OT: Has Deion's star fallen?

[18IsTheMan]

Seeing mixed reactions to Colorado's season online. They peaked in their first game by beating TCU, who has turned out to be a bust this year and not likely to make a bowl. I think the main concern is that they seem to have gotten worse as the season has gone on. They came out electric to start the season, but it seems once there was tape on them, opposing coaches have figured them out pretty easily. They've gone 1-7 since their hot start, with the lone win coming over a very bad Arizona State team.

Obviously, the hype around Deion is that he can recruit, but we are now starting to seem some de-commits from Colorado based on various factors.

Stephen A. Smith is pushing him for A&M but that seems premature until he proves he can actually win at the P5 level. In my opinion. The assumption is that he'll recruit so much talent that they will naturally win and that will maintain recruiting. But, as we saw with Jimbo, he had the best ranked recruiting in history and it didn't translate to wins on the field. And, at some point, recruits will want to see you can win.

 

[adcoop]

I think Colorado is about where I expected. I was hoping they could go 6-6 and make a bowl. Their Offensive and Defensive Line play is too weak to expect more than that. The comeback loss to Stanford derailed that, but a win to against Cal to end the season can get some good feelings back into the program. Now, the hard work starts. Deion has to get out there, recruit some high level lineman and build the program from inside-out. Hype won't get this done. It's only Year 1, so to say his star is fallen is premature as well. The reality is that Deion is going to have to put in the work just like every other coach. Hype gets you commercials, not high level wins.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I think Colorado is about where I expected. I was hoping they could go 6-6 and make a bowl. Their Offensive and Defensive Line play is too weak to expect more than that. The comeback loss to Stanford derailed that, but a win to against Cal to end the season can get some good feelings back into the program. Now, the hard work starts. Deion has to get out there, recruit some high level lineman and build the program from inside-out. Hype won't get this done. It's only Year 1, so to say his star is fallen is premature as well. The reality is that Deion is going to have to put in the work just like every other coach. Hype gets you commercials, not high level wins.

I think they end at Utah. Don't see them winning that one.

I don't think if you look at the overall record, the season is a failure. They went from 1 win to 4 wins. For me it's that it appears once there was game film, opposing coaches figured them out.

 

[adcoop]

I think they end at Utah. Don't see them winning that one.

I don't think if you look at the overall record, the season is a failure. They went from 1 win to 4 wins. For me it's that it appears once there was game film, opposing coaches figured them out.

If you have Offensive Linemen and Defensive Lineman from powerhouses like Kent State and Dartmouth, you are going to lose when you start facing the real P5 programs. There is nothing to figure out. You just are not strong enough to hold up and results in Shadeur Sanders running for his life. I think Sanders has been sacked more than any other QB in the country. It even surpasses the type of pressure Rattler has been under all year.

 

[Big JC]

Deion and all of his players are "me, me, me" and that is the type of players he is going to continue to attract. A coach and players like that might be good for sound bites and entertaining interviews but a team made up of "ME" players is never going to win much. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Deion was the same way at Jackson State but he had NIL money the teams he faced didn't have so he could bring in talent far above that he faced so he looked like a good coach.

 

[adcoop]

I think they end at Utah. Don't see them winning that one.

I don't think if you look at the overall record, the season is a failure. They went from 1 win to 4 wins. For me it's that it appears once there was game film, opposing coaches figured them out.

You are right. They end up at Utah. I think Colorado ending at Cal was wishful thinking on my part. I think that is more their competition level for now. Yep, they will probably lose to Utah by three scores.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

From the very beginning I stated several times, that if CU won 4 games the season that could be labeled a successful season, considering.
Colorado's team last year was the very definition of abysmal. Although, CU has been totally outclassed in several games this season, Deion has brought energy to not only the fanbase, but has instilled energy to the players as well.
So in that respect I would call this year a success.

 

[adcoop]

Deion and all of his players are "me, me, me" and that is the type of players he is going to continue to attract. A coach and players like that might be good for sound bites and entertaining interviews but a team made up of "ME" players is never going to win much. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Deion was the same way at Jackson State but he had NIL money the teams he faced didn't have so he could bring in talent far above that he faced so he looked like a good coach.

That is not true. If they were all me type players, Travis Hunter would not be going out there playing 100 plays on a 4-7 team when he could easily pack it in for the draft. You are just looking at Deion's style and assuming they are all about themselves.

 

[Thunderstick]

Deion and all of his players are "me, me, me" and that is the type of players he is going to continue to attract. A coach and players like that might be good for sound bites and entertaining interviews but a team made up of "ME" players is never going to win much. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Deion was the same way at Jackson State but he had NIL money the teams he faced didn't have so he could bring in talent far above that he faced so he looked like a good coach.

Correct, these "me, me, me" players only care about their whips, sunnies and gold-plated chains. Their futures are not very bright save for a couple of them. Travis Hunter is clearly an exception.

Deion won't be there long.

 

[Tusi21!!]

About what I expected.

 

[18IsTheMan]

From the very beginning I stated several times, that if CU won 4 games the season that could be labeled a successful season, considering.
Colorado's team last year was the very definition of abysmal. Although, CU has been totally outclassed in several games this season, Deion has brought energy to not only the fanbase, but has instilled energy to the players as well.
So in that respect I would call this year a success.

For me it’s not so much that he got to 4 wins, it’s how he got there. No matter how you slice it, and no matter what their record was last year, starting 3-0 and finishing 4-8 is majorly disappointing. Almost every major outlet listed them as a bowl lock following their 3-0 start.

Again, for me, it seems the 3-0 start was fueled by hype and sizzle. Once there was game film, they went 1-7.

 

[adcoop]

For me it’s not so much that he got to 4 wins, it’s how he got there. No matter how you slice it, and no matter what their record was last year, starting 3-0 and finishing 4-8 is majorly disappointing. Almost every major outlet listed them as a bowl lock following their 3-0 start.

Again, for me, it seems the 3-0 start was fueled by hype and sizzle. Once there was game film, they went 1-7.

It says to me that those teams Colorado played in the beginning weren't really good. TCU was a shell of themselves which got people, who didn't really know the makeup of that squad, all hyped up. Nebraska has been a little better of late, but they still had Jeff Sims out there trying to play QB early and had no offense. ...and they barely beat a Colorado State squad that is a middling team in the Mountain West. I knew the season would change once they hit conference play. Blew the Stanford game and their FG kicker missed a late one that could have put them ahead on Arizona in the fourth quarter. In the other games, you really didn't see a path for them to win. Made a little come back against USC, but they were coming from 3-4 scores behind. They have been beaten pretty convincingly in all of the other games.

 

[18IsTheMan]

One CU player has come out and said they could have gone undefeated had they not played so selfish:

https://www.si.com/college/2023/11/18/colorado-kavosiey-smoke-says-selfish-buffaloes-couldve-gone-undefeated

He has since tried pretty weakly to walk the comment by back by saying people are trying to make something from nothing.

While it's quite a stretch to say this team could have gone undefeated....we've seen first hand just how crippling bad OL play is...I think selfish play goes hand-in-hand with the kind of culture Deion is building. When you have players flashing their watches before games and on social media at halftime hawking their gear (in games they would go on to lose), it shows a lack of a team-first mentality.

 

[18IsTheMan]

It says to me that those teams Colorado played in the beginning weren't really good. TCU was a shell of themselves which got people, who didn't really know the makeup of that squad, all hyped up. Nebraska has been a little better of late, but they still had Jeff Sims out there trying to play QB early and had no offense. ...and they barely beat a Colorado State squad that is a middling team in the Mountain West. I knew the season would change once they hit conference play. Blew the Stanford game and their FG kicker missed a late one that could have put them ahead on Arizona in the fourth quarter. In the other games, you really didn't see a path for them to win. Made a little come back against USC, but they were coming from 3-4 scores behind. They have been beaten pretty convincingly in all of the other games.

Yeah, their most solid win is probably Nebraska, but they were struggling big time to muster anything on offense.

 

[Big JC]

That is not true. If they were all me type players, Travis Hunter would not be going out there playing 100 plays on a 4-7 team when he could easily pack it in for the draft. You are just looking at Deion's style and assuming they are all about themselves.

Travis is auditioning for the NFL and doesn't want Deion bad mouthing him for not playing, which Deion would do. We also don't know what Travis' NIL contract says about deciding not to play. He may lose money or owe money back if he decides to quit playing.