So who are the dead bodies found floating in the water? And who killed them? Guesses?
OT - anyone watching the conclusion of White Lotus tonight?
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Tanya seems obvious but maybe too obvious. I’ll say it’s gonna be Cameron and Ethan as Ethan seems ready to snap.
Tanya has been dripping with foreshadow but yeah, maybe a bit obvious. Weirdly predicting one of the escorts and maybe grandpa. If the deaths are related think it could be Ethan and Cameron (kill each other?).
Receptionist girl and her boyfriend/fiancé. 
The show feels like it has more than 1 episode left in it. Can't wait to see how it unfurls.
The show feels like it has more than 1 episode left in it. Can't wait to see how it unfurls.
I’m thinking maybe Albie and Dominic, and maybe even the grandfather kill the pimp and his friends. Or perhaps somehow Greg returns and somehow Tanya has him killed and perhaps somehow someone else dies too. Can’t wait to see who. Greg is a loose end which they need to deal with, as is the creep who is supposed the nephew who has latched onto the cute assistant of Tanya. I could see him getting killed.
Well it WAS the obvious but with a twist to add to the body count.
That was quite a body count. So I guess Greg got the money because of the prenup? And the Hooker made out as well as it was a scam all along. The receptionist plot line went no where in the end! And everyone else lived happily ever after (maybe). Fun show. I’ll miss Tanya in season 3. She will be hard to replace. Did I miss anything?
Man, I was so happy Tanya took everyone out but then so bummed when she died. Mostly because I didn’t want Greg to get her money. Maybe we’ll see him again in S3 (to die of course)? Felt bad for Albie and thought Portia was gonna bite it too. Overall a good season - they leaned more into the murder stuff than in S1 but it worked.
My one lingering question - did Ethan bang Daphne?
Lesson learned - don’t mess around with an Italian Hooker. 50,000 euros is an expensive lesson. She really set him up.
On a more serious note, the cinematography, direction, costume design, art, etc., on this season were really outstanding. HBO really blew the budget for production for this series and it made it terrific to watch. I’m not sure what locale they will choose for the next season but it will be hard to top this one. Kudos to them.
On a more serious note, the cinematography, direction, costume design, art, etc., on this season were really outstanding. HBO really blew the budget for production for this series and it made it terrific to watch. I’m not sure what locale they will choose for the next season but it will be hard to top this one. Kudos to them.
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Tokyo (my personal pick). But, Mike White says it will be set 'somewhere' in Asia and likely be about 'spirituality/death' (says S1 was about money, S2 about sex).
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In a previous episode, Daphne was telling Harper about her personal trainer on the side, and she went to show her a picture of the blond, blue-eyed trainer. But she "mistakenly" showed Harper a picture of her two blond, blue-eyed children instead. Daphne came across as a naive rich girl, but she was really a cold-blooded assassin.
Right. She has a lot of fun and a great lifestyle. She and Cameron are happy enough, but she's not going to let his infidelity ruin her good time - she gives as good as she gets and that's basically what she told Ethan and Harper to do. I mean, fidelity aside, Daphne and Cameron seem to have a great time together. I think, and assuming Ethan and Daphne got busy on their little walk, Ethan sort of saw that his and Harper's desire for absolute honesty at all costs was ruining them.
And, Daphne:
Contrary to what some here might think, and as much as we all wanted him to, there’s really no evidence that he did…although something did reignite the spark for his wife. My question is: Are Ethan and Harper becoming just like Cam and Daphne?
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I actually read, right before watching the finale, that Jennifer Coolidge had just signed up for season 3. So I was as surprised as anyone that she bit the big one. Maybe she has a twin sister?
Most critics seem to think they did, which is what re-ignited his passion for Harper later that night....
Season 1 was good, but I thought, overrated. Season 2 was phenomenal.
I'm one of the few that's glad Tanya's gone. Ugh that character was just painful to watch and an awful, soul-sucking, mentally-effed up person.
I'm one of the few that's glad Tanya's gone. Ugh that character was just painful to watch and an awful, soul-sucking, mentally-effed up person.
Define "evidence." Goody-two-shoes dude wants nothing to do with his wife, sexually ... then he thinks his friend banged his wife, so he's just absolutely pissed and almost ready to murder him, and still wants nothing to do with his wife ... then an obvious cheater who gets back at her cheating husband by cheating on him herself invites goody-two-shoes to a secluded place. Next thing you know, he's "forgiven" his wife and lusting after her again.
That's overwhelming evidence by narrative. Just because we didn't see them naked and thrusting doesn't mean the storytelling didn't give plenty of evidence to support the fact that they banged, and now he's unleashed all those pent up energies (through violence and then sex).
That seems to be the consensus. Do you think Harper and Cam did it when they went back up to the room after flirting at the bar and the door was locked?
According to the narrative, sure they did. But that's why the storytelling is great ... it leaves you hanging and wondering. Sure, her story changed (but, then again, so did Ethan's, even though he really did nothing wrong ... another great tidbit to swirl the mind), which would lead you to believe she cheated ... and then even her subsequent story didn't seem to satisfy the narrative gaps after she admitted her prior story wasn't truthful. But they show Ethan not cheating ... and they don't show Harper cheating/not cheating and then Ethan/Daphne cheating/not cheating .. which, again, may lead one to think that cheating occurred in the latter two instances.
We obviously can't say for sure ... but I tend to think the storytelling hinted that they both cheated.
This is the first series season in a long time where I was just waiting to see "what the freak happens next"? Maybe the first time since True Detective Season 1. It was great.
I mean, absolute honesty isn't bad unless you're doing things you shouldn't. So it wasn't ruining them until they started doing things they didn't want to be honest about. And now they're just in a crappy relationship where they aren't honest with each other. It almost tries to tell the story like that's the only truth that can exist, that nobody is possibly just in an honest relationship and also happy.
Glad I'm not alone. I hated when I heard she was back, I absolutely couldn't stand her in season 1. She was somehow more tolerable this season, but I'm so glad she's gone now. I can only watch "painfully dumb and slow but rich" for so long.
They were honest, but boring. The 'spark' or mystery or whatever you want to call it was missing from their marriage (and had been for a while). Harper mentions more than a few times how much Ethan likes porn, isn't into her, etc. I mean, she even catches him 'Bob'ing' it one morning and when she offers to help he declines and takes a shower. They actually have a very honest relationship but it's not exciting or romantic; they're too familiar and don't have any secrets. Daphne and Cameron have a dishonest relationship but it's romantic and fun.
I will say I'm super happy Mia and Valentina had happy endings; they deserved it. I'm bummed Lucia turned out to be nothing more than a con artist but Albie didn't seem too bummed.
The good thing about this series is that it left us with all this to dwell on. Lots of complex characters and hanging endings.
I do think the laziest writing surrounded Tanya's demise.
They spent all this time during the season building up that she is in danger ... but when the time comes for her to be taken care of, suddenly a professional killer in the mafia leaves his bag closer to her than to himself or any of the guys? And a fat old lady in heels is able to scoot off and grab the bag before anyone can do anything about it ... or, they just let her grab a bag with apparently the only gun on the ship contained within. I mean, they had to know, at this point, that she was more than suspicious of what was happening, and the only way she could really cause any trouble is if she had the gun, so why make it so accessible to her? They went through all of this planning, and this long play ... they had to get her to Sicily, they had to have her meet these guys, establish a relationship with them, then hook up with the mafia dude ... and they had to then, on the fly, adjust to Portia being there because she wasn't in the plan ... so they had to find a guy who could woo her and keep her occupied. I mean, all this stuff had to happen in a particular order, and culminate to this one point in time at this one place ... and they pull it off ... hundreds of millions of dollars hangs in the balance. And they just get that lazy at the end?
They spent all this time during the season building up that she is in danger ... but when the time comes for her to be taken care of, suddenly a professional killer in the mafia leaves his bag closer to her than to himself or any of the guys? And a fat old lady in heels is able to scoot off and grab the bag before anyone can do anything about it ... or, they just let her grab a bag with apparently the only gun on the ship contained within. I mean, they had to know, at this point, that she was more than suspicious of what was happening, and the only way she could really cause any trouble is if she had the gun, so why make it so accessible to her? They went through all of this planning, and this long play ... they had to get her to Sicily, they had to have her meet these guys, establish a relationship with them, then hook up with the mafia dude ... and they had to then, on the fly, adjust to Portia being there because she wasn't in the plan ... so they had to find a guy who could woo her and keep her occupied. I mean, all this stuff had to happen in a particular order, and culminate to this one point in time at this one place ... and they pull it off ... hundreds of millions of dollars hangs in the balance. And they just get that lazy at the end?
Great thoughts. Kind of agree with you, but I have to revert to this line of thinking.
The premise of the show is junkfood: its a momentary satisfaction, but not filling long-term.
The last 2-3 episodes felt rushed in comparison to how the first 3-4 seemed slower paced and deliberate.
The ambiguity of the other endings kind of tie in, but yes, it does seem sloppy to have Tanya somehow get the gun and successfully shoot 3 or 4 gents. I can live with her getting the gun 100x more than the frantic successful shot rate.
Maybe I’m reading too much into it. I agree completely with what you said, just not the idea that it’s binary; I.e., that you have an honest but boring relationship with no spark, or a mysterious relationship with secrets that’s romantic and fun. Perhaps I should read it more as just these two couples relationships than a commentary on all relationships.
I was the same way! My wife kept asking, “Who’s going to die?” but I didn’t care. I was just enjoying the ride.
I don’t think it was sloppy writing at all. Tanya was always the victim, totally dysfunctional and they were probably told this by Greg. I don’t think they had any worries about Tanya at all. Tanya getting the gun and almost shooting her way off the boat was the big set up for her finally being able to do something herself, and then, “klunk”, she dead.
The only main character to not get laid on the show was grandpa Bert.
We all completely underestimate the people in our lives daily. Even the best of us still piss all over them in how we view them, how we discuss them.
The music was also outstanding. Just gave you the constant feeling something was about to happen.
I am half way into ep 6 and I dont see all of this murder and bodies. I was hoping for Harper to get back at her husband, and since he is into porn, that she would have a three way with Daphne and her husband, and have him watch, Harper is starting to show off a rocking body ! throw the flag !
I mean, that would have been an outstanding ending! Throw in the Italian escorts too!
Picking the flag up for you too…
thank you!! She rocks it there!! Now Daphne is cutter than a speckled pup!! imoI mean, that would have been an outstanding ending! Throw in the Italian escorts too!
Picking the flag up for you too…
I just finished this, and really enjoyed it!! I mean how could you not with such rocking bodies everywhere you turned. the one thing I can not figure out (and I am a boater ftr) is why on earth Tanya just didnt walk down to the swim platform on the back of the boat, and get into the other boat from there?? Trying to crawl over the side was just plain too stupid!!
I always thought Daphne and her husband were trying to set up an investment scam to take some of Ethan's money. That said I still like my idea of a three way Daphne and Harper and maybe the piano player?
anyway cant wait to see Harper in Black Lotus that is coming out!!
I always thought Daphne and her husband were trying to set up an investment scam to take some of Ethan's money. That said I still like my idea of a three way Daphne and Harper and maybe the piano player?
anyway cant wait to see Harper in Black Lotus that is coming out!!
I think Tanya was scared that there was still the boat driver on board and she wanted to get off as soon as possible (and turned out to be a fatal mistake). I think Daphne was mostly along for the ride and didn't care either way about what her husband was up to.
to nit pick, the fastest way off that boat would be via the swim platform, but then she wouldnt have slipped and fell and hit her head, so I get that, but still that was dumb. I agree Daphne was along for the ride, and she looked good doing it, but I still think her husband wanted to scam Ethan out of some money.
as an aside, an administrater here at Marshall university had a hot wife, throw the flag if you must. The couple was coming back from something at the Greenbriar resort. About half way home, she admits to having an affair with her personal trainer while working out . The guy pulls the car over and tells her to get out, they were done, she could walk home. They were about 100 miles away.!! I never saw that coming from that guy!!
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