Ole Miss women's bball coach is upset.......

[OG Goat Holder]

Ole Miss Women's Basketball Coach Refuses To Believe Program Loses Money

Ole Miss women's basketball coach Yolett McPhee-McCuin doesn't understand how the program loses money; called out the city of Oxford.

www.outkick.com

Hmmm, seems to me that some of you guys that are all about profit, and that college sports are all a business, are going to have to come to grips with things like this. No equality in capitalism. Some of you want to get rid of baseball, well.....seems like you need to get rid of women's sports too if that is your viewpoint.

This is why I like to view education and amateur athletics as an investment in our future, with no direct monetary return. You guys that are only concerned with profits are missing the boat a little bit. And it's another reason why the school can't really fund all this NIL stuff.

 

[CochiseCowbell]

I miss this guy.

 

[mstateglfr]

To tie this to MSU, I found this...

How Mississippi State athletics managed its revenue and expenses in a pandemic-defined fiscal year

Mississippi State athletics weathered the pandemic-defined 2021 fiscal year by cutting certain expenses and receiving a boost from the SEC.

www.clarionledger.com

The men’s basketball team saw its revenue over expenses stabilize in 2021, making $482,187 a year after losing $1,346,758 in 2020. The women’s team, however, has lost over $3 million in revenue the past two years, slightly down from the $5 million it lost in 2019.

So the women's team lost $5MM in 2019, lost $1.5MM in 2020, and lost $1.5MM in 2021.

Maybe there is more recent data? No idea, didnt see any in the 3min I was willing to look.
Seeing MSU's numbers, how the 17 did OM Women's Basketball lose $8.4MM last year?

 

[Willow Grove Dawg]

The combination of Bjork, Freeze, & Insell were so on brand Ole Miss

 

[SouthFarmchicken]

Ole Miss Women's Basketball Coach Refuses To Believe Program Loses Money

Ole Miss women's basketball coach Yolett McPhee-McCuin doesn't understand how the program loses money; called out the city of Oxford.

www.outkick.com

Hmmm, seems to me that some of you guys that are all about profit, and that college sports are all a business, are going to have to come to grips with things like this. No equality in capitalism. Some of you want to get rid of baseball, well.....seems like you need to get rid of women's sports too if that is your viewpoint.

This is why I like to view education and amateur athletics as an investment in our future, with no direct monetary return. You guys that are only concerned with profits are missing the boat a little bit. And it's another reason why the school can't really fund all this NIL stuff.

I agree 100%. The courts have destroyed the old model that was working a hell of a lot better than what we have now. There are only two ways to remedy this correctly.

1. Eliminate all college sports, male and female, with the exception of men’s football and men’s basketball. Unfortunately, that’s illegal because of Title 9.

2. Or, eliminate “college” football entirely, allowing the collectives to run the franchise, pay the players/coaches etc and pay a franchise fee to use the university’s image and likeness. The catch? The players can be any age, don’t have to go to school, and have no eligibility limits. Guess who won’t care? 90% of the football players. And absolutely, the fans (many would be equity owners in the team collective)would still lap up the ****** product.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

I agree 100%. The courts have destroyed the old model that was working a hell of a lot better than what we have now. There are only two ways to remedy this correctly.

1. Eliminate all college sports, male and female, with the exception of men’s football and men’s basketball. Unfortunately, that’s illegal because of Title 9.

2. Or, eliminate “college” football entirely, allowing the collectives to run the franchise, pay the players/coaches etc and pay a franchise fee to use the university’s image and likeness. The catch? The players can be any age, don’t have to go to school, and have no eligibility limits. Guess who won’t care? 90% of the football players. And absolutely, the fans (many would be equity owners in the team collective)would still lap up the ****** product.

Eek. I hate both of those options. For 2, if you eliminate football, then you have a bunch of sports that just straight lose money. That's not a winning proposition either.

I don't know why we can't keep doing what we're doing, honestly. The real guardrails need to be put around the transfer portal.

 

[blacklistedbully]

No equality in capitalism.

Equality of opportunity is the goal, which we pretty much have. Equality of outcome and/or equity is not and should never be the goal unless you are a communist or socialist.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Equality of opportunity is the goal, which we pretty much have. Equality of outcome and/or equity is not and should never be the goal unless you are a communist or socialist.

Well we are talking outcomes here. Women's basketball loses money. If you only want amateur sports that make money, it must be eliminated.

That's where this whole 'college sports are a business' thing breaks down. And that's why I don't think you'll ever seen players become employees of a university.

 

[The Peeper]

I'm having trouble following her point. At one moment she talks of "a weak narrative w/ no context". I think if he had added any context to it she would have really come unglued, he did right by not commenting only on the facts just presenting them.

But then she goes on though to badmouth the people of Oxford for not supporting her team which kind of proves his point of the "money pit" and she's agreeing. I don't get it? By the way, talking down to and calling out a bunch of narcissistic a** holes isn't the way to get them to show up, Yo

 

[blacklistedbully]

Well we are talking outcomes here. Women's basketball loses money. If you only want amateur sports that make money, it must be eliminated.

That's where this whole 'college sports are a business' thing breaks down. And that's why I don't think you'll ever seen players become employees of a university.

Outcomes have nothing to do with it. Equality of opportunity in capitalism doesn't guarantee any outcome. As far as WBB, it might help others to think of it either as charity (albeit charity forced upon the schools by Title IX), or just a necessary cost of doing business (the better view IMO).

 

[FlotownDawg]

No other country in the world has a college sports model like the USA. The facilities and money for even smaller sports like soccer, track and field, and volleyball are incredible compared to other countries, which really don’t have a college sports culture. It’s why so many international students come to the States to play college sports. Well what pays for all that? Football and men’s basketball. If you take away football and make it a professional league, all the other sports go away or become basically club sports because there is no money to pay for them. That’s why it’s a very slippery slope we’re treading on right now with college football and players becoming employees.

 

[Beretta.sixpack]

She even made reference to the other school in the state having 7K fans at our last game, without naming us specifically.....I believe we had a game since that rant and had even more....it was not a good look on her part

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Outcomes have nothing to do with it. Equality of opportunity in capitalism doesn't guarantee any outcome. As far as WBB, it might help others to think of it either as charity (albeit charity forced upon the schools by Title IX), or just a necessary cost of doing business (the better view IMO).

The outcomes are what everybody is basing this 'employee' stuff on, and the 'players should get the spoils', etc. etc.

I don't disagree with you, but I'm just pointing that out. I think that's why so many liberals are for paying players - because they look at equality of outcome more than anything, which is flawed. But now, they are going to have to answer for the notion that women's sports would need to be eliminated under their same premise.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

No other country in the world has a college sports model like the USA. The facilities and money for even smaller sports like soccer, track and field, and volleyball are incredible compared to other countries, which really don’t have a college sports culture. It’s why so many international students come to the States to play college sports. Well what pays for all that? Football and men’s basketball. If you take away football and make it a professional league, all the other sports go away or become basically club sports because there is no money to pay for them. That’s why it’s a very slippery slope we’re treading on right now with college football and players becoming employees.

100% agreed, in all aspects. Those sports will become little more than an extension of youth/college travel sports, where basically parents foot the bill, and they are the only ones in attendance. But unfortunately for them, there's no goal for it, because the main goal of youth sports nowadays is to get a college scholarship, which is now removed. I would also imagine a day would come when the schools would just turn loose of these sports, as there's no reason to facilitate them. They go back on the private market. Then, once everything becomes privatized, the college 'tribalism' has disappeared, and those particular college amateur sports are declared officially dead. The only thing that would matter is pro baseball, soccer, women's basketball, whatever. And that's only if those sports make a profit.

We really, REALLY don't want this, especially at MSU. They would essentially take away the one sport where we've succeeded. Now, in the case of baseball, I'm sure us and about 30 other southern schools would hold on indefinitely to the club model, until the money just ran out entirely. But it would still suck.

 

[SouthFarmchicken]

No other country in the world has a college sports model like the USA. The facilities and money for even smaller sports like soccer, track and field, and volleyball are incredible compared to other countries, which really don’t have a college sports culture. It’s why so many international students come to the States to play college sports. Well what pays for all that? Football and men’s basketball. If you take away football and make it a professional league, all the other sports go away or become basically club sports because there is no money to pay for them. That’s why it’s a very slippery slope we’re treading on right now with college football and players becoming employees.

I mean…these are universities, alleged institutions of higher learning. The whole purpose of men and women’s sports (I thought) was to give an opportunity to athletes who couldn’t afford college AND create school spirit/camadarie among the college kids.

I have two girls. They are tough as nails. My 12 yr old plays on an all boys travel team and starts. My younger one (7) is a much better soccer player than her older sister at this age. Caveat, I generally dislike soccer.

Having said all that, I see no value in women’s sports at the collegiate level UNLESS we stick to the original purpose of college athletics. My preference, both are impossible, either go backwards and be amateurs (allow as much cheating as you want under the table for football and basketball) in all sports OR get rid of college sports entirely, except for college football. To comply with Title 9, you are still gonna have to have 4 times as many female cheerleaders(talk about a no value skill), a women’s basketball team and probably women’s soccer.

As an aside, I think Title 9 is absolutely ridiculous as applied to college athletics NOW with the NIL landscape. Maybe, just maybe, a Court will address that.

 

[Hugh's Burner Phone]

I'm having trouble following her point. At one moment she talks of "a weak narrative w/ no context". I think if he had added any context to it she would have really come unglued, he did right by not commenting only on the facts just presenting them.

But then she goes on though to badmouth the people of Oxford for not supporting her team which kind of proves his point of the "money pit" and she's agreeing. I don't get it? By the way, talking down to and calling out a bunch of narcissistic a** holes isn't the way to get them to show up, Yo

She did everything except explicitly say what she's implying and that's the school and town is racist and misogynistic and that's what's causing her team to lose money.

 

[BulldogBlitz]

Heh...we've come a long *** way. I can remember being one of 10 in the stands for women's basketball.

It'll never support itself though, so old man continues yelling at the clouds.

 

[blacklistedbully]

The outcomes are what everybody is basing this 'employee' stuff on, and the 'players should get the spoils', etc. etc.

I don't disagree with you, but I'm just pointing that out. I think that's why so many liberals are for paying players - because they look at equality of outcome more than anything, which is flawed. But now, they are going to have to answer for the notion that women's sports would need to be eliminated under their same premise.

I get what you're saying, but suggest you're wrong about one thing. Libs aren't' gonna have to answer for the notion that women's sports would need to be eliminated. At least not in their minds. They are more likely to tell all the rest of us that we need to fund it with government subsidies, regardless of the fact we are now 34+ trillion in debt and growing.

 

[Shane of Pisgah]

Well we are talking outcomes here. Women's basketball loses money. If you only want amateur sports that make money, it must be eliminated.

That's where this whole 'college sports are a business' thing breaks down. And that's why I don't think you'll ever seen players become employees of a university.

Goat they got this Title 9. Can't just be eliminating women's sports.

 

[mstateglfr]

Goat they got this Title 9. Can't just be eliminating women's sports.

Women's sports absolutely can and are eliminated at colleges across the country.

 

[mstateglfr]

As an aside, I think Title 9 is absolutely ridiculous as applied to college athletics NOW with the NIL landscape. Maybe, just maybe, a Court will address that.

Why is it absolutely ridiculous now that NIL exists? Keep in mind that Title9 applies to D1, D2, D3, and NAIA colleges and universities. I dont see how anything changed now that NIL exists.

 

[mstateglfr]

No other country in the world has a college sports model like the USA. The facilities and money for even smaller sports like soccer, track and field, and volleyball are incredible compared to other countries, which really don’t have a college sports culture. It’s why so many international students come to the States to play college sports. Well what pays for all that? Football and men’s basketball. If you take away football and make it a professional league, all the other sports go away or become basically club sports because there is no money to pay for them. That’s why it’s a very slippery slope we’re treading on right now with college football and players becoming employees.

Football and men's basketball certainly can pay for all that, but your argument doesnt expand well. D2, D3, and NAIA football and men's basketball programs arent funding all the other sports at those colleges. Many D1 departments also arent funding the other sports from fooball and men's basketball revenue.

 

[Shane of Pisgah]

Women's sports absolutely can and are eliminated at colleges across the country.

Um, sure, it happens. But because Title 9 requires equal participation opportunities for males and females, eliminating women's basketball would require either replacing it with another women's sport or dropping a men's sport so that the opportunities are equal.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

Ole Miss Women's Basketball Coach Refuses To Believe Program Loses Money

Ole Miss women's basketball coach Yolett McPhee-McCuin doesn't understand how the program loses money; called out the city of Oxford.

www.outkick.com

Hmmm, seems to me that some of you guys that are all about profit, and that college sports are all a business, are going to have to come to grips with things like this. No equality in capitalism. Some of you want to get rid of baseball, well.....seems like you need to get rid of women's sports too if that is your viewpoint.

This is why I like to view education and amateur athletics as an investment in our future, with no direct monetary return. You guys that are only concerned with profits are missing the boat a little bit. And it's another reason why the school can't really fund all this NIL stuff.

"...doesn't understand how the program loses money..." how is that possible? I thought this was common knowledge. Clear example of someone who has an emotional response to a very cut and dried reality.

 

[Dawgg]

The outcomes are what everybody is basing this 'employee' stuff on, and the 'players should get the spoils', etc. etc.

I don't disagree with you, but I'm just pointing that out. I think that's why so many liberals are for paying players - because they look at equality of outcome more than anything, which is flawed. But now, they are going to have to answer for the notion that women's sports would need to be eliminated under their same premise.

Hi, one of the resident liberals here in the pack. Why make it a liberal/conservative argument when the ‘pay the players’ argument exists outside those lines?

I don’t think the players should be paid directly by the school. I think they’re already getting the free education, the training, the meals, the housing, and the exposure and that’s their trade-off for playing. I’ve heard plenty of folks on the right say that the players should get paid, so I’m not sure why it needs to be painted as a left/right issue. There are plenty on both sides that have differing viewpoints.

 

[retire the banner]

Ole Miss Women's Basketball Coach Refuses To Believe Program Loses Money

Ole Miss women's basketball coach Yolett McPhee-McCuin doesn't understand how the program loses money; called out the city of Oxford.

www.outkick.com

Hmmm, seems to me that some of you guys that are all about profit, and that college sports are all a business, are going to have to come to grips with things like this. No equality in capitalism. Some of you want to get rid of baseball, well.....seems like you need to get rid of women's sports too if that is your viewpoint.

This is why I like to view education and amateur athletics as an investment in our future, with no direct monetary return. You guys that are only concerned with profits are missing the boat a little bit. And it's another reason why the school can't really fund all this NIL stuff.

I’d be okay eliminating baseball and women’s sports, and dumping all resources into football and MBB.

 

[Dawgg]

Few things here:

1. One thing being overlooked here is that men’s basketball, a ‘revenue’ sport, is actually losing money (-$3 Million!) at Ole Miss. Are they still carrying a note on the Pavillion?

2. Ole Miss didn’t give two blue sнits about women’s basketball until Mississippi State beat UConn and appeared in back to back national championships. Then they put some investment into their program. Then, we retracted back to the median and they stopped caring again. #obsessed

3. Vic has made similar complaints about the empty gameday crowds in Austin.

4. The women’s basketball tournament is about to break away from the NCAA championship package that ESPN buys and the rights will be negotiated separately like the men’s tournament. Once that happens, we’ll have a better gauge on how viable WBK is as a standalone product. It’s tough to gauge its revenue capability when it’s bundled with gymnastics, golf, baseball, softball, etc.

5. Their baseball program was one rained out weekend from losing money last year.

6. If you win at Mississippi State, we will show up, no matter what sport it is. They can’t claim that over at the plantation, so 17 them and go to hell Ole Miss.

 

[RocketDawg]

Isn't she part of the problem with her $1M salary?

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Hi, one of the resident liberals here in the pack. Why make it a liberal/conservative argument when the ‘pay the players’ argument exists outside those lines?

I don’t think the players should be paid directly by the school. I think they’re already getting the free education, the training, the meals, the housing, and the exposure and that’s their trade-off for playing. I’ve heard plenty of folks on the right say that the players should get paid, so I’m not sure why it needs to be painted as a left/right issue. There are plenty on both sides that have differing viewpoints.

In my experience, from many many discussions across message boards, in person, social media, etc., I've come to the conclusion that whether or not to pay players in college GENERALLY does fall along those party lines. No hard and fast rules, at all. I obviously have no stats to back that up. Just my own experience, yours' may be different.

I will say this, a phenomena I've noticed from many conservatives is to say things like 'players should get paid', in order to gain some rapport from liberal leaning people. As in, I can see your viewpoint. Sort of a 'I'm not racist, but......", followed by 17ed up conversation (as Bill Burr would say) that proves you really are one.

The funny thing, I don't think our current system is all that bad as far as the NIL side of it. The demand is there, and has been there for 50 years (SMU anyone?). The transfer portal is what messes it up.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Goat they got this Title 9. Can't just be eliminating women's sports.

No shlt dubmass.

We're talking about the ideal here - the goal. You remove football and basketball, then you can add more men's stuff. None of it does anything but lose money, so unless you find some donors, get ready for club sports. If ya'll want this to be a 'business', then you get what you get.

 

[dorndawg]

In my experience, from many many discussions across message boards, in person, social media, etc., I've come to the conclusion that whether or not to pay players in college GENERALLY does fall along those party lines. No hard and fast rules, at all. I obviously have no stats to back that up. Just my own experience, yours' may be different.

You... really think it's liberals running around funding NILs at State and other universities?

 

[Mr. Cook]

The combination of Bjork, Freeze, & Insell were so on brand Ole Miss

But you have to admit, their "Live at Red Rocks" album was pretty damn tight.****************

 

[Mr. Cook]

Goat they got this Title 9. Can't just be eliminating women's sports.

I think that's his point: you can't have it both ways

 

[Dawgg]

But you have to admit, their "Live at Red Rocks" album was pretty damn tight.****************

I loved “Chokin’ on Donut Cheeseburgers”.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

You... really think it's liberals running around funding NILs at State and other universities?

Liberals whine about it. Conservatives make it happen. I mean that's pretty much how US politics work, right?

 

[Mr. Cook]

I loved “Chokin’ on Donut Cheeseburgers”.

The cover of "Bargain Voucher Manifesto" was pretty solid

 

[dorndawg]

Liberals whine about it. Conservatives make it happen. I mean that's pretty much how US politics work, right?

Let me make sure I'm following: you're telling me liberals support NIL, and conservatives don't? And I guess you're further saying the conservatives are getting tricked into funding the NILs by the dastardly liberals?

I assure you, I'm not interested in arguing politics but this isn't making a whole lot of sense.

 

[chuckster.sixpack]

Let me make sure I'm following: you're telling me liberals support NIL, and conservatives don't? And I guess you're further saying the conservatives are getting tricked into funding the NILs by the dastardly liberals?

I assure you, I'm not interested in arguing politics but this isn't making a whole lot of sense.

Trolls rarely make a whole lot of sense. Stupid trolls never make any sense.

 

[RiverCityDawg]

In my experience, from many many discussions across message boards, in person, social media, etc., I've come to the conclusion that whether or not to pay players in college GENERALLY does fall along those party lines. No hard and fast rules, at all. I obviously have no stats to back that up. Just my own experience, yours' may be different.

I will say this, a phenomena I've noticed from many conservatives is to say things like 'players should get paid', in order to gain some rapport from liberal leaning people. As in, I can see your viewpoint. Sort of a 'I'm not racist, but......", followed by 17ed up conversation (as Bill Burr would say) that proves you really are one.

The funny thing, I don't think our current system is all that bad as far as the NIL side of it. The demand is there, and has been there for 50 years (SMU anyone?). The transfer portal is what messes it up.

I'll grant you that the positive sentiment towards paying players does "seem" left leaning, but with that said the conservative Supreme Court has made the most recent rulings that have pushed us in this direction and have the NCAA scared shitless to enforce any rules. I say that as a conservative myself.

It's all very conservative from a capitalistic standpoint, but while capitalism generally makes for a good economy, it makes for a crappy sports league. The best sports leagues have rules that keep competitive balance in check and allows for clear team/player obligations. College sports no longer fits in that box, and I don't think it ever will/can again unless courts make a complete 180 on all this.

 

[WilCoDawg]

She even made reference to the other school in the state having 7K fans at our last game, without naming us specifically.....I believe we had a game since that rant and had even more....it was not a good look on her part

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