No Gettysburg Address thread yesterday? Tom, you're slipping.

TiogaLion

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I'm picking up the flag for Tom's lack of attention.


Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Abraham Lincoln
November 19, 1863
 

Tom McAndrew

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I've talked about the address in several posts, but I don't believe I ever made a post solely about the Gettysburg Address. Nice post by you.
 

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I'm picking up the flag for Tom's lack of attention.


Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Abraham Lincoln
November 19, 1863

Lincoln would be on my Mt. Rushmore of Presidents.

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BrucePa

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Our country has been blessed with some great oration, and this speech ranks with the best.

On MLK Day, make a pledge to listen to the "I have a dream" speech. Also make room in your life for Lou Gehrig's "I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of the earth." I cry like a baby every time I listen to it. Kennedy's "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country." We don't have a shortage of great speeches to remind us of who we are.
 

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Our country has been blessed with some great oration, and this speech ranks with the best.

On MLK Day, make a pledge to listen to the "I have a dream" speech. Also make room in your life for Lou Gehrig's "I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of the earth." I cry like a baby every time I listen to it. Kennedy's "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country." We don't have a shortage of great speeches to remind us of who we are.

Nothing beats Mora and “Playoff?!”
 
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manatree

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Our country has been blessed with some great oration, and this speech ranks with the best.

In my opinion, this ranks with some of the best as a written piece, but not so much as oration. Many news reports, not just the Patriot News, had less than favorable, or mediocre at best, reviews of Lincoln’s actual speech at Gettysburg. It was only after many years and with the benefit of historical perspective that it achieved its hallowed status.
 

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In my opinion, this ranks with some of the best as a written piece, but not so much as oration. Many news reports, not just the Patriot News, had less than favorable, or mediocre at best, reviews of Lincoln’s actual speech at Gettysburg. It was only after many years and with the benefit of historical perspective that it achieved its hallowed status.

 
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Lincoln’s Second Inaugural Address still stuns with its eloquence.
As does Ernies Texas lunch right off Lincoln square

 

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OR, the reactions of some working for 'news' organizations in 1863 underline a fact that persists to this day; your average 'journalist' is highly partisan, stupid, and lazy. Much like of your personal hero’s today, the 'press' reaction to the speech was largely along partisan lines. OThe hard left leaning papers of the day (Chicago Times, The Harrisburg Patriot & Union,his post etc.) slammed it as 'flat and dish watery' and 'silly'. Those who tended to support Lincoln (The NY Times, etc.) praised it and published it.l

Edward Everett spoke for nearly two hours prior to Lincoln's address. He was a well known, well respected, orator, minister, and politician (president of Harvard, Secretary of State, etc.) of the Civil War era. The next day he wrote to Lincoln saying, "I should be glad if I could flatter myself that I came as near to the central idea of the occasion, in two hours, as you did in two minutes." I think I'll trust Everett on this one.

Mr. Lincoln is one of my personal heroes. I read and re-read the Rhe republicanSecond Inaugural and Gettysburg Address often. These are two of the most perfect speeches ever written, anywhere, by anyone. Perhaps it should be mentioned that Lincoln was suffering from small pox when he wrote and delivered this address. Even while feeling his worst, Lincoln was one of the best ever. I teach in Gettysburg off and on and have had the honor of being at the National Cemetery on many occasions. I am in awe of its significance.

It was mentioned above that he was a 'tyrant'. This argument can be made. Lincoln was not a simple man; he could be highly reflective as well as ruthless and cold. He did not shy away from the war at all, and he ended up making some significant mistakes. It was his ability to be highly resolute that earned him the 'tyrant' label from some. He suspended habeas corpus, he had some politicians and 'journalists' arrested, jailed, and even deported, among other things. He was laser focused on preserving the union, and he ended up doing things that no President had ever done to do so. This ability to tune out much of the noise of the day, and remain honed in on the only thing he thought really mattered in the end, the preservation of the union, is what I admire most in him.
Wow! So Lincoln is one of your personal heros! How original!
The most pompous post ever.
PS: The Republicans who supported Lincoln were considered radical or hard left in their day.
 
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