OT - for those dialed into the upcoming legislative session - online gambling

greenbean.sixpack

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Any chance the legislature will take up online gambling this session? I understand wanting to protect our land based casinos, so just let those companies who have land based operations offer online gambling. As there are no casinos within an hour drive of most of the folks in the Jxn Metro, the state is leaving a lot of potential tax money on the table as many of those folks are using off shore gambling sites.
 

horshack.sixpack

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Any chance the legislature will take up online gambling this session? I understand wanting to protect our land based casinos, so just let those companies who have land based operations offer online gambling. As there are no casinos within an hour drive of most of the folks in the Jxn Metro, the state is leaving a lot of potential tax money on the table as many of those folks are using off shore gambling sites.
If it can be backwards, and/or contribute to politicians bankroll, you can rest assured that is the way it will go in MS. I'm sure that the casinos we have are big lobbyists against seeing this happen.
 

johnson86-1

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If it can be backwards, and/or contribute to politicians bankroll, you can rest assured that is the way it will go in MS. I'm sure that the casinos we have are big lobbyists against seeing this happen.
My understanding is the casinos are wanting online sports gambling provided the law requires that they tied to a brick and mortar casion's sports book.

May not be accurate to say they want it. May be that they see it as inevitable and they want to make sure it's done in a way that they get their cut.

I actually think for the state of Mississippi that's probably the way it should be. Ignoring any matters of principle and just making sure more of the money stays in Mississippi, I think it's better to protect our brick and mortar casinos. If they do that, they probably need some concessions from the casinos about paying additional taxes if the labor for the website and/or app is in Las Vegas or somewhere else.
 

horshack.sixpack

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My understanding is the casinos are wanting online sports gambling provided the law requires that they tied to a brick and mortar casion's sports book.

May not be accurate to say they want it. May be that they see it as inevitable and they want to make sure it's done in a way that they get their cut.

I actually think for the state of Mississippi that's probably the way it should be. Ignoring any matters of principle and just making sure more of the money stays in Mississippi, I think it's better to protect our brick and mortar casinos. If they do that, they probably need some concessions from the casinos about paying additional taxes if the labor for the website and/or app is in Las Vegas or somewhere else.
gotcha. I have some casino customers, but I'm pretty ignorant on their position on online gambling. I just assume the worst when it comes to politician's motivations for doing/not doing things...
 

johnson86-1

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gotcha. I have some casino customers, but I'm pretty ignorant on their position on online gambling. I just assume the worst when it comes to politician's motivations for doing/not doing things...
Well, I am taking that from what one legislator that is on the gaming committee said, and he didn't say it quite so straightforwardly. Sounded to me like the casino lobby is ready to deal, but it's also possible their position is they're going to go to the mat to stop it but if for some reason they can't, they're going to go to the mat to make sure they still get a cut.
 

horshack.sixpack

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Online gambling, recreational marijuana, & online alcohol ordering are not likely to happen in MS soon. Too many backwards ******** in charge here.
Semi-related note: Anybody on here have a disproportionate number of people that they know move to Colorado post legalization? In all my years, I had one family that I knew who moved there beforehand. Since legalization, I know of lots of people who suddenly decided to move to Colorado.
 

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I don't know anyone that's moved there, but if I did, I would hope that it was for a better reason than just so they could legally smoke. That's pretty narrow minded isn't it? I mean just the snow alone would make it a NOPE for me, not counting the raging liberals
 
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greenbean.sixpack

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Semi-related note: Anybody on here have a disproportionate number of people that they know move to Colorado post legalization? In all my years, I had one family that I knew who moved there beforehand. Since legalization, I know of lots of people who suddenly decided to move to Colorado.
I do know some friends who have recently rekindled friendships with relatives, friends, associates who live in CO.
 

Cantdoitsal

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If it can be backwards, and/or contribute to politicians bankroll, you can rest assured that is the way it will go in MS. I'm sure that the casinos we have are big lobbyists against seeing this happen.
I remember living in Memphis when Tunica Opened Up then Desoto County wanted in on the action and the "anti-gambling" crusade revved up their engines letting everyone know about the bad side of gambling such as crime and gambling addictions that can destroy families. Turns out all that anti-gambling advertising money was coming from the Tunica Casinos to keep the competition out.
 

DesotoCountyDawg

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I remember living in Memphis when Tunica Opened Up then Desoto County wanted in on the action and the "anti-gambling" crusade revved up their engines letting everyone know about the bad side of gambling such as crime and gambling addictions that can destroy families. Turns out all that anti-gambling advertising money was coming from the Tunica Casinos to keep the competition out.
It was also because they had invested so much money into where they were now they didn’t want to lose it all in a move to Desoto County.

As far as crime goes, it was pretty damn horrible after they opened. A lot of theft. We had trailers stolen and batteries stolen off of every piece of equipment. It calmed down after a while but for several years it was pretty terrible.
 
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Semi-related note: Anybody on here have a disproportionate number of people that they know move to Colorado post legalization? In all my years, I had one family that I knew who moved there beforehand. Since legalization, I know of lots of people who suddenly decided to move to Colorado.
I moved to CO in 2017, but that was just a bonus. lol
 

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It was also because they had invested so much money into where they were now they didn’t want to lose it all in a move to Desoto County.

As far as crime goes, it was pretty damn horrible after they opened. A lot of theft. We had trailers stolen and batteries stolen off of every piece of equipment. It calmed down after a while but for several years it was pretty terrible.
Would you say casinos were a net positive for the area, even considering how things are today? I go up there on business some and there are a lot of massive grown up parking lots and buildings that seem destined for returning to dust at some point. Make me wonder if it would've been better to just have left it as a field.
 

horshack.sixpack

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I don't know anyone that's moved there, but if I did, I would hope that it was for a better reason than just so they could legally smoke. That's pretty narrow minded isn't it? I mean just the snow alone would make it a NOPE for me, not counting the raging liberals
Maybe because I'm older, I just know more people, but I see a lot of mid-20's still trying to figure out life (normal) moving to CO to do so. I don't have any particular statistics, just observational on my part that it seems like a lot.
 

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Would you say casinos were a net positive for the area, even considering how things are today? I go up there on business some and there are a lot of massive grown up parking lots and buildings that seem destined for returning to dust at some point. Make me wonder if it would've been better to just have left it as a field.
It’s hard to say. It was a big boom for the county obviously when things were good pre recession and pre 2011 flood. Both of those events really put things into a tailspin.

The county was flush with cash and used it to do a lot of positive things like improving roads and building new schools etc but then there has been the slow degrading of the roads and improvements because they don’t have any money now. Some of it because of the economic downturn but a lot of it from corruption. They’ve started raising taxes to try and fill the void but it’s still not enough.
 
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johnson86-1

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Would you say casinos were a net positive for the area, even considering how things are today? I go up there on business some and there are a lot of massive grown up parking lots and buildings that seem destined for returning to dust at some point. Make me wonder if it would've been better to just have left it as a field.
This is not specific to Tunica, but I asked somebody involved in gaming one time about how he viewed its long term impacts on the community. My basic question was whether the Mississippi Gulf Coast would eventually turn into a ******** around the casinos like Atlantic city. His position was that gambling is good for a community as long as it's adding to something already there. Said Las Vegas was different because they were basically a one-off but that even then, they invested a lot of gaming revenue into additional attractions. Said the Coast would be good both because it had other amenities like the beach and water but also because the requirement to invest in things beyond the casino to get a license. Said Tunica and Greenville probably never should have had casinos and said Vicksburg was iffy. Said Atlantic City should have been fine but suffered from poor leadership. That didn't make me feel a lot better because I'm not sure how good the leadership on the coast is historically and whether it's likely to stay good even if it has been good since casinos have come.

That's coming from somebody that is in gaming and probably knows that it's not in his best interest for more places to legalize gambling, so maybe not entirely unbiased, but thought it was an interesting perspective.
 
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horshack.sixpack

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This is not specific to Tunica, but I asked somebody involved in gaming one time about how he viewed its long term impacts on the community. My basic question was whether the Mississippi Gulf Coast would eventually turn into a ******** around the casinos like Atlantic city. His position was that gambling is good for a community as long as it's adding to something already there. Said Las Vegas was different because they were basically a one-off but that even then, they invested a lot of gaming revenue into additional attractions. Said the Coast would be good both because it had other amenities like the beach and water but also because the requirement to invest in things beyond the casino to get a license. Said Tunica and Greenville probably never should have had casinos and said Vicksburg was iffy. Said Atlantic City should have been fine but suffered from poor leadership. That didn't make me feel a lot better because I'm not sure how good the leadership on the coast is historically and whether it's likely to stay good even if it has been good since casinos have come.

That's coming from somebody that is in gaming and probably knows that it's not in his best interest for more places to legalize gambling, so maybe not entirely unbiased, but thought it was an interesting perspective.
Good stuff. It just seems depressing when I drive through there.
 

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Good stuff. It just seems depressing when I drive through there.
I can tell you this from experience. If you were a retail business owner within 50 miles of any of the casinos when they opened.....you knew they had opened. At least initially they had a very significant effect on local retail businesses, sadly more so in the poorer areas. Many people got "hooked" early and started sacrificing even essentials to gamble. I hope that has long since changed since the newness wore off.
 

DesotoCountyDawg

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Good stuff. It just seems depressing when I drive through there.
The key to it working is leadership. The coast in general has good leadership, Tunica doesn’t. In fact it’s worse than when it started. All the people in charge that were good with handling the money got voted out.
 

horshack.sixpack

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I can tell you this from experience. If you were a retail business owner within 50 miles of any of the casinos when they opened.....you knew they had opened. At least initially they had a very significant effect on local retail businesses, sadly more so in the poorer areas. Many people got "hooked" early and started sacrificing even essentials to gamble. I hope that has long since changed since the newness wore off.
My observation, by appearance, which may be completely unfair, is that in MS casinos many of the people gambling in there are the ones who can least afford to lose money and the rest are retirees that find it entertaining I guess. I actually sent my kids a pic of a bunch of gray hairs mindlessly pushing buttons and asked them the odds that they also complained about how much time kids these days spent on phones and video games. I will start spending money at them as soon as both me, and the casino, refer to it as gambling. At present it is a gamble for only one side.
 
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thatsbaseball

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My observation, by appearance, which may be completely unfair, is that in MS casinos many of the people gambling in there are the ones who can least afford to lose money and the rest are retirees that find it entertaining I guess. I actually sent my kids a pic of a bunch of gray hairs mindlessly pushing buttons and asked them the odds that they also complained about how much time kids these days spent on phones and video games. I will start spending money at them as soon as both me, and the casino, refer to it as gambling. At present it is a gamble for only one side.
Well that was really the point of my post. While I'm sure the tax money collected has been put to good use (or not) there is and has been a very real downside to it that you don't realize unless you have witnessed the effects first hand.
 

greenbean.sixpack

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Would you say casinos were a net positive for the area, even considering how things are today? I go up there on business some and there are a lot of massive grown up parking lots and buildings that seem destined for returning to dust at some point. Make me wonder if it would've been better to just have left it as a field.
My completely uneducated guess on this. Big positive for the Coast, slight positive for Vicksburg, likely neutral to slight negative for Greenville and Natchez. I'm not at all familiar with the casino operations in Tunica.
 

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I don't know anyone that's moved there, but if I did, I would hope that it was for a better reason than just so they could legally smoke. That's pretty narrow minded isn't it? I mean just the snow alone would make it a NOPE for me, not counting the raging liberals
If we had the money, I would move to Glendwood/Carbondale CO for sure.
Incredible views, year round outdoors, and just a fun region overall.
That state's approach to pot got many to move, but recently a lot have moved for many other reasons.

Hell, I would live there in spite of that hypocritical outrage focused Bobert representing me.
 
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