine is a lawyer at BT, and he says they were approached by the general counsel of a school that was inquiring about creating a class action suit against the NCAA AND given schools violating the rules.

Addressing NIL recruiting issues at the collegiate level | Baker Tilly

Recruiting opportunities and limitations exist for higher education institutions in the name, image and likeness (NIL) era.

www.bakertilly.com

This bell can’t be un-rung.

 

[Bkmtnittany1]

So Mid....if a guy takes a ton of $$$$ to sign with a school. Prime example, Ewers kid at OSU, then transfers out. Does he keep the coin that OSU gave him?

 

[Midnighter]

So Mid....if a guy takes a ton of $$$$ to sign with a school. Prime example, Ewers kid at OSU, then transfers out. Does he keep the coin that OSU gave him?

I mean, what coin did OSU give him? His NIL deal was with a private autograph company. Or are you thinking OSU offered him that deal?

 

[Bkmtnittany1]

I mean, what coin did OSU give him? His NIL deal was with a private autograph company. Or are you thinking OSU offered him that deal?

My mistake....I meant to say does he keep the coin that the private company gave him?

 

[Midnighter]

Good article here about Ewers and NIL here:

Quinn Ewers, NIL and the Transfer Portal

What NIL actually measures, whether Ewers represents the new normal, and more:

www.extrapointsmb.com

 

[Midnighter]

My mistake....I meant to say does he keep the coin that the private company gave him?

I don’t know - would depend on the terms of his contract. I recall reading that to get all or most of his money he would have to at least play. Not sure if true but this is murky water at best. Definitely needs to be more oversight on these deals - something that should be done at the NCAA for example instead of the schools.

 

[Bkmtnittany1]

I don’t know - would depend on the terms of his contract. I recall reading that to get all or most of his money he would have to at least play. Not sure if true but this is murky water at best. Definitely needs to be more oversight on these deals - something that should be done at the NCAA for example instead of the schools.

I read...I think on this site...that he showed up at Texas with the truck that he got for signing with OSU.

 

[Tchains23]

I don’t know - would depend on the terms of his contract. I recall reading that to get all or most of his money he would have to at least play. Not sure if true but this is murky water at best. Definitely needs to be more oversight on these deals - something that should be done at the NCAA for example instead of the schools.

I read...I think on this site...that he showed up at Texas with the truck that he got for signing with OSU.

NILs can not have incentive base language and the report of him having to play was retracted.

The car dealership literally made a video, commercial and goodbye message with Ewers handing is car in when he transferred out a few weeks ago. He got it for marketing with the dealership and not signing with OSU. But if the message boards were reporting it..

 

[Nitt1300]

the NCAA is deservedly now powerless to do much about this- or about anything else

 

[Midnighter]

I read...I think on this site...that he showed up at Texas with the truck that he got for signing with OSU.

Columbus car dealer provided a truck as part of NIL deal. Again - car can’t be for signing with a certain team or incentive based.

 

[PSUFTG]

So Mid....if a guy takes a ton of $$$$ to sign with a school. Prime example, Ewers kid at OSU, then transfers out. Does he keep the coin that OSU gave him?

OSU didn't give him a dime (other than, of course, the tuition/fee waiver and the allowable NCAA governed stipend)

 

[Bkmtnittany1]

OSU didn't give him a dime (other than, of course, the tuition/fee waiver and the allowable NCAA governed stipend)

Thanks for pointing that out. If you had read a few posts further you would have seen that i corrected myself. But again, thanks for being alert!

 

[blion72]

This bell can’t be un-rung.

I think from what my friend told me the school GC who was consulting to BT was trying to determine the feasibility of a group of schools creating a class action complaint against the NCAA - presumably for lack of enforcement, and against the schools for not enforcing the existing regulation/policies. It is weird at the NCAA is essentially as service organization to the schools. The schools tell the NCAA what they want them to regulate and enforce. There are a couple schools really mad for sure. If there was a lawsuit, I assume the remedy they would seek is some type of punishment or recovery from the "violator" schools. My guess is that the test would come down to a couple points - 1) was there NIL $$$ offered to an athlete before he signed, and 2) did this influence the signing, and 3) was it in line with the brand of the athlete - an unknown player has no brand so would seem to have no value, and 4) was the source from a business that the NIL investment made sense - i.e. a group of alumni with a go fund me would not make sense, and 5) was the school directly involved. It would seem that if you had these conditions, that you would be outside the rails already established by the NCAA. The fact a school may be looking into a lawsuit suggests the NCAA should get their butt in gear. Hey they wrote the regulations, why is it so hard to enforce?