Nippon Steel acquires US Steel for $14.1 B.

Aug 27, 2023
59
117
33
I found this to be interesting
 

PSUFTG2

Well-known member
Jul 1, 2023
700
1,569
93
I found this to be interesting
FWIW:

The US produces about 5% of the steel worldwide (China produces over 1/2 - and India and Japan each produce more than the US. As does the EU, if taken as a whole).
US steel production is around 50% less than it was 50 years ago... during which time worldwide production has more than tripled (so it is not as if the market is not there)

What does that all mean? Everyone will have their own interpretation, of course.
 

BobPSU92

Well-known member
Oct 12, 2021
17,609
26,614
113
FWIW:

The US produces about 5% of the steel worldwide (China produces over 1/2 - and India and Japan each produce more than the US. As does the EU, if taken as a whole).
US steel production is around 50% less than it was 50 years ago... during which time worldwide production has more than tripled (so it is not as if the market is not there)

What does that all mean? Everyone will have their own interpretation, of course.

 

Metal Mike

Member
Oct 28, 2021
134
223
43
In my opinion 3 areas contributed to the downturn in US steel industry.
1. Union demands. Unions got very good health care plans for workers. Very good vacation plans to include a six month paid vacation every 6 years in addition to annual paid vacation.
2. EPA regulations. Places like China did not have the added expense of conforming to EPA regs.
3. Poor management. At one point in the late 60's US Steel made more money from real estate than making steel. Management concentrated on making money in the short term and neglected new technologies.

I think there is only 1 steel mill in Pittsburgh. The Edger Thompson works of US Steel.

Bonus question (without looking it up) Who was Edger Thompson?
 

Tom_PSU

Well-known member
Oct 29, 2021
1,125
3,563
113
The geniuses that run this country have decided we don’t need steel mills, machine shops and other manufacturing facilities. We can buy all those things from foreign suppliers, thus allowing us to concentrate on phone apps, social media site development and TV game show production.

However, if we somehow go to war with those countries they may selfishly decide to stop providing us products. The brain trust hasn’t figured that part out yet. But I’m certain our best minds are hard at work on this potentially annoying detail.
 

PSUFTG2

Well-known member
Jul 1, 2023
700
1,569
93
So how much did Surma take home?
Total annual comp from USS was into the 8 figures per year, at least in some years. (Under his watch, US Steel market cap dropped by 90%, FWIW)
At the same time, he was collecting fees as a member of the Board for other enterprises - total comp from these concurrent endeavors likely in the 7 figures.

After his tenure at US Steel, he was named as the Chief of one of the Federal Reserve Banks (Cleveland?).
Not sure how much that pays... but given his stellar performance for US Steel, its shareholders, and employees, one can hardly hesitate to applaud such an appointment for the benefit of the Nation.
 

Hugh Laurie

Well-known member
Oct 6, 2021
391
549
93
Total annual comp from USS was into the 8 figures per year, at least in some years. (Under his watch, US Steel market cap dropped by 90%, FWIW)
At the same time, he was collecting fees as a member of the Board for other enterprises - total comp from these concurrent endeavors likely in the 7 figures.

After his tenure at US Steel, he was named as the Chief of one of the Federal Reserve Banks (Cleveland?).
Not sure how much that pays... but given his stellar performance for US Steel, its shareholders, and employees, one can hardly hesitate to applaud such an appointment for the benefit of the Nation.

He took a big pay cut when he went to work at the Fed.

Compensation of Fed Reserve employees.
 

LB99

Well-known member
Oct 27, 2021
6,447
8,515
113
In my opinion 3 areas contributed to the downturn in US steel industry.
1. Union demands. Unions got very good health care plans for workers. Very good vacation plans to include a six month paid vacation every 6 years in addition to annual paid vacation.
2. EPA regulations. Places like China did not have the added expense of conforming to EPA regs.
3. Poor management. At one point in the late 60's US Steel made more money from real estate than making steel. Management concentrated on making money in the short term and neglected new technologies.

I think there is only 1 steel mill in Pittsburgh. The Edger Thompson works of US Steel.

Bonus question (without looking it up) Who was Edger Thompson?
Not sure, but I know who Edgar Snyder is.
 

BW Lion

Well-known member
Oct 14, 2021
3,103
2,436
113
National security issue, imo.
In a time of extreme crisis (ie war) the Fed Gov. can effectively take over private manufacturing via presidential Executive orders to only produce goods sellable to the Federal Government.
 

GrimReaper

Well-known member
Oct 12, 2021
6,419
8,872
113
In a time of extreme crisis (ie war) the Fed Gov. can effectively take over private manufacturing via presidential Executive orders to only produce goods sellable to the Federal Government.
Yup. It's not as if the Japanese owners can disassemble the mills and ship them home.
 

ps_1294

Active member
Oct 12, 2021
178
332
63
In my opinion 3 areas contributed to the downturn in US steel industry.
1. Union demands. Unions got very good health care plans for workers. Very good vacation plans to include a six month paid vacation every 6 years in addition to annual paid vacation.
2. EPA regulations. Places like China did not have the added expense of conforming to EPA regs.
3. Poor management. At one point in the late 60's US Steel made more money from real estate than making steel. Management concentrated on making money in the short term and neglected new technologies.

I think there is only 1 steel mill in Pittsburgh. The Edger Thompson works of US Steel.

Bonus question (without looking it up) Who was Edger Thompson?
I worked at a USS plant in Vandergrift, PA in the late 60’s. Three summers during my time at Penn State. One summer in the plant….very hot, dirty and exhausting…..then two years in Engineering. That plant closed in 80’s and is now an ATI plant (Allegheny Ludlum in the old days).

Edgar Thomson (no ‘p’) wasn’t even a steel person. He was head of the Pennsylvania Railroad. He helped design Horseshoe Curve near Altoona.
 

DaytonRickster

Well-known member
Oct 25, 2021
868
986
93
FWIW:

The US produces about 5% of the steel worldwide (China produces over 1/2 - and India and Japan each produce more than the US. As does the EU, if taken as a whole).
US steel production is around 50% less than it was 50 years ago... during which time worldwide production has more than tripled (so it is not as if the market is not there)

What does that all mean? Everyone will have their own interpretation, of course.
It means it is a national security strategic problem for the U.S. when your primary adversary (China) produces 1/2 of the world's steel.
 

Lion84

Well-known member
Oct 7, 2021
404
598
93
In my opinion 3 areas contributed to the downturn in US steel industry.
1. Union demands. Unions got very good health care plans for workers. Very good vacation plans to include a six month paid vacation every 6 years in addition to annual paid vacation.
2. EPA regulations. Places like China did not have the added expense of conforming to EPA regs.
3. Poor management. At one point in the late 60's US Steel made more money from real estate than making steel. Management concentrated on making money in the short term and neglected new technologies.

I think there is only 1 steel mill in Pittsburgh. The Edger Thompson works of US Steel.

Bonus question (without looking it up) Who was Edger Thompson?
I would add that the Japanese also participated in predator pricing and flooded the US and International markets with Steel at below cost to drive domestic producers out of business.
 
  • Like
Reactions: WestSideLion
Get unlimited access today.

Pick the right plan for you.

Already a member? Login