On the other hand…..

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…..all yall are crazy to think the SEC will stand idly by while the B1G wins a couple championships.

The SEC will be back. Remember the revenue sharing? That will return sanity. Starts next year.

Power will flow back the coaches at programs will big revenue, like Georgia and Bama, and farther away from straight pay for play, like Ole Miss and SMU.

Ohio State will still be a factor.
 
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…..all yall are crazy to think the SEC will stand idly by while the B1G wins a couple championships.

The SEC will be back. Remember the revenue sharing? That will return sanity. Starts next year.

Power will flow back the coaches at programs will big revenue, like Georgia and Bama, and farther away from straight pay for play, like Ole Miss and SMU.

Ohio State will still be a factor.
You do realize that NIL isn’t going to be changed don‘t you?
 

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It will be changed. It’ll be real NIL, not pay for play. Kids will actually have to work and show fair market value.
You do realize that NIL basically was mandated by the courts, right? Unfortunately it’s not going away and it pretty much can’t be changed.
 

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…..all yall are crazy to think the SEC will stand idly by while the B1G wins a couple championships.

The SEC will be back. Remember the revenue sharing? That will return sanity. Starts next year.

Power will flow back the coaches at programs will big revenue, like Georgia and Bama, and farther away from straight pay for play, like Ole Miss and SMU.

Ohio State will still be a factor.
I think yall are jumping the gun a bit on saying The Big is running away with this.
 

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I think yall are jumping the gun a bit on saying The Big is running away with this.
You don’t think Ohio State is winning it all? That’s a solid 2 years for them (B1G).

Texas is soft, won’t beat them.

Niether Ped State or ND has the speed.
 

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I think yall are jumping the gun a bit on saying The Big is running away with this.
SEC will be back. Big time. This was just a down year. But if you look at the 16 biggest programs that will dominate college football in this NIL era, half of them are in the SEC.
 
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It will be changed. It’ll be real NIL, not pay for play. Kids will actually have to work and show fair market value.
NIL is protected by the US Supreme Court. Call it what u want but it’s law and unlimited. You can’t tell Dak how much he can earn off his name or endorsements nor any other athlete, amateur or pro. SMU paid $40 million to join the ACC with a show of hands in 5 minutes from their largest Dallas and KC Chief donors. They can bury Alabama financially. The Rebels and the Bulldogs can’t financially keep up with most of the Texas schools including TCU. Look at price of a quality QB. $4 to $8 million?
 
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I'm afraid. The B1G has more alumni, Larger population centers and more commercial sponsors.
 
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Yeah, it’ll get changed. Or at least tamped down.
I’ve been thinking about the new “clearinghouse” model for NIL, and frankly I don’t think it’ll help the SEC at all. If anything, it might hurt. Most of the SEC schools are in small markets, relatively speaking. So let’s say that the P4 teams all share the same amount of revenue. Sounds great, right?

Here’s the problem. Schools that are in metropolitan areas with large alumni bases that care about football will still use NIL as pay for play. Think about SMU, for example. A school in Dallas with boosters who are flush with cash. Maybe a $250,000 NIL deal with a local car dealership makes sense there. It passes the smell test. Can you say the same about Oxford, Starkville, Auburn, Fayetteville, etc? Think about Oregon and Nike. I hope revenue sharing makes things better, but I doubt it.
 
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NIL is protected by the US Supreme Court. Call it what u want but it’s law and unlimited. You can’t tell Dak how much he can earn off his name or endorsements nor any other athlete, amateur or pro. SMU paid $40 million to join the ACC with a show of hands in 5 minutes from their largest Dallas and KC Chief donors. They can bury Alabama financially. The Rebels and the Bulldogs can’t financially keep up with most of the Texas schools including TCU. Look at price of a quality QB. $4 to $8 million?
That’s what I’ve been tying to tell him. NIL ain’t going anywhere and it can’t be changed. His ignorance is showing again.
 

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I’ve been thinking about the new “clearinghouse” model for NIL, and frankly I don’t think it’ll help the SEC at all. If anything, it might hurt. Most of the SEC schools are in small markets, relatively speaking. So let’s say that the P4 teams all share the same amount of revenue. Sounds great, right?

Here’s the problem. Schools that are in metropolitan areas with large alumni bases that care about football will still use NIL as pay for play. Think about SMU, for example. A school in Dallas with boosters who are flush with cash. Maybe a $250,000 NIL deal with a local car dealership makes sense there. It passes the smell test. Can you say the same about Oxford, Starkville, Auburn, Fayetteville, etc? Think about Oregon and Nike. I hope revenue sharing makes things better, but I doubt it.
They don’t and they won’t. SMU paid all they could and were still a joke.

There’s a break even point.
 

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NIL is protected by the US Supreme Court. Call it what u want but it’s law and unlimited. You can’t tell Dak how much he can earn off his name or endorsements nor any other athlete, amateur or pro. SMU paid $40 million to join the ACC with a show of hands in 5 minutes from their largest Dallas and KC Chief donors. They can bury Alabama financially. The Rebels and the Bulldogs can’t financially keep up with most of the Texas schools including TCU. Look at price of a quality QB. $4 to $8 million?
Texas Tech has money from oil and some very wealthy boosters including a former player who is worth 750 million. They have the #1 portal class. Under the old rules Lubbock was very difficult to recruit to, it is in the middle of no where, nothing within 300 miles. Now they are at an advantage.
 

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I’ve been thinking about the new “clearinghouse” model for NIL, and frankly I don’t think it’ll help the SEC at all. If anything, it might hurt. Most of the SEC schools are in small markets, relatively speaking. So let’s say that the P4 teams all share the same amount of revenue. Sounds great, right?

Here’s the problem. Schools that are in metropolitan areas with large alumni bases that care about football will still use NIL as pay for play. Think about SMU, for example. A school in Dallas with boosters who are flush with cash. Maybe a $250,000 NIL deal with a local car dealership makes sense there. It passes the smell test. Can you say the same about Oxford, Starkville, Auburn, Fayetteville, etc? Think about Oregon and Nike. I hope revenue sharing makes things better, but I doubt it.
I agree. Fayetteville is a bit of an outlier. They have a lot of money and are in the top 20 programs for revenue.

Starkville really has no way to compete.
 

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I agree. Fayetteville is a bit of an outlier. They have a lot of money and are in the top 20 programs for revenue.

Starkville really has no way to compete.
Tech and Arkansas have to overpay, like we do. Historically mediocre programs.

Wake me up when they actually do it.

Just like baseball. I’ve heard for years this program or that one would invest. They never do.

Overall fanbase matters.
 

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Tech and Arkansas have to overpay, like we do.

Wake me up when they actually do it.
Texas Tech has a lot of money to spend on NIL, Arkansas has an inordinate amount of wealthy boosters who can buy Calipari and a basketball team....and a football team if they want to. Same can’t be said for State.
 

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Texas Tech has a lot of money to spend on NIL, Arkansas has an inordinate amount of wealthy boosters who can buy Calipari and a basketball team....and a football team if they want to. Same can’t be said for State.
I agree on us.

I just don’t think it’s as easy as ‘money’ with Arkansas and Texh. Many more factors.

The original convo was about SEC vs B1G.
 

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NIL is protected by the US Supreme Court. Call it what u want but it’s law and unlimited. You can’t tell Dak how much he can earn off his name or endorsements nor any other athlete, amateur or pro. SMU paid $40 million to join the ACC with a show of hands in 5 minutes from their largest Dallas and KC Chief donors. They can bury Alabama financially. The Rebels and the Bulldogs can’t financially keep up with most of the Texas schools including TCU. Look at price of a quality QB. $4 to $8 million?
You won’t be able to pay unlimited amounts out of an alumni collective for nothing. That part will happen.

This employee crap is not happening.

Revshare gonna change stuff, hashtag. Get back with me in a year.
 

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I agree on us.

I just don’t think it’s as easy as ‘money’ with Arkansas and Texh. Many more factors.

The original convo was about SEC vs B1G.
Techs coach is not good, they may not develop into a good program, the point I was making is now they can buy talent when before they could not legally, just like smu. Arkansas hasn’t fully invested in footbll because of squabbles with boosters and until Petrino got there their coaching was bad....but they do have a lot of money if they want to invest it in football.
 

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Techs coach is not good, they may not develop into a good program, the point I was making is now they can buy talent when before they could not legally, just like smu. Arkansas hasn’t fully invested in footbll because of squabbles with boosters and until Petrino got there their coaching was bad....but they do have a lot of money if they want to invest it in football.
Agree. I think it’s a mix of money and program.
 
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Who says it has to be an alumni collective? This is America. Anyone can pay or get paid. Contracts are contracts. Agents are involved. There is no regulation on name or endorsement. The Supreme Court has ruled on this. Why do think Saban retired? $100k and a new car won’t get u a 5 star visit. Ohio State has maybe $25-$30 million on the field this year. That same team will probably cost $10 million more in 2025. The Duke starter QB left his squad in December. It’s business pal.
 

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Who says it has to be an alumni collective? This is America. Anyone can pay or get paid. Contracts are contracts. Agents are involved. There is no regulation on name or endorsement. The Supreme Court has ruled on this. Why do think Saban retired? $100k and a new car won’t get u a 5 star visit. Ohio State has maybe $25-$30 million on the field this year. That same team will probably cost $10 million more in 2025. The Duke starter QB left his squad in December. It’s business pal.
LOL at 30M

Duke starter went to a better opportunity.
 

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Not unless the courts do it. The NCAA can‘t do a thing.
A court is doing it.


NIL is protected by the US Supreme Court. Call it what u want but it’s law and unlimited. You can’t tell Dak how much he can earn off his name or endorsements nor any other athlete, amateur or pro. SMU paid $40 million to join the ACC with a show of hands in 5 minutes from their largest Dallas and KC Chief donors. They can bury Alabama financially. The Rebels and the Bulldogs can’t financially keep up with most of the Texas schools including TCU. Look at price of a quality QB. $4 to $8 million?
That is not what the Supreme Court said in Alston. NIL wasnt even an issue before the Court. SCOTUS merely said the NCAA cannot limit non-cash, education related expenses paid to athletes. This means things like computers, tutors, graduate level scholarships, study abroad programs, and the like.

It was Justice Kavanaugh's concurrence-that was not joined by any other Justices - that asserted the same anti-trust analysis could be applied to the NCAA's restriction on cash related benefits.

This has no legal impact, but it scared the Hell out of the NCAA and caused it to allow NIL payments.

The House v. NCAA litigation is a class action suit representing all current NCAA athletes as one of the classes. The parties are seeking to resolve the anti-trust issues raised in that case by allowing revenue sharing while limiting NIL payments to the FMV of endorsements on goods and services.

Since there is an overwhelming public interest in allowing parties to resolve their disputes rather than relying on Court intervention, if the parties agree to this settlement and the Judge approves it, then any anti-trust issues relating to NIL should be resolved....at least temporarily.

That said, the whole "NIL clearinghouse" thing sounds like a disaster waiting to happen, and it remains to be seen how effective it will be.
 
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You won’t be able to pay unlimited amounts out of an alumni collective for nothing. That part will happen.

This employee crap is not happening.

Revshare gonna change stuff, hashtag. Get back with me in a year.
It will have zero effect on NIL. That’s law man, not NCAA stuff.
 

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You don’t think Ohio State is winning it all? That’s a solid 2 years for them (B1G).

Texas is soft, won’t beat them.

Niether Ped State or ND has the speed.
I’m not talking about this year, I’m talking long term. There’s some that have jumped on this bandwagon of saying the Big is running away with the current system. I don’t buy that for one minute.
 

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A court is doing it.



That is what the Supreme Court said in Alston. SCOTUS merely said the NCAA cannot limit non-cash, education related expenses paid to athletes. This means things like computers, tutors, graduate level scholarships, study abroad programs, and the like.

It was Justice Kavanaugh's concurrence, that was not joined by any other Justices, that asserted the same anti-trust analysis could be applied to the NCAA's restriction on cash related benefits.
Got a link on a court ruling this isn’t legal?
 

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Agree. I think it’s a mix of money and program.
If you have a staff who can’t evaluate and has no intelligent blue print to build with, you wind up with a really expensive 4-8 team. just grabbing any blue blood backup and spending 10-12 million is going to end up with FAIL.
 
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I’m not talking about this year, I’m talking long term. There’s some that have jumped on this bandwagon of saying the Big is running away with the current system. I don’t buy that for one minute.
We agree.

DCD I think we agree more than not. Just different ways of communicating.
 
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