NIL Buyout Clauses

[NWADawg]

So, they way I understand things these are the rules to play by:

• Kids can transfer without penalty any time they want.
• School are now allowed to "manage" NIL agreements.
• "Commitments" are unsigned NIL contracts.

So, seems it would help if NIL's had boyout clauses. If a kid "commits" to school A, he signs (with a guardian if needed) an NIL agreement. If Blueblood B decides they want to take that kid from school A, they would have to pay the kid and pay school A the buyout.

Now it costs Blueblood $200k or whatever for NIL for the kid and $400k buyout to school A. At least then, school A gets a little shopping around money for their effort and maybe it would slow down transfers a little. Dollar amounts are probably way off and just for example.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

So, they way I understand things these are the rules to play by:

• Kids can transfer without penalty any time they want.
• School are now allowed to "manage" NIL agreements.
• "Commitments" are unsigned NIL contracts.

So, seems it would help if NIL's had boyout clauses. If a kid "commits" to school A, he signs (with a guardian if needed) an NIL agreement. If Blueblood B decides they want to take that kid from school A, they would have to pay the kid and pay school A the buyout.

Now it costs Blueblood $200k or whatever for NIL for the kid and $400k buyout to school A. At least then, school A gets a little shopping around money for their effort and maybe it would slow down transfers a little. Dollar amounts are probably way off and just for example.

What does it really matter? Nothing we do is going to make this fair, or advantageous to MSU.

 

[aTotal360]

I think anything less than a free handout will put you behind the 8 ball because everyone else has enough money to throw around unstipulated money.

 

[Maroon13]

So you are suggesting buyout clauses, or is this something that is being considered? Just curious


I don't know how it all works specifically but I'll share one story. Again, a co-worker his son plays football in the acc. He had not received a dime of nil by his RS junior year. He is a 2nd string DL. So the kid goes to the coach and says he is transferring out. As the kid was receiving calls from other schools guaging his interest to transfer. When the kid did that.... a few days later the position coach said go see such and such at the collective. The meeting was set.

The player called the dad and said they want me to sign a contract. (i didn't ask the terms). The dad said don't sign anything. The collective said ok but we cant guarantee you anything. Kid signed a contract and the dad said to me, "f them, they can't stop us if we want to leave anyways".

This was a month ago. So I imagine the player is staying put. But I can't imagine the mess all this is for coaches. Because the dad is very pissed that they have to sign a contract.

 

[L4Dawg]

I may be wrong, but the way the rules are structured you are not getting paid to play. Therefore you can't be held to one school by any NIL money you take. It's an unworkable system.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

So you are suggesting buyout clauses, or is this something that is being considered? Just curious


I don't know how it all works specifically but I'll share one story. Again, a co-worker his son plays football in the acc. He had not received a dime of nil by his RS junior year. He is a 2nd string DL. So the kid goes to the coach and says he is transferring out. As the kid was receiving calls from other schools guaging his interest to transfer. When the kid did that.... a few days later the position coach said go see such and such at the collective. The meeting was set.

The player called the dad and said they want me to sign a contract. (i didn't ask the terms). The dad said don't sign anything. The collective said ok but we cant guarantee you anything. Kid signed a contract and the dad said to me, "f them, they can't stop us if we want to leave anyways".

This was a month ago. So I imagine the player is staying put. But I can't imagine the mess all this is for coaches. Because the dad is very pissed that they have to sign a contract.

Silliness....why would anyone pay a 2nd string DL?

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Silliness....why would anyone pay a 2nd string DL?

Depth for rotational purposes and/or in case of injuries.

#ifitsinthegame

 

[mstateglfr]

So you are suggesting buyout clauses, or is this something that is being considered? Just curious


I don't know how it all works specifically but I'll share one story. Again, a co-worker his son plays football in the acc. He had not received a dime of nil by his RS junior year. He is a 2nd string DL. So the kid goes to the coach and says he is transferring out. As the kid was receiving calls from other schools guaging his interest to transfer. When the kid did that.... a few days later the position coach said go see such and such at the collective. The meeting was set.

The player called the dad and said they want me to sign a contract. (i didn't ask the terms). The dad said don't sign anything. The collective said ok but we cant guarantee you anything. Kid signed a contract and the dad said to me, "f them, they can't stop us if we want to leave anyways".

This was a month ago. So I imagine the player is staying put. But I can't imagine the mess all this is for coaches. Because the dad is very pissed that they have to sign a contract.

You would have to assume something was offered, otherwise there is 0 reason to even ask the player to sign a contract.
I dont see what the problem is- the player wasnt playing(much), wasnt getting NIL money, and apparently wanted some money so he said he was going to transfer. The school then offered some money and the kid is getting what he wants.

 

[mstateglfr]

Silliness....why would anyone pay a 2nd string DL?

2nd string DL can and do get a ton of snaps in higher level college programs
- injured starter
- situational like goal line or whatever
- fatigued starter late in game or during/after long drive
- subbing in frequently thru a game when defending a faster tempo offense


2nd string OL? Well thats often times a different story.

 

[Maroon13]

I dont see what the problem is- the player wasnt playing(much), wasnt getting NIL money, and apparently wanted some money so he said he was going to transfer. The school then offered some money and the kid is getting what he wants.

Agreed.

The kid was getting ripped off. His school was bring in other transfers, paying them but ignoring a player that has been there for 4 years.

My other point of the story, maybe i was not so clear, is that the players already sign some type of contract with collectives and this parent didn't like it. So... adding a buyout clause will get a lot of push back.

Also Just to clarify, he is more of the 1B variety. He plays a lot just doesn't start.

 

[Seinfeld]

2nd string DL can and do get a ton of snaps in higher level college programs
- injured starter
- situational like goal line or whatever
- fatigued starter late in game or during/after long drive
- subbing in frequently thru a game when defending a faster tempo offense


2nd string OL? Well thats often times a different story.

And let’s not forget the vaunted 1A/1B defensive schemes that may or may not still be out there

 

[pseudonym]

It would have to be an agreement between the collectives. Otherwise, athletes would opt for the NIL deal with no strings.

And it seems unlikely that blue bloods with NIL money would make such an agreement.

 

[Bulldawg77]

What does it really matter? Nothing we do is going to make this fair, or advantageous to MSU.

Just cause you keep repeating this doesn’t make it true… I’m glad we actually have people in our fan base see the NIL and portal as a good thing for us and not a disadvantage.

What more will it take for you and others to believe this. Honest question.. maybe go listen to Charlie on the thunder and lightning pod since you don’t believe what I say .

 

[Bulldog45]

Put the money in a trust and give them an allowance. Player considered fully vested if injured or the school parts ways, but only receives a proportional % if they leave, based on how long they stay.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Just cause you keep repeating this doesn’t make it true… I’m glad we actually have people in our fan base see the NIL and portal as a good thing for us and not a disadvantage.

What more will it take for you and others to believe this. Honest question.. maybe go listen to Charlie on the thunder and lightning pod since you don’t believe what I say .

Because they aren't a good thing for us, outside of baseball and MAYBE basketball. We simply don't have the cash to compete with the big boys in football.

The portal, overall by itself, could have been a good thing for us. But now, with NIL, we always run the risk of our players, that we develop, leaving.

 

[Seinfeld]

Because they aren't a good thing for us, outside of baseball and MAYBE basketball. We simply don't have the cash to compete with the big boys in football.

The portal, overall by itself, could have been a good thing for us. But now, with NIL, we always run the risk of our players, that we develop, leaving.

Exactly. All that NIL has done over the last couple years is take all the things that were already working against us and made those things permissible. Anyone trying to convince themselves that this was ever going to be an advantage for a school like State is just denying reality.

 

[HuntDawg]

Because they aren't a good thing for us, outside of baseball and MAYBE basketball. We simply don't have the cash to compete with the big boys in football.

The portal, overall by itself, could have been a good thing for us. But now, with NIL, we always run the risk of our players, that we develop, leaving.

Name a few players weve developed who have left for greener pastures

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Name a few players weve developed who have left for greener pastures

2024 - Percy Lewis, Woody Marks, Decarlos Nicholson, Zavion Thomas, Will Rogers
2023 - RaRa Thomas, Dillon Johnson
2022 - Malik Heath, Aaron Brule

I'm just talking about starters here, too. And obviously 2024 was a bigger year because of the wholesale coaching change. This is why it's so important to have experience coaches who will stay here over longer periods of time to minimize that movement. But we're still going to have some. And we almost lost a few more, I remember LSU trying to get Tyrus Wheat.

And....it's all new. I mean we've seen the damn break more and more each year that this stuff is legal. Now they are letting you transfer every year, so the tidal wave is just getting bigger.

 

[Bulldawg77]

Because they aren't a good thing for us, outside of baseball and MAYBE basketball. We simply don't have the cash to compete with the big boys in football.

The portal, overall by itself, could have been a good thing for us. But now, with NIL, we always run the risk of our players, that we develop, leaving.

And we have lost a grand total of 2 kids off our football roster that left due to NIL. And as we have pointed out one had a better offer here.
We signed the best HS WR class in a long time. Beat our TN OM Stanford and others… they didn’t come here for free. Signed the top center in football signed a LT that has multiple offers signed a WR Auburn wanted…. Just stop with this BS we don’t have the cash.

 

[Bulldawg77]

2024 - Percy Lewis, Woody Marks, Decarlos Nicholson, Zavion Thomas, Will Rogers
2023 - RaRa Thomas, Dillon Johnson
2022 - Malik Heath, Aaron Brule

I'm just talking about starters here, too. And obviously 2024 was a bigger year because of the wholesale coaching change. This is why it's so important to have experience coaches who will stay here over longer periods of time to minimize that movement. But we're still going to have some. And we almost lost a few more, I remember LSU trying to get Tyrus Wheat.

And....it's all new. I mean we've seen the damn break more and more each year that this stuff is legal. Now they are letting you transfer every year, so the tidal wave is just getting bigger.

This is hilarious and incredibly incorrect
Percy wasn’t asked to stay instead we went out and got a better LT in pounders. Had zero to do with NIl
Woody left on his on not NIL related. Will. That’s funny cause we upgraded with Shapen. And no Will didn’t leave due to NIL. Dude decarlos went to the NFL… really???
Yes we lost Zavion but he has a sweet deal here and didn’t even get that amount at LSU.

Leach ran Dillon off not NIL related same with Malik he was kicked off the team. Brule… who went to Michigan State and couldn’t crack that line up here.. ok.
Now regarding Wheat LSU came after him but we made him a better offer… so he stayed. But please carry on
You are just bitter about Lebby for no reason

 

[HuntDawg]

2024 - Percy Lewis, Woody Marks, Decarlos Nicholson, Zavion Thomas, Will Rogers
2023 - RaRa Thomas, Dillon Johnson
2022 - Malik Heath, Aaron Brule

I'm just talking about starters here, too. And obviously 2024 was a bigger year because of the wholesale coaching change. This is why it's so important to have experience coaches who will stay here over longer periods of time to minimize that movement. But we're still going to have some. And we almost lost a few more, I remember LSU trying to get Tyrus Wheat.

And....it's all new. I mean we've seen the damn break more and more each year that this stuff is legal. Now they are letting you transfer every year, so the tidal wave is just getting bigger.

those guys didn’t leave for greener pastures minus Thomas. Both heath and brule graduated from here and Johnson left due to the offensive system changing.

Same for the entire 2024 class.

We gain more players portal wise and nil wise than we lose. This will continue to be the case. Teams are not going to rob our roster of 2-3 star talent that we develop. The opposite will be true. We will rob other rosters 4-5 star players that were quiet good enough to play for those blue bloods

 

[HuntDawg]

This is hilarious and incredibly incorrect
Percy wasn’t asked to stay instead we went out and got a better LT in pounders. Had zero to do with NIl
Woody left on his on not NIL related. Will. That’s funny cause we upgraded with Shapen. And no Will didn’t leave due to NIL. Dude decarlos went to the NFL… really???
Yes we lost Zavion but he has a sweet deal here and didn’t even get that amount at LSU.

Leach ran Dillon off not NIL related same with Malik he was kicked off the team. Brule… who went to Michigan State and couldn’t crack that line up here.. ok.
Now regarding Wheat LSU came after him but we made him a better offer… so he stayed. But please carry on
You are just bitter about Lebby for no reason

Bingo. We haven’t lost anyone

 

[OG Goat Holder]

This is hilarious and incredibly incorrect
Percy wasn’t asked to stay instead we went out and got a better LT in pounders. Had zero to do with NIl
Woody left on his on not NIL related. Will. That’s funny cause we upgraded with Shapen. And no Will didn’t leave due to NIL. Dude decarlos went to the NFL… really???
Yes we lost Zavion but he has a sweet deal here and didn’t even get that amount at LSU.

Leach ran Dillon off not NIL related same with Malik he was kicked off the team. Brule… who went to Michigan State and couldn’t crack that line up here.. ok.
Now regarding Wheat LSU came after him but we made him a better offer… so he stayed. But please carry on
You are just bitter about Lebby for no reason

I'm not saying NIL only. Combo of NIL and portal. None of those guys leave if it's just about NIL.

One of the great things about college sports is that you made a decision on these guys at 18, and depending on your projections, the lower level teams could get lucky and end up with a better player once they hit 21 or 22. Sitting out a year was never a problem that needed fixing, except maybe during a coaching change.

We've completely taken that part away. We will basically get one good year out of players going forward, unless we overpay them to stay, which is not a good strategy.

 

[Bulldawg77]

I'm not saying NIL only. Combo of NIL and portal. None of those guys leave if it's just about NIL.

One of the great things about college sports is that you made a decision on these guys at 18, and depending on your projections, the lower level teams could get lucky and end up with a better player once they hit 21 or 22. Sitting out a year was never a problem that needed fixing, except maybe during a coaching change.

We've completely taken that part away. We will basically get one good year out of players going forward, unless we overpay them to stay, which is not a good strategy.

I got news for you buddy. Kids have transferred out for years. They are just now eligible and free to go when they want. Again, you and others are just trying to cherry pick negative BS to fit some narrative that we hired a young up and coming coach and didn’t hire some re tread older coach who couldn’t connect with todays players.
You over pay when you have to but again you act like we lost every good player. You act like we have zero funds. Like we didn’t bring any players in.

 

[HuntDawg]

I got news for you buddy. Kids have transferred out for years. They are just now eligible and free to go when they want. Again, you and others are just trying to cherry pick negative BS to fit some narrative that we hired a young up and coming coach and didn’t hire some re tread older coach who couldn’t connect with todays players.
You over pay when you have to but again you act like we lost every good player. You act like we have zero funds. Like we didn’t bring any players in.

Goat— pushing a narrative that fits his agenda without reasoning... Can’t be….lol… guy is Joe 17ing Biden

 

[OG Goat Holder]

I got news for you buddy. Kids have transferred out for years. They are just now eligible and free to go when they want. Again, you and others are just trying to cherry pick negative BS to fit some narrative that we hired a young up and coming coach and didn’t hire some re tread older coach who couldn’t connect with todays players.
You over pay when you have to but again you act like we lost every good player. You act like we have zero funds. Like we didn’t bring any players in.

No, they haven't. Rarely would a player leave a starting situation at a mediocre program, sit a year, then get a shot at a bigger program. It rarely ever happened. Most of those moves were horizontal in nature. Like Cam going from Florida-JUCO-Auburn. Russell Wilson from NC State to Wisconsin. Trevor Knight from Oklahoma to Texas A&M. Even the ones who get a waiver, like that big OT from Georgia who came to MSU during the Croom Error.

I also didn't say we had zero funds. We have some, and can benefit from them if we use them smartly. But going out and overpaying for select players isn't the way, when Alabama and LSU can do that for their whole team, in addition to having the better culture, facilities, fan following, tradition, etc.

 

[Bulldawg77]

No, they haven't. Rarely would a player leave a starting situation at a mediocre program, sit a year, then get a shot at a bigger program. It rarely ever happened. Most of those moves were horizontal in nature. Like Cam going from Florida-JUCO-Auburn. Russell Wilson from NC State to Wisconsin. Trevor Knight from Oklahoma to Texas A&M. Even the ones who get a waiver, like that big OT from Georgia who came to MSU during the Croom Error.

I also didn't say we had zero funds. We have some, and can benefit from them if we use them smartly. But going out and overpaying for select players isn't the way, when Alabama and LSU can do that for their whole team, in addition to having the better culture, facilities, fan following, tradition, etc.

You lack of knowledge is pretty impressive. Kids left starting situation all the time. You just don’t want to admit your wrong on every level I have challenged you on
You cherry pick to be negative cause you don’t like Lebby. That’s the basis for your negativity

 

[OG Goat Holder]

You lack of knowledge is pretty impressive. Kids left starting situation all the time. You just don’t want to admit your wrong on every level I have challenged you on
You cherry pick to be negative cause you don’t like Lebby. That’s the basis for your negativity

Ooooookay.....

I could care less about Lebby. I don't like our decision-making at MSU, and I don't like the collective attitude of our football fanbase. I think those things are what hold us back more than anything. SO....realizing that will never change, I decided to change myself, and just see MSU football for what it is.....entertainment. Sure, we'll get an AD or a coach, etc. once in a while, but overall our fanbase will just do us in. This undying need to compare with Ole Miss, and absolutely zero introspection as to what works for us.

But you just show how dumb you really are by saying that I hate Lebby for some unknown reason.

 

[Bulldawg77]

Ooooookay.....

I could care less about Lebby. I don't like our decision-making at MSU, and I don't like the collective attitude of our football fanbase. I think those things are what hold us back more than anything. SO....realizing that will never change, I decided to change myself, and just see MSU football for what it is.....entertainment. Sure, we'll get an AD or a coach, etc. once in a while, but overall our fanbase will just do us in. This undying need to compare with Ole Miss, and absolutely zero introspection as to what works for us.

But you just show how dumb you really are by saying that I hate Lebby for some unknown reason.

Please tell us more about decisions makers? What is the attitude of the collective you’ve mentioned. Let’s air out what your talking about and we can discuss

 

[HuntDawg]

Please tell us more about decisions makers? What is the attitude of the collective you’ve mentioned. Let’s air out what your talking about and we can discuss

He’s a cigar bag man. He knows all. He mentioned he’s very much in the know with all msu money happenings

 

[Bulldawg77]

He’s a cigar bag man. He knows all. He mentioned he’s very much in the know with all msu money happenings

He knows nothin. He wants to be in the know but every time he mentions something as fact I overturn it with actual facts.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

He knows nothin. He wants to be in the know but every time he mentions something as fact I overturn it with actual facts.

LOL, quote me some facts you’ve posted.

 

[HuntDawg]

LOL, quote me some facts you’ve posted.

He’s awful. Sad thing is, his knowledge on subjects like this is still better than his knowledge of sports..,., and he literally knows nothing about sports past the 8 year old level.

when he gets pressed on issue he rambles.. bc there’s no substance behind it…

he ain’t the goat.. he’s Joe Biden. Still living in the past and pushing agendas that have zero reasoning behind it

 

[OG Goat Holder]

He’s awful. Sad thing is, his knowledge on subjects like this is still better than his knowledge of sports..,., and he literally knows nothing about sports past the 8 year old level.

when he gets pressed on issue he rambles.. bc there’s no substance behind it…

he ain’t the goat.. he’s Joe Biden. Still living in the past and pushing agendas that have zero reasoning behind it

First of all, learn to reply.

Secondly, we all know why you said 8 year old sports. Because you were proven to be completely full of shlt. Like, pwn3d.

Thirdly, are you still the DBag who thinks my user name is an acronym?

 

[HuntDawg]

First of all, learn to reply.

Secondly, we all know why you said 8 year old sports. Because you were proven to be completely full of shlt. Like, pwn3d.

Thirdly, are you still the DBag who thinks my user name is an acronym?

Pwned? Is this you trying to use the term like mid?

8 year old is where you fit in best.. and no never thought your user name meant anything… but Sleepy Joe Biden would fit you well. Same out of date thoughts and agendas

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Pwned? Is this you trying to use the term like mid?

8 year old is where you fit in best.. and no never thought your user name meant anything… but Sleepy Joe Biden would fit you well. Same out of date thoughts and agendas

Yayuh mayun

 

[mstateglfr]

Like, pwn3d.

term like mid?

You are both gentlemen of Sixpack. Act your age.

 

[Bulldawg77]

LOL, quote me some facts you’ve posted.

Facts we actually did do well in the portal. You said we had no chance and couldn’t compete into today’s NIL and transfer portal world. We beat out a bunch of P6 SEC teams for both HS and portal players. You laid out kids that left the program and stated as it was fact they left for NIL money wrong again goat. In fact one Ellington we brought back from the portal.
Now if you don’t mind answer the question so we can have a conversation about what your issues is with the way athletics and especially football are being run at state Whats your issue with the collective?
Selman has done more good for our football program and athletics in general in his 18/24 months than cohen did in 6 years.

 

[goodknight]

College sports are ruined for ever. No rules, no control, no cap, NCAA has no enforcement and will cease to exist in its current form before our eyes. In the end the sports that survive will be fewer and as a whole with less opportunities for kids coming out of HS. It was fun while it lasted!

 

[RopeDawg]

Just cause you keep repeating this doesn’t make it true… I’m glad we actually have people in our fan base see the NIL and portal as a good thing for us and not a disadvantage.

What more will it take for you and others to believe this. Honest question.. maybe go listen to Charlie on the thunder and lightning pod since you don’t believe what I say .

It’s not a good thing. At least when it was under the table there was an understood agreement not to get carried away (Ole Miss) or the NCAA and other programs are going to make your life hell and come after you. Now it’s just free rein with no limits where the highest bidder wins and we are working with a much smaller war chest than everyone else in our conference.

I mean those are facts man. I hate it but it’s reality.