Opting out makes even less sense in the expanded CFP

[18IsTheMan]

The irrational argument put forth for opting out after the CFP was introduced was that the CFP rendered bowl games meaningless, so why risk injury playing in a game that doesn't matter? Ok, fine, even though that really makes no sense at all since you can probably count on one hand the number of players in the history of bowl games who had their NFL careers adversely impacted by getting injured in a bowl game. It's just a red herring.

However, with the 12-team CFP, you're now playing in potentially four extra games. That increases your injury risk dramatically. The impact of the game's outcome is really irrelevant. If you suffered a career-ending injury in the 2nd round of the CFP vs the Cheez-it bowl, what does it matter?

Players aren't willing to play in a single game for fear of getting injured, but they're willing to play in potentially 4 additional games?

Nobody is thinking this through.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

Good Point.
I guess it's only meaningful vs meaningless games.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Good Point.
I guess it's only meaningful vs meaningless games.

Really, the fear of injury argument is just a ruse.

Boils down to selfishness and lack of character.

How long until you see players opt out if their team makes the CFP but doesn't get a first round bye?

 

[Rhode Island Dork]

Boils down to selfishness and lack of character.

Just wanted to see this posted again.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Just wanted to see this posted again.

The whole meaningless game and fear of injury nonsense are absolutely fallacious arguments and the expanded CFP just highlights that.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

Really, the fear of injury argument is just a ruse.

Boils down to selfishness and lack of character.

How long until you see players opt out if their team makes the CFP but doesn't get a first round bye?

Easy for someone to say that isn’t risking potentially millions and a lively hood. Tell your little spill to Alabama A&M’s medrick Burnette. Oh snap, sorry you can’t. He died from a football injury sustained in a game this year.

 

[gamecox4982]

I bet money if Sellers would tear a ACL playing against Illinois in a meaningless Gator Bowl folks would rip Beamer a new one for playing him.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I bet money if Sellers would tear a ACL playing against Illinois in a meaningless Gator Bowl folks would rip Beamer a new one for playing him.

What if he tore an ACL in a first round CFP game?

Ramifications for him are the same.

The "meaningless" argument your are thoughtlessly regurgitating is based in the notion that it would be selfish to put a player's health in jeopardy to advance team goals. That goal may be a bowl win. That goal may be a win in the CFP. Either way, the player is risking health for the advance of the team.

So what does the context matter if the ACL is injured in either type of game? If we made the CFP and Sellers suffered a career-ending injury in the first round game, what consolation is that to him?

 

[18IsTheMan]

Easy for someone to say that isn’t risking potentially millions and a lively hood. Tell your little spill to Alabama A&M’s medrick Burnette. Oh snap, sorry you can’t. He died from a football injury sustained in a game this year.

That was a regular season game, so you are making argument for not playing football at all.

Some do feel that way.

 

[Piscis]

Easy for someone to say that isn’t risking potentially millions and a lively hood. Tell your little spill to Alabama A&M’s medrick Burnette. Oh snap, sorry you can’t. He died from a football injury sustained in a game this year.

Not playing football at all is the only way to completely avoid an injury playing football. Is that what you are advocating?

Also, is a "lively hood" a bad neighborhood with a lot of energy and activity?

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

We should just do a copy and paste of this thread and then throw it up this time every year.
Some of the participants have changed but the same debate none the less every time.

 

[I4CtheFuture]

Easy for someone to say that isn’t risking potentially millions and a lively hood. Tell your little spill to Alabama A&M’s medrick Burnette. Oh snap, sorry you can’t. He died from a football injury sustained in a game this year.

Your rationale is wrong.

Based on your rationale, there's no sense getting out of bed in the morning because you MIGHT fall and get hurt. It's nonsense and a loser mentality. Period. Terrible life lesson.

 

[gamecock stock]

When teams see players opt out, then they know who will leave it all out on the field for the team and who won't. Hopefully, they draft accordingly.

 

[Piscis]

When teams see players opt out, then they know who will leave it all out on the field for the team and who won't. Hopefully, they draft accordingly.

I don't think so. NFL scouts know what players can do and have done over their college careers. Opting out of one meaningless game doesn't change their analysis of a player.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

That was a regular season game, so you are making argument for not playing football at all.

Some do feel that way.

How is a post season game any different than regular season when it comes to injury. The fact of the matter is that a first round player is risking a lot and you don’t see that. You say it’s a character issue and I say it’s a business decision. When the game is played doesn’t really matter. You’re faulting kids for opting out, I think that’s crazy. You have no skin in the game, they do.

 

[Rhode Island Dork]

I bet money if Sellers would tear a ACL playing against Illinois in a meaningless Gator Bowl folks would rip Beamer a new one for playing him.

Not me. If you have a football game, you start & play your #1 QB. Once they game is WAY in hand, like vs. Wofford, you pull him, but not before. Like Herm Edwards said, "you play to win the game."

 

[Yard_Pimps]

Your rationale is wrong.

Based on your rationale, there's no sense getting out of bed in the morning because you MIGHT fall and get hurt. It's nonsense and a loser mentality. Period. Terrible life lesson.

You can bet your sweet tail if I’m a surgeon, I’m not touching anything that could harm my hands. That’s not a loser mentality. That’s protecting your asset and livelihood. It only takes one wrong hit to ruin your career. Ask bo Jackson.

Only people that don’t have skin in the game see it this way. If my son were in this situation you can bet the house my advice would be to play it safe and preserve your lively hood in the nfl. Like I said it’s a buisness decision. People make conservative decisions when it pertains to their business every day. This is no different. It’s a game to you, to nfl players it’s how they feed their families.

 

[Rhode Island Dork]

How is a post season game any different than regular season when it comes to injury. The fact of the matter is that a first round player is risking a lot and you don’t see that. You say it’s a character issue and I say it’s a business decision. When the game is played doesn’t really matter. You’re faulting kids for opting out, I think that’s crazy. You have no skin in the game, they do.

With this line of thinking, I guess you wouldn't have a problem with a potential high draft pick "opting out" of the game vs. that school upstate. It's meaningless, right? Doesn't do a lick for us in the conference standings.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

With this line of thinking, I guess you wouldn't have a problem with a potential high draft pick "opting out" of the game vs. that school upstate. It's meaningless, right? Doesn't do a lick for us in the conference standings.

Not at all, if that’s what he chooses to do. I ultimately care about their future. That’s why they are going to college in the first place.

 

[Rhode Island Dork]

Not at all, if that’s what he chooses to do. I ultimately care about their future. That’s why they are going to college in the first place.

Got it. You pull for players, not the school.

 

[I4CtheFuture]

How is a post season game any different than regular season when it comes to injury. The fact of the matter is that a first round player is risking a lot and you don’t see that. You say it’s a character issue and I say it’s a business decision. When the game is played doesn’t really matter. You’re faulting kids for opting out, I think that’s crazy. You have no skin in the game, they do.

Again, your rationale is wrong. Period.

What *YOU* won't see, refuse to see, won't acknowledge is that by taking YOUR OWN RATIONALE.... there is no need to even get out of bed.

Too risky.

It's wrong. No matter how much you spin it, you will always , ALWAYS be wrong. Coming up with rationalizations to quit is a terrible lesson to reinforce into young people.... but I suspect you know that deep down and simply refuse to acknowledge how wrong it is.

More of your rationalizations:

Going to cook dinner? Better not turn on the stove. Too risky.
Need something from the store? Better not drive. Too risky.
Need to take a shower? Better skip it.....might scald yourself with the hot water.
Need to check the mail? Better just get it delivered to your bedside so you don't have to risk tripping.

I could do this all day. BOTTOM LINE: Rationalizations to quit on a "team" sport is WRONG! It will always be WRONG!

Spin away - your spin is WRONG.

 

[I4CtheFuture]

You can bet your sweet tail if I’m a surgeon, I’m not touching anything that could harm my hands. That’s not a loser mentality. That’s protecting your asset and livelihood. It only takes one wrong hit to ruin your career. Ask bo Jackson.

Only people that don’t have skin in the game see it this way. If my son were in this situation you can bet the house my advice would be to play it safe and preserve your lively hood in the nfl. Like I said it’s a buisness decision. People make conservative decisions when it pertains to their business every day. This is no different. It’s a game to you, to nfl players it’s how they feed their families.

You're wrong. Period.

 

[Rhode Island Dork]

Pretty sure it's a consensus that @Yard_Pimps is wrong.

 

[I4CtheFuture]

You can bet your sweet tail if I’m a surgeon, I’m not touching anything that could harm my hands. That’s not a loser mentality. That’s protecting your asset and livelihood. It only takes one wrong hit to ruin your career. Ask bo Jackson.

Only people that don’t have skin in the game see it this way. If my son were in this situation you can bet the house my advice would be to play it safe and preserve your lively hood in the nfl. Like I said it’s a buisness decision. People make conservative decisions when it pertains to their business every day. This is no different. It’s a game to you, to nfl players it’s how they feed their families.

Sugeon is a *SINGULAR* person - Ie: not a team......

You're never touching ANYTHING (your word) that could harm your hands?????........ Cool, I'd like to see the bubble you protect your hands in......bubble gloves????

And then you turn right around and insert a FOOTBALL PLAYER into your BLATANTLY WRONG argument....... Bo Jackson.....

Again, LIFE IS A RISK, if you're that much of a pansy, don't get out of bed.

I can do this all day because you are going to be WRONG no matter what you come up with. It's a loser mentality. It's rationalizing quitting. Nothing more.

 

[Uscg1984]

If we really want to do a deep dive into the meaning of "meaningless," couldn't we say that all college football game are meaningless? All sports for that matter? Nobody's life is being saved, no wars are won, no technological advancements being made, and no public policy created based on the outcome of a game. It's just entertainment.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

Got it. You pull for players, not the school.

No I pull for the school but I also understand a player making a buisness decision. No different than me choosing not to put my liability at risk for a client.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

Again, your rationale is wrong. Period.

What *YOU* won't see, refuse to see, won't acknowledge is that by taking YOUR OWN RATIONALE.... there is no need to even get out of bed.

Too risky.

It's wrong. No matter how much you spin it, you will always , ALWAYS be wrong. Coming up with rationalizations to quit is a terrible lesson to reinforce into young people.... but I suspect you know that deep down and simply refuse to acknowledge how wrong it is.

More of your rationalizations:

Going to cook dinner? Better not turn on the stove. Too risky.
Need something from the store? Better not drive. Too risky.
Need to take a shower? Better skip it.....might scald yourself with the hot water.
Need to check the mail? Better just get it delivered to your bedside so you don't have to risk tripping.

I could do this all day. BOTTOM LINE: Rationalizations to quit on a "team" sport is WRONG! It will always be WRONG!

Spin away - your spin is WRONG.

The one spinning is you. Because you’re just going over board with it. It’s a business decision no different than anyone else changing jobs. No being scared to exist as you make it out to be. I guess if you were a surgeon you would risk your own hands doing something you didn’t have to, that puts your lively hood at risk. Plenty of people would call that stupid.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

Sugeon is a *SINGULAR* person - Ie: not a team......

You're never touching ANYTHING (your word) that could harm your hands?????........ Cool, I'd like to see the bubble you protect your hands in......bubble gloves????

And then you turn right around and insert a FOOTBALL PLAYER into your BLATANTLY WRONG argument....... Bo Jackson.....

Again, LIFE IS A RISK, if you're that much of a pansy, don't get out of bed.

I can do this all day because you are going to be WRONG no matter what you come up with. It's a loser mentality. It's rationalizing quitting. Nothing more.

That’s your opinion but it doesn’t make it right. Doesn’t change the fact that I would advise not to put your future at risk. But you do you. I know what I would tell my son

 

[I4CtheFuture]

Not at all, if that’s what he chooses to do. I ultimately care about their future. That’s why they are going to college in the first place.

Wrong again.....

If you "Cared" about their future...... you wouldn't be encouraging young people that quitting on a team is "ok" - as long as it suits YOUR needs....

It's not ok. It never will be ok.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

If we really want to do a deep dive into the meaning of "meaningless," couldn't we say that all college football game are meaningless? All sports for that matter? Nobody's life is being saved, no wars are won, no technological advancements being made, and no public policy created based on the outcome of a game. It's just entertainment.

I beg to differ many a kids have been saved by football from a life of jail or worse.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

Sugeon is a *SINGULAR* person - Ie: not a team......

You're never touching ANYTHING (your word) that could harm your hands?????........ Cool, I'd like to see the bubble you protect your hands in......bubble gloves????

And then you turn right around and insert a FOOTBALL PLAYER into your BLATANTLY WRONG argument....... Bo Jackson.....

Again, LIFE IS A RISK, if you're that much of a pansy, don't get out of bed.

I can do this all day because you are going to be WRONG no matter what you come up with. It's a loser mentality. It's rationalizing quitting. Nothing more.

Redicoulous argument. Taking a shower or cooking is not the same as risking millions and your future in the NFL no matter how you want to spin this dumb ****. Again you have no skin in the game. You are not putting millions on the line.

 

[I4CtheFuture]

Pretty sure it's a consensus that @Yard_Pimps is wrong.

I have him on ignore now. He's wrong. Probably wrong on more than just football.

 

[Rhode Island Dork]

Redicoulous argument. Taking a shower or cooking is not the same as risking millions and your future in the NFL no matter how you want to spin this dumb ****. Again you have no skin in the game. You are not putting millions on the line.

 

[HuntinAces]

Some of these players don’t mind going to the Senior bowl, where maybe the visibility to the right people are enhanced.
More of a scrimmage and practice related, but I would argue that would be considered assuming risk also.
The fact of the matter despite how the fan may feel, is the value of the bowl games will decrease for players. There is now an expanded chance for a championship, which is more of a factor than added risk.
ROI just won’t be the same, certainly so when 12 teams goes to 16 or whatever.
What is really on the line for this team is 10 wins, so I don’t feel any bowl game to be meaningless because a rare feat in the history of our school.
The real question is will bowls be able to market the ROI factor for those that have the opportunity to advance their career to the next level and will be the last year of college.

 

[Johnny She Said]

How is a post season game any different than regular season when it comes to injury. The fact of the matter is that a first round player is risking a lot and you don’t see that. You say it’s a character issue and I say it’s a business decision. When the game is played doesn’t really matter. You’re faulting kids for opting out, I think that’s crazy. You have no skin in the game, they do.

Juniors have been opting out entire seasons.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

Juniors have been opting out entire seasons.

Again if your clout is good enough to net you a first round be mad at the NFL, not the player. The player is making a buisness decision. Don’t hate the player hate the game. They don’t have character issue by doing so they are actually being smart in my opinion. I don’t like it but it’s the right decision for them.

If I were a GM it would certainly be a strike against them for me but that doesn’t matter. They are doing what’s best for them as they should.

 

[18IsTheMan]

If a football player were REALLY scared of incurring an injury that could cost him millions of dollars, it would not not matter if the game in question were the Gasparilla Bowl or a first round CFP game.

Anyone with 2 working brain cells knows the limp dick "meaningless game" argument is a fallacious ruse.

 

[atl-cock]

I bet money if Sellers would tear a ACL playing against Illinois in a meaningless Gator Bowl folks would rip Beamer a new one for playing him.

No ripping from me.

 

[atl-cock]

Not playing football at all is the only way to completely avoid an injury playing football. Is that what you are advocating?

Also, is a "lively hood" a bad neighborhood with a lot of energy and activity?

You could make that argument to avoid injury by avoid all sport altogether.

Of course, not all sports come with the same degree of risk.

 

[Uscg1984]

I beg to differ many a kids have been saved by football from a life of jail or worse.

So, we're watching football to save lives? I'll remember that one if my wife ever complains about how much football I watch.