Now I say hire Cohen
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He allows his players to act like jackasses. I don't mind anything he said in the postgame, but when you add in the fact that he does nothing to stop his players from going WOOOOO every 10 seconds and has his Friday night starter (who didn't dress due to injury) have to be escorted from the stadium because he was heckling the Ole Miss bench, then yes, I would say he rubs people the wrong way.
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I can't believe that they get upset when the other team is going "WOOO" and they have one of the most emotional teams in the SEC. (Cue RebelBruiser)
I don't know what they are talking about with the sour grapes thing either. I guess they are mad because he didn't kiss their *** enough?
I don't know what they are talking about with the sour grapes thing either. I guess they are mad because he didn't kiss their *** enough?
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He's obviously a good coach but he does have a hint of classless jackass in him. How bout you take a loss like a man and admit you just got beat. We got two great swings off that resulted in 8 runs? Of course he didn't mention that our errors kept them in the game. He said they killed us all night with sliders yet we had double digit hits and 8 runs? They have 2 unearned runs plus a lucky bloop hit that gave them three runs. Yet they were the better team?
On top of that a couple of his players that didn't dress (including injured friday night starter) got tossed from the stadium for heckling the OM dugout. Why wouldn't they sit with their own fans behind their own dugout with their own team? Oh that's right so they could be jackasses and annoy our fans and team. You would think he would control his players.
Just man up and freakin give the other team some credit instead of saying they "got 2 good swings off". Like I said there's no debating he's a good coach and recruiter, but he's got some ********** in him.
On top of that a couple of his players that didn't dress (including injured friday night starter) got tossed from the stadium for heckling the OM dugout. Why wouldn't they sit with their own fans behind their own dugout with their own team? Oh that's right so they could be jackasses and annoy our fans and team. You would think he would control his players.
Just man up and freakin give the other team some credit instead of saying they "got 2 good swings off". Like I said there's no debating he's a good coach and recruiter, but he's got some ********** in him.
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</p>Did an umpire eject him or did the police? Why would an umpire kick a player out of the game for heckling? Or even better, why would the police take a player out of the dugout for heckling?
And the truth is it was probably someone like Carroll and Rusin probably took the heat for it because he couldn't play anyway.
I do remember them saying during the game that a couple of Ole Miss fans had to be escorted, but I have no idea what happened. I just kind of assumed that they were being asses and went over the top, or an usher went on a power trip.
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So, the guys that got ejected were sitting in the stands.
Every team does this- especially pitchers when they aren't going to play. They were more than likely charting pitches and getting velocity readings with a radar gun. (Here again, just guessing, as I wasn't there.)
Now, I'm going to guess that the UK players got into it with some Ole Miss fans or bench? (I'll take your word on it I guess, I just think that the fans scenario is more likely), the Ole Miss fans didn't like it and threatened to kick their *** or something and then the police got involved.
Also, why are you so upset that the guy said that his team buried you with sliders? You obviously won. What do you want him to say, that you're the greatest thing that ever graced a diamond? Who cares what the other coach says when you win?</p>
Every team does this- especially pitchers when they aren't going to play. They were more than likely charting pitches and getting velocity readings with a radar gun. (Here again, just guessing, as I wasn't there.)
Now, I'm going to guess that the UK players got into it with some Ole Miss fans or bench? (I'll take your word on it I guess, I just think that the fans scenario is more likely), the Ole Miss fans didn't like it and threatened to kick their *** or something and then the police got involved.
Also, why are you so upset that the guy said that his team buried you with sliders? You obviously won. What do you want him to say, that you're the greatest thing that ever graced a diamond? Who cares what the other coach says when you win?</p>
I'll give you a response since you asked. Have you heard this WOO crap they do? Basically, when the opposing team is pitching, the players in their dugout chant WOO over and over to try to distract the other pitcher, especially if they get men on or the pitcher falls behind in the count. It sounds like something a softball team would do.
Here is a link (Click on the audio for our game last night and go to about the 16:50 mark. Listen for a minute, and you'll hear it a few times in the background. Then after the inning is over, you can hear our fans in attendance mocking them.):
http://secsports.com/index.php?s=&u..._id=11143&url_subchannel_id=&change_well_id=2
If it was just their fans, it would be annoying, but the fact that it comes from their dugout is pretty gay.
Here is a link (Click on the audio for our game last night and go to about the 16:50 mark. Listen for a minute, and you'll hear it a few times in the background. Then after the inning is over, you can hear our fans in attendance mocking them.):
http://secsports.com/index.php?s=&u..._id=11143&url_subchannel_id=&change_well_id=2
If it was just their fans, it would be annoying, but the fact that it comes from their dugout is pretty gay.
No, it was UK fans (including Rusin) sitting behind out dugout. He was not dressed for the game, and he and whoever else, probably some other players, were sitting behind our dugout heckling our players.
They assumed it was Ole Miss fans on the broadcast, because they were on our side of the stadium, but it was actually Rusin and some other guys.
By the way, I do think hiring Cohen would be a good move. He's a jerk, but that doesn't mean he's a bad coach. People hate Steve Spurrier and Nick Saban, but both are very good coaches. You don't have to be likeable to be good at your job. In reality, after Polk, it would probably be a good thing for MSU to get a coach like Cohen who has some fire and some jackass in him. Your players obviously are too lax about the game and take too much of a "that's baseball" approach.
For the record, I do believe there are situations where "that's baseball" does apply, and it happens often. However, your players and coaches can't really take that kind of approach. You have to assume that everything that happens is something you can control.
They assumed it was Ole Miss fans on the broadcast, because they were on our side of the stadium, but it was actually Rusin and some other guys.
By the way, I do think hiring Cohen would be a good move. He's a jerk, but that doesn't mean he's a bad coach. People hate Steve Spurrier and Nick Saban, but both are very good coaches. You don't have to be likeable to be good at your job. In reality, after Polk, it would probably be a good thing for MSU to get a coach like Cohen who has some fire and some jackass in him. Your players obviously are too lax about the game and take too much of a "that's baseball" approach.
For the record, I do believe there are situations where "that's baseball" does apply, and it happens often. However, your players and coaches can't really take that kind of approach. You have to assume that everything that happens is something you can control.
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I know he's a good coach and I think he will make state better (who couldn't at this point...no offense). I think he should be up there at the top of your list along with Casey and Corbin (don't know how realistic those are but I would think you could almost draw anyone you wanted. My point is just that he's a jackass and is going to piss some people off. The thing that was the worst were his players sitting over there and getting kicked out. And that if he gets the job he's going to be perceived to be a whiny *****. I really believe that stuf like this is what rubbed polk the wrong way with Cohen. **** like whining about getting beat and saying you are the better team when you got beat is classless. There is just no reason for it.
...they probably wouldn't have even come to the game. So if I have to pick one of the two extremes, I'm in favor of supporting the team and trying to get under the other team's skin vs. complete apathy. You've got to understand where we are coming from.
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and I agree, best thing to do after you lose is just keep your mouth shut and leave. I wouldn't even do an interview.
Tough to see that side of the coin for me right now though.
Tough to see that side of the coin for me right now though.
That's baseball.
I guess they do it to get under the other team's skin, and I guess it at least worked on your fans.
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I guess they do it to get under the other team's skin, and I guess it at least worked on your fans.
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You can only have 25 in the dugout, and since Rusin is hurt, he wasn't in the dugout. He and whoever he was with, actually went over to the Ole Miss side of the stadium and started heckling our dugout.
I don't mind yelling at a pitcher he has a no hitter. I don't mind players talking smack. I do mind a pitcher not in the game walking behind the opposing teams dugout and being escorted out of the stadium because he was heckling the opposing teams dugout. Can you imagine if while A-Rod was on the DL, he had been escorted out of Yankee Stadium because he went behind the Red Sox dugout and started heckling the coaches and players?
Have you even heard the WOOOOO crap? Twice this season umpires have told the UK bench that they had to shut up. Ya'll give our fans a hard time for the "Throw it in the dirt" chant. This is way more obnoxious and its coming from the players. </p>
I don't mind yelling at a pitcher he has a no hitter. I don't mind players talking smack. I do mind a pitcher not in the game walking behind the opposing teams dugout and being escorted out of the stadium because he was heckling the opposing teams dugout. Can you imagine if while A-Rod was on the DL, he had been escorted out of Yankee Stadium because he went behind the Red Sox dugout and started heckling the coaches and players?
Have you even heard the WOOOOO crap? Twice this season umpires have told the UK bench that they had to shut up. Ya'll give our fans a hard time for the "Throw it in the dirt" chant. This is way more obnoxious and its coming from the players. </p>
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Makes no difference to me what he said. I'm just explaining why people don't like him or what he said. If this game were b/w state and om, state fans would be talking about it the same way. It rubs people the wrong way because he is essentially downplaying our teams ability. Saying we were the better team, they got two good swings off implies you know this little poor team just got lucky to beat a dominant team like us. He goes on to give his regional projections making sure everyone knows that he didn't think OM deserved to be in the tournament prior to that win. He just goes out of his way to put down our team when it isn't necessary and is just sour grapes.
The players were heckling the OM players in the dugout as reported by people at the event. I can't say for sure as I wasn't there.
The players were heckling the OM players in the dugout as reported by people at the event. I can't say for sure as I wasn't there.
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was yet we had double digit hits and 8 runs
Oh how you Rebels take for granted that double digit hits translate into runs...that would have been a low hit total for us this year and look how well that turned out
Oh how you Rebels take for granted that double digit hits translate into runs...that would have been a low hit total for us this year and look how well that turned out
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1) John Cohen
2) Brian O'Connor
3) Steve Smith (3rd because of age, but if he brings his whole staff, he becomes #1)
2) Brian O'Connor
3) Steve Smith (3rd because of age, but if he brings his whole staff, he becomes #1)
No one else but Ole Miss fans are capable of acting like jackasses.
Seriously, go ask Vandy or UT fans about the WOOOO **** and how UK players act. The umpire at the UT/UK series apparently told Cohen that if his team didn't shut up, every single one of them was going to be ejected and his team would have to forfeit the game.
(Note: That is a rumor from a message board, the only known fact is that the ump called time, brought Cohen out and said something to him and the UK players shut up for the rest of the weekend).
I'm not trying to convince you he is a bad coach, hes not, hes a good coach. I respect State fan's appreciation of baseball and baseball culture. I just hope if you hire him, you won't allow the State players to act like a bunch of jackasses. </p>
Seriously, go ask Vandy or UT fans about the WOOOO **** and how UK players act. The umpire at the UT/UK series apparently told Cohen that if his team didn't shut up, every single one of them was going to be ejected and his team would have to forfeit the game.
(Note: That is a rumor from a message board, the only known fact is that the ump called time, brought Cohen out and said something to him and the UK players shut up for the rest of the weekend).
I'm not trying to convince you he is a bad coach, hes not, hes a good coach. I respect State fan's appreciation of baseball and baseball culture. I just hope if you hire him, you won't allow the State players to act like a bunch of jackasses. </p>
That woo-ing stuff is extremely bush league. The way to handle another team doing bush league crap like that is to put a fastball between their shoulder blades.
In other words you want an emotional train wreck. You know you guys might hate Polk, but there is something to his attitude about never getting too up or too down. The baseball season is a long one filled with close plays that can go either way. If you are an emotional type of guy you might put jerseys up in your dugout proclaiming how many wins you still need. No, give me a level-headed coach who understands baseball is a marathon, not a sprint.
an annoying chant done by fans in the stands is exactly the same thing as an SEC baseball team acting like they're playing in a Dixie Youth League game when they're in the dugout.
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That doesnt make this OM quote any less ridiculous. Seriously who comes up with this stupid ****?</p>
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</p>It's middle distance--definitely not a marathon. There are only so many out of conference games that you can blow and you need to be sharp on the weekends. Polk seems to always be pacing himself and his team. Go out and win! Use 6 pitchers in one game if that's what it takes. We always seem to have the entire bullpen ready for the Sunday game after we've already dropped the Friday and Saturday games. If you have a 3-0 pitch with a runner on third, go after it! If you can't smash the hell out of a fastball over the heart of the plate, you don't need to be playing baseball here.
I'm so hungry for someone that is aggressive and takes the game to the other team, that I could almost care less if our coach is a psycho. Cohen is competitive to the very end and never accepts defeat. The dude is awesome and we'd be lucky to get him.
years started it. He did all by his lonesome the first few years. As the team got better, most of the people in his section started doing it with him. Now, they all do it. I just hate it when some idiot tries to do it at the wrong time. Almost as bad as an untimely "Hotty Toddy".
I do think it sounds silly when a handful of people are doing it. But, when the whole stadium is answering with "Dirt" in unison, it sounds pretty cool. If you're in the outfield, all you hear is "Dirt!.........Dirt!........Dirt!..." etc.. And, it actually seems to work occasionally as far as getting in the pitcher's head.
Anyway, the woo thing is almost unbearable. I didn't even care for it when our fans were mocking them last night.
I do think it sounds silly when a handful of people are doing it. But, when the whole stadium is answering with "Dirt" in unison, it sounds pretty cool. If you're in the outfield, all you hear is "Dirt!.........Dirt!........Dirt!..." etc.. And, it actually seems to work occasionally as far as getting in the pitcher's head.
Anyway, the woo thing is almost unbearable. I didn't even care for it when our fans were mocking them last night.
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would play right into UK's hands. Cohen teaches his players to dive over the plate. Remember? (Sarcasm)
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To be fair, it's not before every pitch. He usually saves it for situations when there is a runner on third, when the pitcher has fallen behind in the count, or when a rally has started.
And again, it's a little different, because it's not coming from our dugout. It's coming from a fan.
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