EVs have their place, but it's not even remotely close being 50% of passenger vehicles in the US.
OT: Honda and Nissan merging. What happens in Canton?
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EVs are approaching 15% of new car sales in the US. We will almost certainly reach that point in 2025. If not, it will be early 2026. After that, mass adoption will rapidly escalate, so that EVs may very well capture 50% of the new car market by 2030.
The sticking point really is range. Once these solid state batteries are ready for mass production, range anxiety will be erased. Infrastructure will be an easier transition, too, since people won't need to charge as often.
I don't understand why the auto manufacturers are not heavily researching other zero emission technologies, though. Toyota was making great strides in hydrogen technology, but seems to have abandoned it. Seems like methanol or ethanol powered engines would be an option, but only Indy Car seems interested anymore.
The sticking point really is range. Once these solid state batteries are ready for mass production, range anxiety will be erased. Infrastructure will be an easier transition, too, since people won't need to charge as often.
I don't understand why the auto manufacturers are not heavily researching other zero emission technologies, though. Toyota was making great strides in hydrogen technology, but seems to have abandoned it. Seems like methanol or ethanol powered engines would be an option, but only Indy Car seems interested anymore.
PHEV & hybrids are very different from a fully electric vehicle. One or the other should be the vast majority of personal vehicles. With maybe 10-20% fully electric depending on user needs. 100% ICE just makes no sense.
Tesla's market cap is a bubble driven by Elon fanboys and Trump supporters.
I think hydrogen vehicles ran into some pretty insurmountable roadblocks. Methanol & ethanol are not much better than gasoline.
I'm on my second Ridgeline. That hidden storage trunk under the truck bed is a big time addition. The ability to raise the back seats practically allows a flat floorboard for my German Shepherd while the other trucks, especially midsize, have a raised track making it impossible to have a flat floorboard. My Shepherd cannot get up the back seat in a truck. The Ridgeline works great for me!
Man, that is a great show! Love BBT as an actor!
The only roadblocks I'm aware of with hydrogen fuel was that it's even further behind in infrastructure than electric. It's still a very promising solution for commercial vehicles. We aren't going to be flying electric commercial jets anytime soon.
I know alcohol burning still creates greenhouse emissions, but you can also use CO2 to make methanol, and approach carbon neutrality. Could be a really simple solution if the gubmint would just subsidize some research.
But I'm really just spitballing here. If I owned an auto manufacturer, I would have a whole division researching zero emission options and mot just focus on electric.
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I own the Titan, and I've had two Rogues. I honestly believe the safety features of the Rogue saved my wife's life and her accident a few years back. I hate Nissan is going belly up, but that is the way the beast is now. I've never been able to buy a Honda. Those people will not deal with you, but I have to admit they're excellent vehicles.
Hydrogen would be great, but the logistics appear to doom it for now. The power to produce it large scale is immense. Then you have to store it, transfer it, store it again, then fill the fuel cells.
We cannot make tires to hold air that’s mainly nitrogen. It seems like a complete production and transfer system of the lightest gas in existence would leak A LOT.
If you see an Altima in your rear view mirror, get the 17 out of the way
Like invites to certain parades with rainbow flags?
I imagine that's the crowd you would be running with considering your screen name!
Slingblade was likely the best acting performance of all time. Weird cat, but great actor.
There’s no telling the consequences from dumping tons of hydrogen from the leaks into the atmosphere would be. All types of power production have negative consequences.
For the folks that never haul more than a couple trash bags or maybe a kayak (which is large portion of truck owners), the Honda is a smarter buy. It's worthless if you have to do any work but I'm surprised more suburbians don't buy them.
At some level you are right, but institutional ownership is still +/- 65% of TSLA. The market believes in electrification of vehicles.... Now fartcoin on the other hand, well I have nothing.
CVT transmissions have done nissan no favors. Those things are ****. (gen 3 subarus have same prob).
I bought my current vehicle, a Crosstrek, 2 years ago for $35,000.
I tried to move mountains to get an ioniq5 EV and was willing to go to Colorado to buy one as that was the closest state selling them...but no dealers would sell one to someone out of state.
I then tried like hell to buy a rav4 hybrid or crv hybrid. The closest in stock was 350mi away and the rav4 was $49,500.
Doing the math with a +$.50 per gallon to the price of gas at the time, it was going to take like 12 years before I would break even in cost compared to my ICE Crosstrek.
And my Crosstrek has more safety driving features than that rav4 had.
...oh, and gas right now is less than it was them even.
We will try again in 18mo or so when my wife's vehicle goes to our youngest kid and she gets a new one.
Maybe the hybrid situation will work out then.
Datsun was just Nissans branding for their entry into the American market. Japan being a shame culture Nissan did not want their name on their American models initially in case they failed.
2025 was supposed to be huge year for a large automotive lighting company we work with. It was for the EV market and they provide lighting for just about everybody. We recently heard from them it is all put on hold for now as in no new lines. We are also close to Oval City in TN. We are hearing it is in a slowdown right now. And it was primarily being built for the Ford EV market. So is the EV market moving forward or slowing down? To me it looks like slowing down.
Close to same story here. Biggest problem with hybrids is the car makers mostly ignored them for too long to try to go straight to total electric. And the ones they did build were mostly under-powered crap. I bought my Mazda 6 turbo ICE for about $35000. Looked at hybrid Toyota Avalon and plug-in BMW 530e. The Avalon got over 40 mpg and wasn't too much more expensive. Great car, but not nearly as fun to drive & not as much power. 530e was great to drive, lots of power, & got 20 miles electric-only, so at least half my every day driving plus I'd have the convenience of a hybrid for trips. But it cost nearly $60,000. So I said screw it and bought the ICE, even though I wanted a hybrid and would have bought one if there were better options available.
Absolutely! Beautiful design.
When I was in college all the baller kids had Nissan Maximas. I couldn't pick out a Maxima on the street today without its badge and Altimas have replaced Monte Carlos as the official vehicle of White Trash/Ghetto.
2025 Camry is interesting to me. I know it is a vast departure, but I've been looking at M240i for something that gets decent mileage and is fun to drive. Something about the practicality of the new hybrid Camry caught my attention. I had also looked one of the used Avalon XSEs with the powerful V8. My pragmatism is trying to kill my desire for more fun.
We bought a Forrester about a year ago. The dealership had also gotten in on of the Subaru EVs. I was intrigued and told the salesman that I wanted to test drive it. He told me that he would not sell me that car. I kinda gave him a blank stare. He said that if he sold me that car he would lose any possibility of having me as a return customer. He flat out told me, you don’t want that vehicle.
It's already at 21%. Hybrids are considered electric and will be the bulk of the market share.
This merger will be an uphill battle. It's nowhere near a done deal. Nissan needs it desperately if they wanna be in business in 2026
You may laugh, but that is how adoption curves work. When color TVs were first introduced, no one wanted one. They were big, expensive, and there weren't many shows broadcast in color. Then the prices came down, color broadcasts went up, and within a couple if years color TVs were the norm. Nearly identical adoption of HDTV.
America and South Korea have been slow to adopt EVs. In most countries, EVs went from 5% of new car sales to 15% in under 3 years. We are taking closer to 4 years. But we will reach a mass adoption point where sales will accelerate rapidly.
I agree that 2030 could be overly optimistic to achieve 50% of new car sales, unless we get solid state batteries with over 600 mile ranges. But 2032 seems almost certain.
By 2035, our options for new ICE vehicles will probably be severely limited.
Never been a fan of the Camry's. And for years they were just butt ugly. This model is a little better in the looks dept, but still not great. If I had to buy a sedan today, I'd probably buy the Accord hybrid. But I'd look at the Camry hybrid & probably the Subaru Legacy. But honestly, I've driven the Mazda CX-5 SUV a few times and it's a great vehicle. I would definitely consider it too.
Thank goodness we got the democrats out of power. They would have made the internal combustion engine illegal. Then I couldn't drive around in my 68 Firebird. Battery power swap ??
You might want to hold up a bit on the celebration. Musk went all in on Trump for a reason.
No, he certainly isn't a Communist. he is a Muskist. You do remember where his fortune is based right? You might just see an outright ban on ICE if he has HIS way. He certainly will protect the current hostile climate to ICE.
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