NIL Socialism

Benjdan

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Alright so this is borderline acceptable on this site but here goes. Wouldn’t it make more sense to take all NIL money raised and evenly distribute it across the board for all 85 scholarship players? Is that not what the University’s agenda favors and what this generation of kids stand for? It would only make sense from them to walk the line for what they stand for. Just a random Sat am thought 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

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Logical thinking is not allowed.
Players are Capitalists , not Socialists - makes that a difficult transition.
 

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I have no idea what "this generation" would stand for, but conflating one's right to profit off their name, image, and likeness for a right to profit off others' names, images, and likenesses, would seem to be just a different version of what was happening in the pre-NIL era.
 
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Alright so this is borderline acceptable on this site but here goes. Wouldn’t it make more sense to take all NIL money raised and evenly distribute it across the board for all 85 scholarship players? Is that not what the University’s agenda favors and what this generation of kids stand for? It would only make sense from them to walk the line for what they stand for. Just a random Sat am thought 🤷🏻‍♂️
This is what a lot of schools are doing to establish a base NIL pay. Plus the elite players get their pot increased based on production.
 

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This is what a lot of schools are doing to establish a base NIL pay. Plus the elite players get their pot increased based on production.
This makes perfect sense, if the elite players realize it's a team game and their production is dependent on other team members help.
 
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Alright so this is borderline acceptable on this site but here goes. Wouldn’t it make more sense to take all NIL money raised and evenly distribute it across the board for all 85 scholarship players? Is that not what the University’s agenda favors and what this generation of kids stand for? It would only make sense from them to walk the line for what they stand for. Just a random Sat am thought 🤷🏻‍♂️
I actually agree and have been a proponent of that all along simply because I don't look at it as 85+ individuals... I look at it as one team. So I don't see it as socialism. But hey, the cat's out the bag now. Not sure it can be put back in.
 

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This makes perfect sense, if the elite players realize it's a team game and their production is dependent on other team members help.
Example .. I think it was Nike who would give ever OL that signed with Oregon 65k per year plus more if said player was chosen all-conference / all-American. I am sure each position has a different base NIL pay .

The 65k was back when NIL first started probably more now.
 

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This makes perfect sense, if the elite players realize it's a team game and their production is dependent on other team members help.
Have you got some published information on this? I'm not trying to put you on the spot, but I would like to further educate myself on how this "system" works.
 

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Have you got some published information on this? I'm not trying to put you on the spot, but I would like to further educate myself on how this "system" works.
Here is some of what I've been reading - would be interested in hearing your thoughts and takeaways.
 
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I have no idea what "this generation" would stand for, but conflating one's right to profit off their name, image, and likeness for a right to profit off others' names, images, and likenesses, would seem to be just a different version of what was happening in the pre-NIL era.
They aren’t profiting of their NIL, they profiting off the fans desire for their team to succeed. No one is buying cars cause Juice drove it. Who holds the spot light? ESPN don’t care if people are in the stands. They can fill them in digitally.
 

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I am opposed to it, but if it must exist, it must do exactly what the name says. Give athletes an opportunity to profit from their name, image, and likeness. If they’re good to get endorsements from that, let them get as much as they can.
 

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Here is some of what I've been reading - would be interested in hearing your thoughts and takeaways.
Thanks. I'll be looking at some of this in my spare time.
 

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I am opposed to it, but if it must exist, it must do exactly what the name says. Give athletes an opportunity to profit from their name, image, and likeness. If they’re good to get endorsements from that, let them get as much as they can.
And let the schools or their representatives stay out of it altogether. Let it work strictly along market principles, based upon the player's own marketability.
 
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And let the schools or their representatives stay out of it altogether. Let it work strictly along market principles, based upon the player's own marketability.
Capitalism!

The problem, of course, is how many players in all of college football really have the opportunity to profit much from their name, image, and likeness? A few? I don’t particularly see it as a problem. If you can profit, then profit. If you can’t, tough luck.
 

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Capitalism!

The problem, of course, is how many players in all of college football really have the opportunity to profit much from their name, image, and likeness? A few? I don’t particularly see it as a problem. If you can profit, then profit. If you can’t, tough luck.
That's right. Do like Spencer: take the linemen out to Hall's once in awhile.
 

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Capitalism!

The problem, of course, is how many players in all of college football really have the opportunity to profit much from their name, image, and likeness? A few? I don’t particularly see it as a problem. If you can profit, then profit. If you can’t, tough luck.

I think the answer is only a handful at the most could garner any real NIL money if you’re talking pure capitalism. They just aren’t that marketable. For comparison’s sake, look at how many NFL players you see in commercials, print ads, etc. There’s only a handful of NFL stars that you see. And they’re actually good!

There is a market for college players, but it’s more like $1,000 here and there to sign autographs and such.
 

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I think the answer is only a handful at the most could garner any real NIL money if you’re talking pure capitalism. They just aren’t that marketable. For comparison’s sake, look at how many NFL players you see in commercials, print ads, etc. There’s only a handful of NFL stars that you see. And they’re actually good!

There is a market for college players, but it’s more like $1,000 here and there to sign autographs and such.
To get them on the field at certain schools, some are extremely overvalued.
 

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This situation is likely to end up with all players being payed employees to even the playing field
 

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I despise socialism but that would not be true socialism, which results in economic disaster. There is more fairness than anything in your proposal - better than what we have now,
 
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These activist college age kids live to give your money away, but heaven forbid they have to contribute! There is another video by that same guy asking if their tuition should be paid off and they all agree, but not a single one want to give any of their paycheck towards helping fellow students! It is all BS!
 
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I actually agree and have been a proponent of that all along simply because I don't look at it as 85+ individuals... I look at it as one team. So I don't see it as socialism. But hey, the cat's out the bag now. Not sure it can be put back in.
It is out of the bag and for all those NIL proponents....please don't say a word about any defections we have. College football is ruined as long as this persists.....there is really no argument. If you think the NFL is better now than in 1992 (for example)...then you probably do love NIL...but you are still wrong.
 
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The son of a guy I work with is a wrestler and just got a scholarship offer from OK. The actual scholarship is only about 25%. Then he gets about $2K monthly in "NIL" money from the boosters. The offer came in like this:
Wrestling Scholarship: $15k (some of you may know how limited scholarships are in any sport but football)
Academic Scholarship: $10k (he's a smart kid)
NIL (no description of where the $ comes from): $20K - literally just said "you'll get monthly checks

Big schools are just pooling money and give it away to some athletes.
 

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The son of a guy I work with is a wrestler and just got a scholarship offer from OK. The actual scholarship is only about 25%. Then he gets about $2K monthly in "NIL" money from the boosters. The offer came in like this:
Wrestling Scholarship: $15k (some of you may know how limited scholarships are in any sport but football)
Academic Scholarship: $10k (he's a smart kid)
NIL (no description of where the $ comes from): $20K - literally just said "you'll get monthly checks

Big schools are just pooling money and give it away to some athletes.
Mike Gundy did an interview this week and said every player on their roster gets 1000/1200 a month. The big guys get more.

Probably keeps down dissent, but didn't help much for them today. I guess they all go down together.
 

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It is out of the bag and for all those NIL proponents....please don't say a word about any defections we have. College football is ruined as long as this persists.....there is really no argument. If you think the NFL is better now than in 1992 (for example)...then you probably do love NIL...but you are still wrong.
NFL su-ks and NCAAF is following in their footsteps.
 

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Socialism is a type of government, not spreading money equally to participants who agree to spread the money evenly.
 
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They aren’t profiting of their NIL, they profiting off the fans desire for their team to succeed. No one is buying cars cause Juice drove it. Who holds the spot light? ESPN don’t care if people are in the stands. They can fill them in digitally.
Yes, I understand that. The reason we're here is because of the legal fiction that they are profiting off of their NIL. If you attempt to limit a player's ability to do that to his fullest extent, by requiring NIL earnings to be split equally among teammates, sooner or later, somebody will sue again and likely with the same result. A payor can establish an equal-share distribution among teammates if he wants to, but you're not going to be able to restrict players from negotiating independent deals with payors/boosters. Chaos will still reign.
 

Blues man

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It is out of the bag and for all those NIL proponents....please don't say a word about any defections we have. College football is ruined as long as this persists.....there is really no argument. If you think the NFL is better now than in 1992 (for example)...then you probably do love NIL...but you are still wrong.
I was always on the side of a player in the past. I was against sitting out a year for transfers when that was the rule. For instance I believed guys should be able to transfer without penalty if say their coach leaves. I had to rethink that stance when money became a factor. Guys leaving for more money in college sports is just plain wrong imo. Now I want to see sitting out a year back as a rule. It's probably the easiest thing we can do to undo some of this mess anyway, I can't think of the players interests anymore when imo it destroys the sport itself.