My concern would be that, although his two regular seasons were good, against better HBCU competition in that bowl they play, they were 0-2. SC State utterly shelled them in 2022.
OT: Coach Prime and CU are getting gutted
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By gutting the team, he is not coaching - he is the HR Manager.
Some of those players may have developed into respectable players with proper coaching, as the prior staff saw something when they signed them.
I think he was able to engineer a pretty quick turnaround at Jackson State because his notoriety brought in a small number of FBS-level players, most notably Shedeur. With the overall talent level in that league, a small number of FBS-level players is enough to tip the scales in your favor. It takes more than a few players at a P5 school.
Yep. That's what I loved about Beamer. He came in, looked at what he had to work with, rolled up his sleeves and got to work. He actually coached and somehow, miraculously, took a 2-win team to a bowl win. Deion's strategy makes sense if you're loading up on 4* guys or proven 3* guys, but he's mostly taking 3* bench-warmers from other schools.
It's not much of a gamble to overhaul the roster on a terrible team. They won one ballgame last year. If Deion can get a few wins he can get momentum for the next batch of recruits and transfers. This year watching Deion coach will be a bigger attraction than the quality of the football team for Colorado fans.
Both Lou and Spurrier released the two best players they inherited (Troy Hambrick and Demetrius Summers) when they came to South Carolina. Retaining even the best players on a bad team is not as a high of a priority for a high profile coach implementing his system. If Deion can get a first year similar to what Shane achieved, recruits nationwide will be attracted to Colorado.
Both Lou and Spurrier released the two best players they inherited (Troy Hambrick and Demetrius Summers) when they came to South Carolina. Retaining even the best players on a bad team is not as a high of a priority for a high profile coach implementing his system. If Deion can get a first year similar to what Shane achieved, recruits nationwide will be attracted to Colorado.
Well, Spurrier released Summers due to a failed drug test. And releasing one or two players isn't quite the same as 49.
It's questionable that he's overhauling the roster though. He's replacing 3* guys with 3* guys. I think the gamble comes in that you've got a few weeks to turn 65 new players and 20 returning players into a cohesive unit.
Yes, I know of a Div. I, non-Power-Five school that will enter fall practice with 38 new players. That's on a 65-scholarship team. There's a chance they will improve by reason of the turnover in that they weren't very good last year. In the case of a Power-Five team, I can't see it. But Prime will get two or three years to gain some traction. The real question might be his own resolve to stick it out. He might bail.
I can see that happening. With Prime's self absorbed and self serving personality it's all about attracting attention to himself. If that attention turns negative - bailing would be his logical choice.
Exactly my thoughts. His actions indicate to me that he's looking for a quick fix, but there really are no quick fixes for a 1-10 P5 team. He was able to pull off a quick fix at Jackson State for the reasons mentioned. Does he have a 5-6 year rebuild in him? Or is he expecting the Coach Prime touch will get it done in 2 seasons and then he can jump to a bigger job?
I remember Jackie Sherrill at Mississippi State recruiting all those JUCO players….was successful for a while but never was consistent.
This is exactly the reason I have never viewed him as a true "coach". I don't see a major program which he would look to jump to being open to the "Prime House Cleaning Strategy".
There won't be any bigger job for him unless this works amazingly. It's hard to see a good outcome.
At the end under Sherrill, the culture at Miss. State was terrible. The coaches completely lost control.
I remember reading one article, written, by one of their traveling press members, stating his surprise at how unaffected the team was after a really bad performance on the road. They were laughing it up on the plane ride back, having food fights, almost riotous with no concern over their terrible day's work.
The writer asked one of the assistant coaches, seated near the front of the plane, his reaction to the team's ambivalent attitude, and he responded, "We're just trying to get through the year."
The inmates had stormed the prison and the guards had been bound and gagged.
Sorry, but Boyd was a better player than Summers. Cory even had more total ydg than Meat in '04 & went on to be a star in the CFL for a few seasons.
Steve managed quite well in '05 with the loss of both of those guys (Boyd was suspended for the season).
Yep....where are the leaders? What happens when you start getting beat? Are those 3* transfer guys mentally tough?
Time will tell.
Seriously....I did a little research on this:
JSU
- didn't play any FBS teams
- didn't play in the FBS playoffs, so they never played any of the traditional FBS power house teams (SDS/NDS/Montana St/etc).
- finished ranked 156th nationally in Sagarin's ratings.
- strength of schedule was 242 out of 261 (includes FBS & FCS teams). Furman, El Cid, Wofford and SCSU all played tougher schedules.
- Colorado was rated #1 in strenght of schedule.
- So Sanders is going from 242 to 1 in strenght of schedule.
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Boyd having better stats and career than Meat had zero to do with who was the better player. No question Meat was the better player. They both had issues early on, but Boyd was able to dust himself off and have a good career. Meat just kept being Meat.
No he wasn't. Kinda like the legend of Bobby Wallace. Meat was faster, Boyd a more complete player.
The creme rises to the top.
Not always. Derek Watson had a great upside, but he dropped a lot of it beside the road someplace. Anyone who watched Boyd and Meat knows that Meat was clearly more gifted - clearly.
"Gifted" v. productive. There's a reason Boyd has more career yds receiving that any other Gamecock RB.
I never said that Meat met his potential. No one is saying that. Had he done so, his legacy would have eclipsed all but one or two other Gamecock running backs, and Boyd easily.
Well said, I was thinking of how to express the arithmetic of their roster. What comes to mind, their is a limit to the number of power 5 ready players available. Other teams are going after them as well. It will be interesting to see the results. If CU does this an has a good season, you have not seen the last of his method.
That's almost enough reason to cheer for their failure. I would not want this model to become more widespread. (I know, good luck with that)
“No relationship with [Sanders] at all,” Gray said. “I said what’s up to him a few times. I’m not sure he knew the names of half the kids he got rid of. He was worried about who he brought in. If you were on the 1–11 team, it seemed like he didn’t really care about us at all. He already said he was going to get rid of 25–30 of us, and that’s exactly what he did.”
"Coach Prime just told me up front, 'We have plans to go another way. You competed. You did everything we wanted you to this spring, and you fought,'" transferring safety Jeremy Mack Jr. said. "That was my first meeting with Coach Prime since I've been here."
"None of the new coaches would talk to the old players and treat us the same as the people they brought in," outgoing tight end Zach Courtney told The Athletic. "The new guys wouldn't be picked on as much in film. Coaches would tell them to just do better, but if it was an old player, they'd keep going off on what you did wrong and keep yelling about it."
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Frankly, I think the old players should have banded together and refused to transfer.
"Coach Prime just told me up front, 'We have plans to go another way. You competed. You did everything we wanted you to this spring, and you fought,'" transferring safety Jeremy Mack Jr. said. "That was my first meeting with Coach Prime since I've been here."
"None of the new coaches would talk to the old players and treat us the same as the people they brought in," outgoing tight end Zach Courtney told The Athletic. "The new guys wouldn't be picked on as much in film. Coaches would tell them to just do better, but if it was an old player, they'd keep going off on what you did wrong and keep yelling about it."
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Frankly, I think the old players should have banded together and refused to transfer.
When Colorado hired Sanders, they hired a personality disguised as a coach, not a coach. Hopeless situations sometimes produce desperate actions which are not well thought out.
If I'm a player going there, I'd be wondering "Well, shoot, if we stink next year, is he gonna gut the roster again?"
Exactly! Particularly HS recruits who can go many other places will ask - can I trust this man?
Portal U with many ????? has been created.
I saw the YouTube vid of PRIME TIME introducing himself to the guys. Everyone who was part of that ONE WIN team was put on notice. Get in gear or get out. Old staff was fired. Current Players looked all wide-eyed and scared.
Most of the players who jumped in the portal (lots of them probably cut from the team) have likely played their last game of college football. They weren’t wanting to be competitive.
Colorado has lots of players coming in and I think the program will be fine.
Most of the players who jumped in the portal (lots of them probably cut from the team) have likely played their last game of college football. They weren’t wanting to be competitive.
Colorado has lots of players coming in and I think the program will be fine.
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