If you don’t play in your teams bowl game, you’re ineligible for the first 4 games next season. Wouldn’t stop the ones going to the NFL, but would stop the portal opt outs.
One solution to at least mitigate some of the opt outs
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You’re anti player rights. You must want them to starve. Sheesh. **
This is the only way to stop the opt outs. Instead of the swag bags, just pay the players cash payments.
Tell them that all agreements, NIL and scholarships, are void retroactively and repayable if they don't play every game they are healthy for. That would stop it completely.
How about just adjusting the Portal. If you go in, you have to sit out a season.
Can’t do that. NIL is not officially correlated with the school, and can’t be.
You can say what you want, but that’s the way it is. To discuss further is a waste of time.
Even if there was a way to make them play, is it possible they wouldn't put forth 100% effort to reduce the likelihood of injury? I sensed that with some of our players in the 2018 Outback Bowl when Iowa beat us 27-22. No way Iowa should have beaten that team.
Yeah, but you can set payment schedules and contractually set nonpayment terms if they choose to opt out.
Just don't know how many times it has to be said. NIL contracts can't be tied to performance or attendance. That is in the law.
Also Imagine if you are some top student-athlete and you are in the transfer portal or signing for the first time. One school offers you a NIL deal with that silly clause in it or the other popular notion that you will pay your own way and another school that wants to win doesn't. Players won't come to your school if they were doing that and other schools weren't. And we know there is always some schools that will not follow what the "rules" are.
Now imagine if that same student-athlete can earn $20,000 dollars if they play in that game and win or $15,000 dollars if they lose. Pay them a damn share of the money they are earning for the extra games you are demanding they play. Every other playoff system in money making sports has a share of the revenue. Make the winning share more than the losing share.
Agreed, but that doesn't address my point. You can set a schedule of payments. That CAN be tied to team events, as the contract is tied to Name and Likeness for team events. You can't tie it to performance, but you sure as hell can tie it to being on the team. You opt out of being on the team, you forfeit future payments due. Basic contracting. Of course, players can always fake an injury.
Sure, some players will want a guaranteed payday. Schools will have to ask themselves how much they want a player that wants upfront money and insists on offering no guarantees of their own. Schools will also have to ask themselves how much it is worth to "force" players to play in games they don't want to be there for (not that that problem originated with NIL).
I’m not sure there’s a way to force people to play. Maybe tie NIL money to it so that they get penalized if they opt out?
Again, you can’t do this. The contract is against NCAA rules and the players would always challenge it and win easily, even if some collective was dumb enough to create that paper trail.
People say you can break the rules, well, no you can’t, if there is an unhappy party who will equal on you.
Until we have pay for play, this is a moot point. Can’t be done through NIL.
Certainly can still be done on the black market though, but that’s not NIL.
Why? This would mean that players could sign an NIL and quit on day 1, and get full pay. I think you are confusing restrictions on performance and conditions on team specificity with schedules of payments, performance to the contract, and exclusivity.
Maybe the easiest way is have NIL deals be exclusive of other NIL deals (in practice other schools, if not stated that way in the contract so as to avoid NCAA rules about NIL deals being school-specific). Have a schedule of payments through the (school) year, slanted to the back end preferably. Transfer all you want, but if you sign a new NIL deal you are voiding the old one and any payments due. A transfer could transfer in Jan and wait out the deal until Aug, but that takes the chance that the new NIL deal disappears. Meanwhile, the contract includes required appearances (signings, events, etc). The transfer would have to either come back to Starkville over and over to fulfill the contract terms, or void it due to non performance of terms.
Obviously the top high school recruits will shy away from such deals so long as other schools offer more open ended paydays. But this absolutely should be the course taken with "diamond in the rough" guys.
Harder to do that for those that leave for the NFL, but that's always been a problem and it's a good problem to have.
That doesn't make any sense. It's a deal for name and Likeness (endorsement). Endorsement deals can include exclusivity and event appearance requirements. It COULD be written with no future requirements required for the signed, but it doesn't have to be. I think you are confusing the NCAA restrictions on tying it to on field performance or school exclusivity with standard endorsement deal requirements.
Not confusing anything, smartass. It's basically black market pay for play. You can get cute about it all you want, but it's nothing but a bunch of shady bullshlt. What, are you going to have an autograph session the day after the bowl game? He can still opt out and then go to the autograph session, and there's not a damned thing anybody can do about it. Because you can't write it in the contract for him to go to the bowl game. If you fight it, you will lose.
Don't be an idiot.
I'm not the one being an idiot. It's not shady, it's just business. If they're not ready for real business, tell them the JUCO would love to have them.
It doesn't cover every situation so it wouldn't cover every player. But you damn well should understand that most of these kids don't put themselves in the position to get no paycheck for several months until they can get a bigger one. Put them on a payment plan and force them to be in town regularly to get it. If they leave, they leave, but at least we are recouping some money.
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