Ok, seriously, time to do away with the FBS/FCS matchups

18IsTheMan

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In about 10 of the games last night, the cumulative score was 527-66. Four of those games had a cumulative score of 215-0.

Seriously, what purpose can this possibly serve for either side? Nobody benefits from games like this.

I know, I know, there's seems to be an FCS upset every year (yes, I recall App State over Michigan), and that's always exciting to see the little guy win, but is it worth the one or two upsets when 95% of the games are veritable blood baths? What can it possibly benefit Arkansas Pine Bluff to get absolutely annihilated 70-0? What does it benefit Arkansas? There is zero benefit to the team when you match up against someone who is so woefully overmatched. Arkansas could have won 150-0 if they wanted. You're far better off just scrimmaging yourself.

And, yes, I know it's a financial thing for the little schools, but is it worth the product of an absolutely crappy game? "Hey, guys, we're going to send you out there to play a game you have no business playing in, have a 0.001% chance of winning, to get embarrassed and humiliated for 4 full quarters, but we really need the dough. Thanks!" And, yes, I know there's the whole goodwill thing with the big FBS school scheduling the little in-state FCS school. "As a gesture of our goodwill towards our neighbors, we'd like to have you come play a game where we're going to violate you for 4 straight quarters. Because goodwill!" And, yes, I know there's the feel good thing that it allows those players from the FCS team the opportunity to play on the big stage. "We feel bad for you boys down there at the FCS school, so we're going to have you come get curb stomped at our place so you can experience the joy of big-time football."

The whole things just seems more and more ludicrous each year. From a competitive perspective, it's shameless for FBS teams to even schedule games like this. And it's a shameless money grab by the FCS programs. It particularly makes little sense when there are plenty of cream puff FBS games that could be scheduled. Sure, the score may not be 70-0, but you can still get an easy win.

Maybe it would hurt the FCS teams' feelings to do away with the games, but I see no purpose in absolutely laughable games that offer zero benefit to anyone. If they can't financially keep their programs afloat without taking a mindless beating every year from an FBS team, then they shouldn't have a team.
 
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What can it possibly benefit Arkansas Pine Bluff to get absolutely annihilated 70-0? What does it benefit Arkansas?
Usually the benefit is a couple hundred thousand dollars for the FCS team and a scrimmage for the FBS team. A lot of FBS teams really need that extra dub.

to your point though, I don’t know what it actually benefits the two schools playing wise when there is such a disparity between the two teams.
 

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In about 10 of the games last night, the cumulative score was 527-66. Four of those games had a cumulative score of 215-0.

Seriously, what purpose can this possibly serve for either side? Nobody benefits from games like this.

I know, I know, there's seems to be an FCS upset every year (yes, I recall App State over Michigan), and that's always exciting to see the little guy win, but is it worth the one or two upsets when 95% of the games are veritable blood baths? What can it possibly benefit Arkansas Pine Bluff to get absolutely annihilated 70-0? What does it benefit Arkansas? There is zero benefit to the team when you match up against someone who is so woefully overmatched. Arkansas could have won 150-0 if they wanted. You're far better off just scrimmaging yourself.

And, yes, I know it's a financial thing for the little schools, but is it worth the product of an absolutely crappy game? "Hey, guys, we're going to send you out there to play a game you have no business playing in, have a 0.001% chance of winning, to get embarrassed and humiliated for 4 full quarters, but we really need the dough. Thanks!" And, yes, I know there's the whole goodwill thing with the big FBS school scheduling the little in-state FCS school. "As a gesture of our goodwill towards our neighbors, we'd like to have you come play a game where we're going to violate you for 4 straight quarters. Because goodwill!" And, yes, I know there's the feel good thing that it allows those players from the FCS team the opportunity to play on the big stage. "We feel bad for you boys down there at the FCS school, so we're going to have you come get curb stomped at our place so you can experience the joy of big-time football."

The whole things just seems more and more ludicrous each year. From a competitive perspective, it's shameless for FBS teams to even schedule games like this. And it's a shameless money grab by the FCS programs. It particularly makes little sense when there are plenty of cream puff FBS games that could be scheduled. Sure, the score may not be 70-0, but you can still get an easy win.

Maybe it would hurt the FCS teams' feelings to do away with the games, but I see no purpose in absolutely laughable games that offer zero benefit to anyone. If they can't financially keep their programs afloat without taking a mindless beating every year from an FBS team, then they shouldn't have a team.
I don't know that this post is the best after last night. North Dakota State gave Colorado all it could handle, and arguably could have won if not for some questionable officiating decisions. Western Carolina had the lead against NC State in the 4th quarter. Wake Forest had only a 17-10 lead at halftime against NC A&T. Louisiana Monroe only beat Jackson State by 2 touchdowns.

Sure, there were a lot of blowouts as well, but it's not like there weren't some really competitive matchups.

Ultimately, though, these games are a financial boon for the FCS programs and generally an automatic win for the FBS school to get game experience and (hopefully) play a lot of different guys. The only way these games go away is by nobody buying tickets and nobody watching on TV. I don't have a problem with one of these games on the schedule a year. It makes a lot more sense to schedule an FCS opponent than a lower level FBS opponent like Appalachian State or Coastal Carolina.
 

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I don't know that this post is the best after last night. North Dakota State gave Colorado all it could handle, and arguably could have won if not for some questionable officiating decisions. Western Carolina had the lead against NC State in the 4th quarter. Wake Forest had only a 17-10 lead at halftime against NC A&T. Louisiana Monroe only beat Jackson State by 2 touchdowns.

Sure, there were a lot of blowouts as well, but it's not like there weren't some really competitive matchups.

Ultimately, though, these games are a financial boon for the FCS programs and generally an automatic win for the FBS school to get game experience and (hopefully) play a lot of different guys. The only way these games go away is by nobody buying tickets and nobody watching on TV. I don't have a problem with one of these games on the schedule a year. It makes a lot more sense to schedule an FCS opponent than a lower level FBS opponent like Appalachian State or Coastal Carolina.

It cheapens the game, though, right? To build in automatic wins? If you're so hard up for a win that you need to play FCS teams, then you should just fold up shop. Likewise, if FBS teams can't stay afloat financially without taking the a** kickings, then they should fold up shop.
 

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I have always been a proponent of doing away with these "shame on you" games.
If you win big, so what, that is what you were supposed to do
If it's a close game, a lot of questions appear, as a sure drop in the polls
And if you should lose, a huge embarrasement.

And spare me the "we're doing a favor for the little schools". What a load of bovine excrement, the motive was an easy W and nothing more.
 

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It cheapens the game, though, right? To build in automatic wins? If you're so hard up for a win that you need to play FCS teams, then you should just fold up shop. Likewise, if FBS teams can't stay afloat financially without taking the a** kickings, then they should fold up shop.
I have no problem with a team building in an automatic win. Sometimes it's nice to watch a game without pressure and just enjoy a beatdown. Our Charleston Southern game in 2019 is a good example. It doesn't mean anything, but it's a heck of a lot better than a loss.
 

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I have always been a proponent of doing away with these "shame on you" games.
If you win big, so what, that is what you were supposed to do
If it's a close game, a lot of questions appear, as a sure drop in the polls
And if you should lose, a huge embarrasement.

And spare me the "we're doing a favor for the little schools". What a load of bovine excrement, the motive was an easy W and nothing more.

Definitely a loser's mentality.

Besides, if you NEED a ridiculous win over an FCS team to get bowl eligibility, what does it even mean? I don't even particularly enjoy watching these games because I know it means nothing. Like Arkansas last night. They won 70-0 but it could have easily been 150-0 if they really wanted it to be.

It's like walking around with a wallet full of Monopoly money and feeling like a rich big shot.

 
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While I'm not a fan of expanded playoffs, maybe one of the advantages of the new playoff structure is that teams will be rewarded for scheduling legitimate non-conference games. A 9-3 record is no longer a death knell for your playoff hopes if you played a really difficult schedule with compelling non-conference opponents.
 

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In about 10 of the games last night, the cumulative score was 527-66. Four of those games had a cumulative score of 215-0.

Seriously, what purpose can this possibly serve for either side? Nobody benefits from games like this.

I know, I know, there's seems to be an FCS upset every year (yes, I recall App State over Michigan), and that's always exciting to see the little guy win, but is it worth the one or two upsets when 95% of the games are veritable blood baths? What can it possibly benefit Arkansas Pine Bluff to get absolutely annihilated 70-0? What does it benefit Arkansas? There is zero benefit to the team when you match up against someone who is so woefully overmatched. Arkansas could have won 150-0 if they wanted. You're far better off just scrimmaging yourself.

And, yes, I know it's a financial thing for the little schools, but is it worth the product of an absolutely crappy game? "Hey, guys, we're going to send you out there to play a game you have no business playing in, have a 0.001% chance of winning, to get embarrassed and humiliated for 4 full quarters, but we really need the dough. Thanks!" And, yes, I know there's the whole goodwill thing with the big FBS school scheduling the little in-state FCS school. "As a gesture of our goodwill towards our neighbors, we'd like to have you come play a game where we're going to violate you for 4 straight quarters. Because goodwill!" And, yes, I know there's the feel good thing that it allows those players from the FCS team the opportunity to play on the big stage. "We feel bad for you boys down there at the FCS school, so we're going to have you come get curb stomped at our place so you can experience the joy of big-time football."

The whole things just seems more and more ludicrous each year. From a competitive perspective, it's shameless for FBS teams to even schedule games like this. And it's a shameless money grab by the FCS programs. It particularly makes little sense when there are plenty of cream puff FBS games that could be scheduled. Sure, the score may not be 70-0, but you can still get an easy win.

Maybe it would hurt the FCS teams' feelings to do away with the games, but I see no purpose in absolutely laughable games that offer zero benefit to anyone. If they can't financially keep their programs afloat without taking a mindless beating every year from an FBS team, then they shouldn't have a team.
Absolutely. And get the SEC to nine conference games also. P-$$!e$.
 
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It cheapens the game, though, right? To build in automatic wins? If you're so hard up for a win that you need to play FCS teams, then you should just fold up shop. Likewise, if FBS teams can't stay afloat financially without taking the a** kickings, then they should fold up shop.
I have to go along and agree with you. Not all, but many FCS Teams are state supported, many have alumni, i.e. Ivy League, that could buy and sell Richland County with the funds they have allotted to their great grandchildren's trust funds and our athletic programs aren't meant to be used as charity bailouts.

This year, Carolina's schedule has 4 cupcakes (a third of the schedule is made up with guaranteed wins) and still many sincerely believe there is no way in the world we will have a winning season. 25% of the schedule (Omitting Vandy) is absurd and this, in the inaugural year, of an equally absurd 12 team playoff. Should we drop Clemson and replace them with S.C. State???

BS, that we need W's.
Honor before W's.

Courage is Fire, and Bullying is Smoke ... Benjamin Disraeli
 
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While I'm not a fan of expanded playoffs, maybe one of the advantages of the new playoff structure is that teams will be rewarded for scheduling legitimate non-conference games. A 9-3 record is no longer a death knell for your playoff hopes if you played a really difficult schedule with compelling non-conference opponents.
Yeah, but THEY even screwed that up big time. After a 12 game regular season (some teams a 13 game season), Teams 1-4 get a bye week. Teams 5-12 don't, plus they play an extra game. Since this is for the World Championship of the Entire Known Universe ... it just isn't fair! BUT, BS NEVER IS.
 
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