OT for you real history buffs where is Sluggo
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Winner winner chicken dinner!!! Remembers battle of PT pleasant w chief Cornsalk
I remember studying the cause of the collapse while working my first year in the bridge department at Michael Baker, Jr.
I still don’t understand the “sluggo” connection.
I met Baker in the breakfast dinning room in 73’….I was taking the initial portion of the engineering state boards (E.I.T.)
Baker’s firm was involved in the design the 60’, 86’ and the 2000 expansion of the Beaver.
“the first bridge in the nation to use an innovative eyebar-link suspension system rather than a traditional wire-cable suspension.
But one of those eyebars had a small, unseen defect. The faulty eyebar eventually cracked and began to corrode, out of sight from the public or bridge inspectors. At about 5 p.m. on December 15, the eyebar failed, setting off a series of other failures that caused the bridge to collapse.”
I still don’t understand the “sluggo” connection.
I met Baker in the breakfast dinning room in 73’….I was taking the initial portion of the engineering state boards (E.I.T.)
Baker’s firm was involved in the design the 60’, 86’ and the 2000 expansion of the Beaver.
“the first bridge in the nation to use an innovative eyebar-link suspension system rather than a traditional wire-cable suspension.
But one of those eyebars had a small, unseen defect. The faulty eyebar eventually cracked and began to corrode, out of sight from the public or bridge inspectors. At about 5 p.m. on December 15, the eyebar failed, setting off a series of other failures that caused the bridge to collapse.”
Sluggo happened to be traveling by the site of the Battle of Point Pleasant which was during the French and Indian war vs Chief Cornstalk.I remember studying the cause of the collapse while working my first year in the bridge department at Michael Baker, Jr.
I still don’t understand the “sluggo” connection.
I met Baker in the breakfast dinning room in 73’….I was taking the initial portion of the engineering state boards (E.I.T.)
Baker’s firm was involved in the design the 60’, 86’ and the 2000 expansion of the Beaver.
“the first bridge in the nation to use an innovative eyebar-link suspension system rather than a traditional wire-cable suspension.
But one of those eyebars had a small, unseen defect. The faulty eyebar eventually cracked and began to corrode, out of sight from the public or bridge inspectors. At about 5 p.m. on December 15, the eyebar failed, setting off a series of other failures that caused the bridge to collapse.”
it was in Pt Pleasant, VA now WV, home of the Silver Bridge.
OK sluggo in the 3rd.
I did a little research about the battle after your initial post this morning looking for a Major Sluggo fighting for the French.
I figured the French and Indian war is like Country and Western music
no, no, no, no, no ... not going to allow misinformation about the 18th century go unchallenged.
The Battle of Point Pleasant (also known as the Battle of Kanawha) was fought long after the French & Indian War (aka the Seven Years War) had concluded.
The battle took place in what is commonly called Dunmore's War.
Lord Dunmore (John Murray, 4th Earl of Dunmore), was named governor of the Province of New York 1770. After the death of Norborne Berkeley, 4th Baron Botetourt, who was at the time of his death the governor of Virginia, Lord Dunmore was appointed as the governor of Virginia. Like many colonial governors, he saw his position as a way to make money. He would take money to either sell Virginia lands to those that sought them, or to grant them land. At the time, Virginia claimed all of what is currently West Virginia and Kentucky, and also thought that it should own modern-day Ohio, though at the time this had been set aside for Native Americans and the Crown and Parliament did not feel that any colony owned it.
Borders, especially western borders, were not as finite in the 18th century as they are today. The reason for that is a combination of colony charters and/or grants setting western borders that were part of other colonies, the borders not being surveyed, and simple greed on the part of settlers, land investors/speculators, and governors that wanted to make money, even by selling lands they didn't have authority to. (That's a truncated explanation for a pretty complex issue. I could spend pages writing about all the borders issues, and the causes of them.)
At the Treaty of Fort Stanwix, in 1768, the British Indian Department negotiated with Native Americans to establish western boundaries. The Iroquois were the lead negotiators for the Native Americans, and at the treaty they surrendered all land south of the Ohio River. The Shawnee, who were primarily in Ohio, but who considered the modern West Virginia and Kentucky as part of their hunting ground, objected to the Iroquois giving away "their" land, without having consulted them. As such, the Shawnee refused to honor the Treaty of Fort Stanwix, and there was fighting along the Ohio River and in WVA and KY, between the Shawnee and settlers.
Lord Dunmore wanted to force the Shawnee to honor the Treaty of Fort Stanwix. In addition, he felt that whoever controlled the Three Rivers area (modern day Pittsburgh) would control the Ohio River valley. (I should also note that Virginia had promised a lot of veterans plots of land for their service in the French & Indian War, and later state militia campaigns, and was running out of good land to grant, so it wanted Western PA, and the areas of modern OH, WVA, and KY for that purpose as well.)
The Penn family was not pleased by the claims that Lord Dunmore was making on Western PA, and wrote quite a few complaints to the King and the appropriate British authorities about that.
Dunmore raised forces for a two-pronged attack against the Shawnee. The first prong marched up the Kanawha River toward the Ohio River. The other prong marched into modern-day Pittsburgh, took over the remains of Fort Pitt and renamed it Fort Dunmore (and also reinforced it), and then headed west along the Ohio to meet up with the first prong.
Cornstalk, who was a Shawnee leader, elected to attack the first prong before the second prong linked up with it. I should go back and verify this, but going from memory, I believe that Colonel Lewis, who was commanding the first prong, sent out a food foraging party which by pure luck stumbled upon the Shawnee forces that had moved in during the night to attack the first prong. The gunfire from the foraging party alerted Colonel Lewis of the pending attack. The two sides fought a pitched battle throughout the day, but the Shawnee had based their attack plans on a surprise attack. In the late afternoon, a flanking maneuver by Colonel Lewis's troops caused the Shawnee to leave the battle, and retreat back across the Ohio.
As a result of the battle, Cornstalk elected to negotiate a peace with the Virginians. At the Treaty of Camp Charlotte, he gave up all Shawnee claims on the land south of the Ohio River.
The best book about the war is by Glenn Williams, and is titled, Dunmore's War: The Last Conflict of America's Colonial Era. I know Glenn, have heard him give presentations on the book, and have a signed copy of the book. It was published in 2017.
The Battle of Point Pleasant took place on October 10, 1774. The French and Indian war ended with the Treaty of Paris in 1763, so the Battle of Point Pleasant did not take place during the French and Indian War. Some people claim the Battle of Point Pleasant was the first engagement of the American Revolution. Indeed, there is an annual Battle Days festival in Point Pleasant that continues this claim. Virtually all historians of the American Revolution disagree with this claim. There are several other incidents for which people also make claims to being the first engagement of the American Revolution, though virtually all American Revolution historians agree that the battles of Lexington and Concord, on April 19, 1775, were the first engagements of the American Revolution, in large part because they were the first battles in which colonial soldiers (more than a year before the Declaration of Independence was adopted) exchanged gunfire with British troops.
Thank you that was the kind of information needed!!
Now one point, one wouldn’t travel up the Kanawha river to the Ohio, they would travel down. As noted by my fuel usage in the spring vs the fall!!!
But other than that thanks!!!
And BTW I thought there was an act of congress that made the battle of PT pleasant the first battle of the Revolutionary war!!!
If I recall correctly (too lazy to look it up), I believe such a bill passed the House of Rep. in the early 1900s, but did not pass the Senate.
In looking at what I wrote, that was kind of sloppy. I meant to indicate that the 1st prong marched up along the Kanawha River.
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