Once the dust settles at Michigan

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It will show just how out of control college athletics has become and how deep NIL corruption has gone.
 

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I can go along with the "out of control" narrative of college football, as for corruption in NIL, since it is basically out in the open, and most NIL sponsors want/seek the publicity, I will have to wait to see/hear about the corruption aspect from reliable sources.
 

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I don't know what NIL has to do with it, but UM has passed on info that other Big 10 teams have shared info on signals as well and the Big 10 is looking into that now. Will be interesting to see what happens if they keep pulling on this thread.
 

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I don't know what NIL has to do with it, but UM has passed on info that other Big 10 teams have shared info on signals as well and the Big 10 is looking into that now. Will be interesting to see what happens if they keep pulling on this thread.

As long as one of the threads doesn't lead to us.
 

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I don't know what NIL has to do with it, but UM has passed on info that other Big 10 teams have shared info on signals as well and the Big 10 is looking into that now. Will be interesting to see what happens if they keep pulling on this thread.
Blake Corum has been linked to a LLC with Stallions. Apparently Stallions had a vacuum cleaner refurbishing business that Corum's name was tied to. No ides if it's NIL related. Corum denied any business dealings with Stallions. But the internet sleuths found Corum instagram posts with content related to the LLC, even posing in front of a car that had the company logo on it. It's name? BC2 Housing LLC....as in Blake Corum and his jersey number, 2.

No idea if this NIL related, but it doesn't pass the smell test.
 

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It will show just how out of control college athletics has become and how deep NIL corruption has gone.
If spying becomes the norm and "open" like NIL, teams will have to "Get Smart" and employ own "Agent 86" as well as the "Dome of Silence".
 

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Put a speaker in the helmet of the qb. Teams would have to huddle though.
 

Prestonyte

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Not so fast. Just becomes a technology game at that point.
Transmitted signals can be intercepted/disrupted/hacked.
 

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Not so fast. Just becomes a technology game at that point.
Transmitted signals can be intercepted/disrupted/hacked.

Sure, but then it's a very blatant breakage of the rules as that would not be allowed. Sign stealing is legal, and there aren't any real rules on how you can and can't do it. They say "no in person scouting" - but you can receive scouting from coaches of other teams that were in person. Coaches share that info all the time.

Having the technology will help with signals, and help to define what is "illegal." It's a win-win.
 

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Sure, but then it's a very blatant breakage of the rules as that would not be allowed. Sign stealing is legal, and there aren't any real rules on how you can and can't do it. They say "no in person scouting" - but you can receive scouting from coaches of other teams that were in person. Coaches share that info all the time.

Having the technology will help with signals, and help to define what is "illegal." It's a win-win.

I think using the transmitter would make it easier to do without getting caught, if you can figure out how to do it. You don't need a person obviously stealing signals, as with Stallions.
 

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Not so fast. Just becomes a technology game at that point.
Transmitted signals can be intercepted/disrupted/hacked.
No, technology has changed. Spread spectrum or code division multiple access (CDMA) is secure. Invented in 1942 by actress Hedy Lamarr!
 

Prestonyte

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Sure, but then it's a very blatant breakage of the rules as that would not be allowed. Sign stealing is legal, and there aren't any real rules on how you can and can't do it. They say "no in person scouting" - but you can receive scouting from coaches of other teams that were in person. Coaches share that info all the time.

Having the technology will help with signals, and help to define what is "illegal." It's a win-win.
Maybe so.
But to me cheating is not so much about the rules but the mindset and integrity of the cheaters skirting the rules.
 

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Sounds like it would be cost prohibitive for a lot of teams.

Yes, and that's been the main issue. Does the NCAA have a rule like the NFL that if one team loses its headset communication the other team must abandon their headsets as well?

I think there would be an equity issue. It's nothing for an SEC team to outfit helmets with radios. A very different story for non-P5 teams.

I wouldn't think having only a radio for the QB would be cost prohibitive. But then you've got the huddling issue which runs counter to how a lot of teams like to run offense these days.
 

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Yes, and that's been the main issue. Does the NCAA have a rule like the NFL that if one team loses its headset communication the other team must abandon their headsets as well?

I think there would be an equity issue. It's nothing for an SEC team to outfit helmets with radios. A very different story for non-P5 teams.

I wouldn't think having only a radio for the QB would be cost prohibitive. But then you've got the huddling issue which runs counter to how a lot of teams like to run offense these days.
Yeah. This is why I think the NCAA can't mess around with UM's punishment. The stick is the only way to make sure this doesn't happen going forward.
 

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Yeah. This is why I think the NCAA can't mess around with UM's punishment. The stick is the only way to make sure this doesn't happen going forward.

As I noted above, though, it will be interesting to see what happens if the NCAA pulls on this thread. Do we think UM is the ONLY school breaking the rules to steals signals?
 

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Why not tell the teams to use ways of communicating that can’t be deciphered?
 

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As I noted above, though, it will be interesting to see what happens if the NCAA pulls on this thread. Do we think UM is the ONLY school breaking the rules to steals signals?
To this level, probably. This is kind of wild.
 

18IsTheMan

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To this level, probably. This is kind of wild.

Possibly, probably. It is sure elaborate but also stupid and not at all sophisticated. Just realistically, if UM got caught doing it, it's most likely that other teams are doing the same sort of thing, probably just in a less stupid way.