Offseason coaching changes?

[18IsTheMan]

I think we all agree/accept that Beamer is likely going to be back next year. Unless the administration is going with my 10-year contract recommendation, next year will be probably be a hot seat for him. That being the case, it seems there are coaching changes that have to be made. Chief among those is obviously Teasley. I thought he should have been canned last year, but folks on here told me he really was a good coach and I would see I was wrong once the OL was healthy this year. Well, we are healthy and the OL is still a major Achille's for us. This, to me, is a slam dunk, no-brainer. But it was last year as well.

Here's the big question: with his head coaching tenure likely hanging in the balance, does he ride with Loggains? Arguments can be made the offense has been knee capped by the bad OL play, and there is probably some merit to that. Also, if you bring in your 3rd OC in 5 years, you're introducing a new scheme and all that and you've only got one season to get it right. I don't think Loggains has been that good, but the OL has been worse. If he chooses to replace Loggains, he needs to make a slam dunk hire. He needs to hire someone where everyone says "that makes sense".

Jury is still out on Furrey (it rhymes!). The WRs have not excelled, but there's not much to work with at WR this year. He wasn't our first choice but I don't think WR has been a glaring deficiency relative to the offense as a whole.

I think White has pulled a nice turnaround this year with the D, so he's safe.

Others?

 

[92Pony]

Quite frankly, I would be surprised if Beamer makes any changes at season's-end. (One can hope, but....) He's proven himself to be stubborn and resistant to change.... If, IF, we get any changes, I full-well expect another failure of a hire(s) - someone we've never heard of before, with a dismal track record. With all the people supposedly blowing up his phone, wanting his jobs, he's made poor to questionable-at-best hires.
Next season, when we lose a ton of experience and talent up front (on D), we'll see if White continues to lead the defense in a positive direction, or if it reverts to early '23 form....

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

Quite frankly, I would be surprised if Beamer makes any changes at season's-end. (One can hope, but....) He's proven himself to be stubborn and resistant to change.... If, IF, we get any changes, I full-well expect another failure of a hire(s) - someone we've never heard of before, with a dismal track record. With all the people supposedly blowing up his phone, wanting his jobs, he's made poor to questionable-at-best hires.
Next season, when we lose a ton of experience and talent up front (on D), we'll see if White continues to lead the defense in a positive direction, or if it reverts to early '23 form....

That is my main issue with SB. If something is not working (whether it's a scheme, play, system or a coach), you need to make a change to correct the situation and not just hope it gets better. Frank should be in his ear on this but maybe he is letting Shane fly on his own.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Quite frankly, I would be surprised if Beamer makes any changes at season's-end. (One can hope, but....) He's proven himself to be stubborn and resistant to change.... If, IF, we get any changes, I full-well expect another failure of a hire(s) - someone we've never heard of before, with a dismal track record. With all the people supposedly blowing up his phone, wanting his jobs, he's made poor to questionable-at-best hires.
Next season, when we lose a ton of experience and talent up front (on D), we'll see if White continues to lead the defense in a positive direction, or if it reverts to early '23 form....

I can't imagine he could possibly retain Teasley

 

[Piscis]

How appealing is an asst. coaching job at a program where the coach is on a white hot seat? What good position coach or coordinator would leave a job at a secure coach's program to jump to Beamer? Any changes could easily be for the worse.

 

[18IsTheMan]

How appealing is an asst. coaching job at a program where the coach is on a white hot seat? What good position coach or coordinator would leave a job at a secure coach's program to jump to Beamer? Any changes could easily be for the worse.

That is also always a factor. Which may mean the ship has sailed on Beamer's tenure here.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

How appealing is an asst. coaching job at a program where the coach is on a white hot seat? What good position coach or coordinator would leave a job at a secure coach's program to jump to Beamer? Any changes could easily be for the worse.

Some asst. coach who sees an opportunity to prove he is worthy of being the SC HC which is also the same reason Beamer would never bring in someone who is worthy of challenging him.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I simply don't see any way around replacing Teasley. It should not be hard at all to find a competent OL coach who can deliver at least an average OL.

 

[Atlanta Cock]

I think we all agree/accept that Beamer is likely going to be back next year. Unless the administration is going with my 10-year contract recommendation, next year will be probably be a hot seat for him. That being the case, it seems there are coaching changes that have to be made. Chief among those is obviously Teasley. I thought he should have been canned last year, but folks on here told me he really was a good coach and I would see I was wrong once the OL was healthy this year. Well, we are healthy and the OL is still a major Achille's for us. This, to me, is a slam dunk, no-brainer. But it was last year as well.

Here's the big question: with his head coaching tenure likely hanging in the balance, does he ride with Loggains? Arguments can be made the offense has been knee capped by the bad OL play, and there is probably some merit to that. Also, if you bring in your 3rd OC in 5 years, you're introducing a new scheme and all that and you've only got one season to get it right. I don't think Loggains has been that good, but the OL has been worse. If he chooses to replace Loggains, he needs to make a slam dunk hire. He needs to hire someone where everyone says "that makes sense".

Jury is still out on Furrey (it rhymes!). The WRs have not excelled, but there's not much to work with at WR this year. He wasn't our first choice but I don't think WR has been a glaring deficiency relative to the offense as a whole.

I think White has pulled a nice turnaround this year with the D, so he's safe.

Others?

I'm not so sure. His schtick has worn thin with everyone. He's only going to win 4 games this year, and it's highly likely we get waxed in all of the others. I don't think a 4th year HC survives that. The only way he does is by bringing in a high profile OC and an established OL. Beamer has convinced me he will not or cannot.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I'm not so sure. His schtick has worn thin with everyone. He's only going to win 4 games this year, and it's highly likely we get waxed in all of the others. I don't think a 4th year HC survives that. The only way he does is by bringing in a high profile OC and an established OL. Beamer has convinced me he will not or cannot.

I agree a 4-win season in Year 4, following a 5-win season in Year 3 should be grounds for dismissal....UNLESS we're making a long-term commitment.

A new AD is the wild card as we have all discussed. Maybe a new AD retains Beamer, but gives a few mandates.

I don't see any rationale for him coming back next year with the current staff intact. What would even be the point? Why even bother?

 

[will110]

The real question I have in a situation like the OP states is what gives any hope that a third OC hire (technically 4th) is going to make any meaningful difference? At some point it's the guy making the hires.

 

[18IsTheMan]

The real question I have in a situation like the OP states is what gives any hope that a third OC hire (technically 4th) is going to make any meaningful difference? At some point it's the guy making the hires.

Also true. I look at Dabo hiring Venables, though, which seemed to be the real turning point for their program. After their humiliation in the Orange Bowl, Dabo said "screw it" and went out and threw nearly head coach money to get Venables. It paid off enormously for Dabo and Clemson.

Sometimes you simply have to make the obvious move and go out and pay top dollar to get the best guy. It doesn't always have to be a personality fit either. Look at Saban and Kiffin. Those two were anything but a fit for each other, but Saban made it work.

 

[will110]

Also true. I look at Dabo hiring Venables, though, which seemed to be the real turning point for their program. After their humiliation in the Orange Bowl, Dabo said "screw it" and went out and threw nearly head coach money to get Venables. It paid off enormously for Dabo and Clemson.

Sometimes you simply have to make the obvious move and go out and pay top dollar to get the best guy. It doesn't always have to be a personality fit either. Look at Saban and Kiffin. Those two were anything but a fit for each other, but Saban made it work.

That's why Loggains was such a disappointing hire. I haven't looked it up, but I would bet that Carolina had never won back-to-back games against top ten teams before like we did in 2022. And with Spencer Rattler coming back, Loggains was the best Shane could do?

 

[gamecock stock]

How appealing is an asst. coaching job at a program where the coach is on a white hot seat? What good position coach or coordinator would leave a job at a secure coach's program to jump to Beamer? Any changes could easily be for the worse.

Great point. Beamer does not have coaching skills. He has never been an Offensive nor Defensive Coordinator. He has to depend on those under him to come up with and implement the Xs and Os. So he, and we, have to ride the horse we now have.

For that reason, a decision about Beamer will need to be made at the end of this season. If not, the hole will be dug deeper and deeper.

It's sad that we are in this situation. But we put ourselves in this situation. You would have thought after rolling the dice on a proven Head Coach failure (Muschamp), the hiring authorities would have gone after a proven winner at the FBS level. Rookie FBS Head Coaches (Bell, Woods, Scott) NEVER work out for us. Only proven FBS Head Coaches (Dietzel, Carlen, Morrison, Holtz and Spurrier ) have ever had multiple successful seasons here. The stupidity of USC administrators.....smh.

" There are two things infinite: one is the universe and two is human stupidity. But, I'm not certain about the universe."
------- Albert Einstein --------

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

Beamer is not a coach, and he needs to follow the Dablo model of being an Administrator and Motivator and let the others do the coaching. But first he must hire good coaches!

 

[gamecock stock]

Nm

 

[18IsTheMan]

Great point. Beamer does not have coaching skills. He has never been an Offensive nor Defensive Coordinator. He has to depend on those under him to come up with and implement the Xs and Os. So he, and we, have to ride the horse we now have.

For that reason, a decision about Beamer will need to be made at the end of this season. If not, the hole will be dug deeper and deeper.

It's sad that we are in this situation. But we put ourselves in this situation. You would have thought after rolling the dice on a proven Head Coach failure (Muschamp), the hiring authorities would have gone after a proven winner at the FBS level. Rookie FBS Head Coaches (Bell, Woods, Scott) NEVER work out for us. Only proven FBS Head Coaches (Dietzel, Carlen, Morrison, Holtz and Spurrier ) have ever had multiple successful seasons here. The stupidity of USC administrators.....smh.

" There are two things infinite: one is the universe and two is human stupidity. But, I'm not certain about the universe."
------- Albert Einstein --------

I wonder how much of it is that we just aren't willing to pay for top assistants. Dabo and Clemson made Venables an offer he couldn't refuse. He was the 2nd highest paid assistant in college football that year, but it was worth every penny. Dabo expertly identified Venables as the key to getting their program to the next level and they didn't hold back to get him.

When we needed an OC, our fans were clamoring for Garrett Riley. The jury is still out on him at Clemson, but at the time he was the hot name. Instead, we went for a guy that, literally, none of us had ever heard of. Indeed, almost nobody in college had ever heard of him and he wasn't even an OC.

Maybe we just try to do things on the cheap.

Perhaps there's also an aspect that accomplished assistants don't want to go work for a head who doesn't appear at times to know what he's doing.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

I wonder how much of it is that we just aren't willing to pay for top assistants. Dabo and Clemson made Venables an offer he couldn't refuse. He was the 2nd highest paid assistant in college football that year, but it was worth every penny. Dabo expertly identified Venables as the key to getting their program to the next level and they didn't hold back to get him.

When we needed an OC, our fans were clamoring for Garrett Riley. The jury is still out on him at Clemson, but at the time he was the hot name. Instead, we went for a guy that, literally, none of us had ever heard of. Indeed, almost nobody in college had ever heard of him and he wasn't even an OC.

Maybe we just try to do things on the cheap.

Perhaps there's also an aspect that accomplished assistants don't want to go work for a head who doesn't appear at times to know what he's doing.

Still can't get over SB not hiring Santucci and letting him go to GT instead

 

[18IsTheMan]

Still can't get over SB not hiring Santucci and letting him go to GT instead

He was floating around out there for a while too.

 

[gamecock stock]

I wonder how much of it is that we just aren't willing to pay for top assistants. Dabo and Clemson made Venables an offer he couldn't refuse. He was the 2nd highest paid assistant in college football that year, but it was worth every penny. Dabo expertly identified Venables as the key to getting their program to the next level and they didn't hold back to get him.

When we needed an OC, our fans were clamoring for Garrett Riley. The jury is still out on him at Clemson, but at the time he was the hot name. Instead, we went for a guy that, literally, none of us had ever heard of. Indeed, almost nobody in college had ever heard of him and he wasn't even an OC.

Maybe we just try to do things on the cheap.

Perhaps there's also an aspect that accomplished assistants don't want to go work for a head who doesn't appear at times to know what he's doing.

Oh there is no doubt we pay lip servíce so that fans won't get restless and rebel and stay away and stop contributing. I have long said we are not serious about football. We were serious about baseball and lured Tanner from NC State. We were serious about womens basketball and lured Staley from Temple. Their results on the field and the court speak for themselves. Make no mistake about it. The AD hire will be very important to the future of USC football.

 

[I4CtheFuture]

Pretty sure I'll get flamed mercilessly for this but: Ala the Clemson model, why not kill 2 birds with one stone? Hire Chadwell away from Liberty, make him the highest paid OC in the country. When / if / Shane doesn't work out, we already have our HC in waiting.

As crazy as that sounds, it's probably a better plan than hiring "Joe" the former janitor from McDonalds.

 

[Piscis]

Pretty sure I'll get flamed mercilessly for this but: Ala the Clemson model, why not kill 2 birds with one stone? Hire Chadwell away from Liberty, make him the highest paid OC in the country. When / if / Shane doesn't work out, we already have our HC in waiting.

As crazy as that sounds, it's probably a better plan than hiring "Joe" the former janitor from McDonalds.

I don't see Chadwell stepping down voluntarily from head coach to coordinator and Liberty is paying him $4 million a year. No program is paying any coordinator that much.

Chadwell is 18-1 at Liberty. He isn't leaving that to come to a place that thinks 7 or 8 wins is a successful season.

 

[GCJerryUSC]

That is also always a factor. Which may mean the ship has sailed on Beamer's tenure here.

It bothers me that he did better with Mushhead's players than he's now doing with his own recruits and he's supposed to be a great recruiter.

 

[Piscis]

It bothers me that he did better with Mushhead's players than he's now doing with his own recruits and he's supposed to be a great recruiter.

Every fan base thinks every new coach hired is a great recruiter.

 

[gamecock stock]

Pretty sure I'll get flamed mercilessly for this but: Ala the Clemson model, why not kill 2 birds with one stone? Hire Chadwell away from Liberty, make him the highest paid OC in the country. When / if / Shane doesn't work out, we already have our HC in waiting.

As crazy as that sounds, it's probably a better plan than hiring "Joe" the former janitor from McDonalds.

No, if and when the position is vacant, identify your top 3 candidates and, then open the department's wallet. We get SEC money for goodness sakes.