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Read on TOS they now have signed 5 - 5* players and added a couple more through the portal.

NCAA has got to step in and put a max cap on the amount of NIL money spent by each team . Very few teams can keep up.
 
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No real confirmation on money involved, as is always the case in NIL stuff, but they have loaded up the roster, for sure.

Huge transfer pickups with Downs and Sayin from Bama.
 

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Read on TOS they now have signed 5 - 5* players and added a couple more through the portal.

NCAA has got to step in and put a max cap on the amount of NIL money spent by each team . Very few teams can keep up.

The NCAA can't do anything to restrict the earnings of the players - it's not legal. Unfortunately the government has to step in and do something to fix the problem they created. Unfortunate because it will take forever to address and the "solution" will probably just lead to more problems.
 

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The NCAA can't do anything to restrict the earnings of the players - it's not legal. Unfortunately the government has to step in and do something to fix the problem they created. Unfortunate because it will take forever to address and the "solution" will probably just lead to more problems.
The NCAA can cut out all the collectives. Collectives are pay to play and not true NIL. In my opinion, collectives and the unlimited transfer rule are the culprits. I believe the ncaa has the ability to fix both but as we all know, they are impotent.
 
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The NCAA can cut out all the collectives. Collectives are pay to play and not true NIL. In my opinion, collectives and the unlimited transfer rule are the culprits. I believe the ncaa has the ability to fix both as we all know, they are impotent.

I don't disagree with your diagnosis, but as I understand it, NIL collectives are private entities, so what control could the NCAA have over them?
 

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I don't disagree with your diagnosis, but as I understand it, NIL collectives are private entities, so what control could the NCAA have over them?
I'm not an expert. Just shooting from the hip. NCAA can't control collectives but I would think they could enforce athletes ability to receive collectives $$'s.
 

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Read on TOS they now have signed 5 - 5* players and added a couple more through the portal.

NCAA has got to step in and put a max cap on the amount of NIL money spent by each team . Very few teams can keep up.
Good luck with that legally under the current set up.
 

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No real confirmation on money involved, as is always the case in NIL stuff, but they have loaded up the roster, for sure.

Huge transfer pickups with Downs and Sayin from Bama.
I would agree with the statement that there is no real confirmation on the money involved. The closest I have read to confimred numbers is Clemson's collective spent $2.5M in '23 for all sports combined based on IRS filings and Texas A&M spent $3.5 in '23for all sports combined based on a FOIA release. Those numbers make me thing many of the numbers players state on social media are grossly inflated. My guess is collectives pay out 1/4 to 1/3 of the NIL dollars per school and other interests pay out the balance. At smaller schools collective may cover 50%, or more, and at biggers schools there may be more resources outside of collectives so the 25% mumber may be accurate. Ohio State is spending for sure but I would guess a 5 star QB maybe gets $400-500k max but not $1-2M. I think the huge numbers players state is an attempt to set the market at that level.
 
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I'm not an expert. Just shooting from the hip. NCAA can't control collectives but I would think they could enforce athletes ability to receive collectives $$'s.
I don't know how the NCAA could restrict what a player gets from a collective. There is no unringing the bell without massive changes to the way athletes are admitted to the schools. A quick look at the twitter videos posted by players will let anyone know many of these athletes could not be admitted to the schools they play for and some could not be admitted to ANY college. Until the rules are changed so that athletes have to be admitted to college with the same requirements as other students BEFORE they can receive a scholarship or NIL money things are going to continue to get worse.

The NFL has always had a free farm system. Now, the NFL has a free farm system that other people are actually paying the players to play in. Closing the doors to that system to players who cannot be accepted into the colleges is the step that is needed to force the NFL's hand in forming and funding their own farm system.
 

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I would agree with the statement that there is no real confirmation on the money involved. The closest I have read to confimred numbers is Clemson's collective spent $2.5M in '23 for all sports combined based on IRS filings and Texas A&M spent $3.5 in '23for all sports combined based on a FOIA release. Those numbers make me thing many of the numbers players state on social media are grossly inflated. My guess is collectives pay out 1/4 to 1/3 of the NIL dollars per school and other interests pay out the balance. At smaller schools collective may cover 50%, or more, and at biggers schools there may be more resources outside of collectives so the 25% mumber may be accurate. Ohio State is spending for sure but I would guess a 5 star QB maybe gets $400-500k max but not $1-2M. I think the huge numbers players state is an attempt to set the market at that level.

Was the 2.5M both of Clemson's NIL collective program's or just one. Not sure how these things are handled but I think there's two programs involved with Clemson . TigerrImpact and 110 Society or this is what I have read.
 

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I don't know how the NCAA could restrict what a player gets from a collective. There is no unringing the bell without massive changes to the way athletes are admitted to the schools. A quick look at the twitter videos posted by players will let anyone know many of these athletes could not be admitted to the schools they play for and some could not be admitted to ANY college. Until the rules are changed so that athletes have to be admitted to college with the same requirements as other students BEFORE they can receive a scholarship or NIL money things are going to continue to get worse.

The NFL has always had a free farm system. Now, the NFL has a free farm system that other people are actually paying the players to play in. Closing the doors to that system to players who cannot be accepted into the colleges is the step that is needed to force the NFL's hand in forming and funding their own farm system.

Yeah, if the NCAA says they can earn NIL, I don't see how they can regulate how much they earn and from whom.

Actually read an interesting piece on the possibility of the NFL eventually taking over college football. With the way college football has blown up in revenue, if the NFL can make a buck on it, they will likely explore it.
 

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Yeah, if the NCAA says they can earn NIL, I don't see how they can regulate how much they earn and from whom.

Actually read an interesting piece on the possibility of the NFL eventually taking over college football. With the way college football has blown up in revenue, if the NFL can make a buck on it, they will likely explore it.
The ncaa didn’t grant NIL, the Supreme Court did. The NCAA refusing to make consolidations to that fact in the 2000’s is what got us here. The ncaa could have allowed it and put rules on it and likely been ok. No one likely would have challenged it.
 
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Yeah, if the NCAA says they can earn NIL, I don't see how they can regulate how much they earn and from whom.

Actually read an interesting piece on the possibility of the NFL eventually taking over college football. With the way college football has blown up in reven, if the NFL can make a buck on it, they will likely explore it.
I don't know how anyone can claim collectives are NIL. Simply pay to play.
 

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The ncaa didn’t grant NIL, the Supreme Court did. The NCAA refusing to make consolidations to that fact in the 2000’s is what got us here. The ncaa could have allowed it and put rules on it and likely been ok. No one likely would have challenged it.
Can you reference a specific Supreme Court ruling?
 

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I don't know how anyone can claim collectives are NIL. Simply pay to play.

Sure. They obviously are. The moment NIL was allowed, we all saw pay to play as an inevitably. Just don't see anything the NCAA can do about the mess they created.
 

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Sure. They obviously are. The moment NIL was allowed, we all saw pay to play as an inevitably. Just don't see anything the NCAA can do about the mess they created.
They have to want to do something about it. I don't think they really care as long as $$'s are flowing.
 

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Can you reference a specific Supreme Court ruling?

I'll save you the time. There isn't one. The SCOTUS ruled against the NCAA in NCAA v. Alston, but that ruling only concerned education-related expenses. The NCAA shortly thereafter voted to adopt an interim NIL policy. SCOTUS never ruled directly on NIL. The Alston ruling was very narrow, avoiding NIL altogether and focused specifically on benefits tethered to education.
 

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Law firm explaining it.

The case itself


Addressed in post 19.

As usual, you are wrong. The Alston ruling did not allow NIL. It pertained only to education-tethered benefits. The NCAA did vote to allow NIL shortly thereafter, likely trying to avert future litigation. But the SCOTUS never ruled on NIL.

So, yes, I was correct in saying "the NCAA says they can earn NIL" and you were wrong, again. Same song, second verse, same as the first. Wash, rinse, repeat.

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Was the 2.5M both of Clemson's NIL collective program's or just one. Not sure how these things are handled but I think there's two programs involved with Clemson . TigerrImpact and 110 Society or this is what I have read.
TigerImpact, I don't really know how many they have and which one(s) is the largest.
 
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Read on TOS they now have signed 5 - 5* players and added a couple more through the portal.

NCAA has got to step in and put a max cap on the amount of NIL money spent by each team . Very few teams can keep up.
There was a movie that came out in 1973 called "American Graffiti about teen life in 1962. The advertisement line used for that movie was "Where were you in 1962?". College football is going the way of "Pre-1973" college football. Do you remember how college football was for the South Carolina Gamecocks in that era (1960s)? Were you even alive back then? I was and, I remember how things were. The richest and most traditional powers were able to stockpile their rosters with as many players as they wanted. The most vivid way to describe college football back then is this: there was a "major leagues" of college football and a "minor leagues" of college football. You know where South Carolina football was relegated to? Minor league, of course.

I hate to give you bad news, but, I see nothing that there is any effort to change course. And it may be because there is no way to legally AND politically to change it. There's nothing wrong with minor league baseball. But it is baseball for inferior players. Either accept the realities of 2024 college football or find something else to enjoy.
 

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Read on TOS they now have signed 5 - 5* players and added a couple more through the portal.

NCAA has got to step in and put a max cap on the amount of NIL money spent by each team . Very few teams can keep up.
Well one thing not being mentioned is that NIL is considered income by the IRS and in April every year they will be required to pay taxes on the NIL amounts they receive. Welcome to the world of being a taxpayer.
 
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Obviously you didn’t read the decent.

There's nothing to read. The Alston ruling was a narrow one addressing only education-tethered benefits. It did not touch NIL. End of story.

"The court unanimously found the NCAA’s compensation rules violated the Sherman Act when they restricted non-cash education-related benefits such as post-eligibility undergraduate or graduate scholarships or tutoring, study-abroad expenses, and paid post-eligibility internships."

 
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