OT: Jackson Mayor and Hinds DA go to trial Monday in federal court

[615dawg]

Feds have a >97% conviction rate and they are on video taking the bribe on a yacht in Miami. Will they change their plea to guilty or actually go to trial? Both are facing 120+ years if convicted on all counts.

I assume their defense is they believe they were entrapped. My understanding of entrapment is that if you are given a way to not break the law, that is not entrapment. So the police setting up near the bars to catch DUI drivers is not entrapment, because people have the choice to not drink and drive.

Mississippi needs a successful Jackson to advance. Even if these trials do not result in convictions, my hope is that the people of Jackson vote for a new mayor, whose goal is to fix the city, in March.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

Feds have a >97% conviction rate and they are on video taking the bribe on a yacht in Miami. Will they change their plea to guilty or actually go to trial? Both are facing 120+ years if convicted on all counts.

I assume their defense is they believe they were entrapped. My understanding of entrapment is that if you are given a way to not break the law, that is not entrapment. So the police setting up near the bars to catch DUI drivers is not entrapment, because people have the choice to not drink and drive.

Mississippi needs a successful Jackson to advance. Even if these trials do not result in convictions, my hope is that the people of Jackson vote for a new mayor, whose goal is to fix the city, in March.

Dude, if babychuck is on the ballot, he'll win in a landslide.

No one with any sense would take on the problems Jxn has. Best scenario is for Kim Wade to get elected mayor, but that's not happening.

 

[Anon1717806835]

Best bet might be to plea bargain and beg Biden to issue a pardon between now and January 20th.

They seem to like luxury vacations, so I think an all expense paid stay at a "Club Fed" is just what the doctored order for those losers.

 

[ababyatemydingo]

only 18,000 people even bothered to vote in the last Jackson municipal election, and he got 70% of the vote. the only hope of getting him out of office is a conviction. but sadly, Jackson will just elect another crooked grifter

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Dude, if babychuck is on the ballot, he'll win in a landslide.

Yep.

No one with any sense would take on the problems Jxn has. Best scenario is for Kim Wade to get elected mayor, but that's not happening.

I kind of like John Horhn.

With that said, Jackson’s problems are Big so I wonder how Anyone would negotiate with Tate, the Board of Supervisors, the Feds, and JXN Water.

 

[patdog]

My guess is this is happening because Bennie Thompson authorized it. And I suspect he has one of his men chosen to run for mayor. And honestly I think this is the best Jackson could hope for. Bennies a crook, but he can get things done.

 

[graddawg]

Feds have a >97% conviction rate and they are on video taking the bribe on a yacht in Miami. Will they change their plea to guilty or actually go to trial? Both are facing 120+ years if convicted on all counts.

I assume their defense is they believe they were entrapped. My understanding of entrapment is that if you are given a way to not break the law, that is not entrapment. So the police setting up near the bars to catch DUI drivers is not entrapment, because people have the choice to not drink and drive.

Mississippi needs a successful Jackson to advance. Even if these trials do not result in convictions, my hope is that the people of Jackson vote for a new mayor, whose goal is to fix the city, in March.

The case is not set to start tomorrow. That was the original trial date, but all parties requested at the case be deemed complex and the trial date continued. There is currently no trial date, and I would be shocked if goes in 2025 given the nature of the case.

 

[Maroon13]

The case is not set to start tomorrow. That was the original trial date, but all parties requested at the case be deemed complex and the trial date continued. There is currently no trial date, and I would be shocked if goes in 2025 given the nature of the case.

I was about to say.... that would be an extremely quick turnaround for the defense and US Attorney office.

 

[Called3rdstrikedawg]

My guess is this is happening because Bennie Thompson authorized it. And I suspect he has one of his men chosen to run for mayor. And honestly I think this is the best Jackson could hope for. Bennies a crook, but he can get things done.

No he cannot get things done. His district runs from the Tennessee line to the Louisiana line along the Mississippi River and includes Jackson. There are 3rd and 4th World Countries who are better off. And we alll know there is only ONE reason a democrat gets elected to that district. And it has nothing to do with accomplishments! I can assure you as long as democrats run that district, Jackson, Meridian, Greenville, Greenwood, Clarksdale, Natchez, and Vicksburg, there will never be the kind of progress that area needs!

 

[TaleofTwoDogs]

"The accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial." In today's jurisprudence that usually means about 2-3 years for high profile cases.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

My guess is this is happening because Bennie Thompson authorized it. And I suspect he has one of his men chosen to run for mayor. And honestly I think this is the best Jackson could hope for. Bennies a crook, but he can get things done.

Well....it's not being swept under the rug, due to Bennie. It's technically happening because Babychok broke the law.

And yes, things will likely continue to stay the same once it's all said and done. I don't think that there is anyone available to run for that election, that want to actually help the city.

 

[Anon1717806835]

No he cannot get things done. His district runs from the Tennessee line to the Louisiana line along the Mississippi River and includes Jackson. There are 3rd and 4th World Countries who are better off. And we alll know there is only ONE reason a democrat gets elected to that district. And it has nothing to do with accomplishments! I can assure you as long as democrats run that district, Jackson, Meridian, Greenville, Greenwood, Clarksdale, Natchez, and Vicksburg, there will never be the kind of progress that area needs!

Meridian says "don't drag us into this"....

 

[graddawg]

"The accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial." In today's jurisprudence that usually means about 2-3 years for high profile cases.

The right to a speedy trial is just that, a right to be exercised by the defendant. Most defendants freely seek continuances. If they want a speedy trial and a quicker jail sentence, they can have one.

 

[Mr. Cook]

Yep.



I kind of like John Horhn.

With that said, Jackson’s problems are Big so I wonder how Anyone would negotiate with Tate, the Board of Supervisors, the Feds, and JXN Water.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

No he cannot get things done. His district runs from the Tennessee line to the Louisiana line along the Mississippi River and includes Jackson. There are 3rd and 4th World Countries who are better off. And we alll know there is only ONE reason a democrat gets elected to that district. And it has nothing to do with accomplishments! I can assure you as long as democrats run that district, Jackson, Meridian, Greenville, Greenwood, Clarksdale, Natchez, and Vicksburg, there will never be the kind of progress that area needs!

Well not all the way to the Tennessee line. Close but not all the way.

 

[BIGDAWG44]

There should definitely be some progress on the river somewhere.

 

[thatsbaseball]

The retail merchants in Madison and Rankin counties should pay these clowns legal fees, they have destroyed retail in Jackson the these two counties have made a fortune off of it.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

No he cannot get things done. His district runs from the Tennessee line to the Louisiana line along the Mississippi River and includes Jackson. There are 3rd and 4th World Countries who are better off. And we alll know there is only ONE reason a democrat gets elected to that district. And it has nothing to do with accomplishments! I can assure you as long as democrats run that district, Jackson, Meridian, Greenville, Greenwood, Clarksdale, Natchez, and Vicksburg, there will never be the kind of progress that area needs!

You have to understand the context. When he wants to, he can pull some strings. He obviously doesn't want anything to get done in his district, as he wants to stay in power and be re-elected. This often happens in most Democrat areas once the money has left, because many times there's not much hope anyway, so why try.

To change it, money has to come back in - somebody must make a sacrifice. For instance, if someone wants to make an investment in Jackson to change things, they'll either need to get used to having Democrat leadership, or wait until someone is elected that they like. It's a rock and an immovable object - someone has to give. Either the investment is too big for Jackson to turn down, or Jackson must elect a mayor that is open to outside investment that doesn't grease his own pocket. And cares more about their city than keeping their people in power. That takes true leadership and integrity - not just slickster salesman qualities. To me, George Flaggs in Vicksburg is an example of this, as is the previous mayor of Birmingham, William Bell.

I just don't see a chance of this happening anytime soon. Most Mississippians have simply made the choice to avoid Jackson, and hey if anyone finds an adult worth voting for and residing in the city limit, let us all know.

 

[SteelCurtain74]

Charlie Horhn was Bennie Thompson's right hand man for many years. John Hornh, Charlie's brother, announced he was running for mayor about a month before charges were announced against Lumumba. Coincidences typically don't happen in politics.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

No he cannot get things done.

He meant get stuff done for himself and cronies, not his constituents.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

My guess is this is happening because Bennie Thompson authorized it. And I suspect he has one of his men chosen to run for mayor.

1000000000000000000000%

I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't cut someone in on (or at least get authorization) a deal?

 

[Wesson Bulldog]

No he cannot get things done. His district runs from the Tennessee line to the Louisiana line along the Mississippi River and includes Jackson. There are 3rd and 4th World Countries who are better off. And we alll know there is only ONE reason a democrat gets elected to that district. And it has nothing to do with accomplishments! I can assure you as long as democrats run that district, Jackson, Meridian, Greenville, Greenwood, Clarksdale, Natchez, and Vicksburg, there will never be the kind of progress that area needs!

Add Hazlehurst and Copiah County. We have been held hostage by that bum for years!

 

[Called3rdstrikedawg]

The retail merchants in Madison and Rankin counties should pay these clowns legal fees, they have destroyed retail in Jackson the these two counties have made a fortune off of it.

Nope. The criminals running the city of Jackson allowing the criminals to "run wild" in the city of Jackson are what has destroyed Retail and any other types of commerce in Jackson! Let's not re-write history.

 

[thatsbaseball]

Nope. The criminals running the city of Jackson allowing the criminals to "run wild" in the city of Jackson are what has destroyed Retail and any other types of commerce in Jackson! Let's not re-write history.

Well I didn't feel the need to spell it out for anyone but yeah.

 

[Called3rdstrikedawg]

You have to understand the context. When he wants to, he can pull some strings. He obviously doesn't want anything to get done in his district, as he wants to stay in power and be re-elected. This often happens in most Democrat areas once the money has left, because many times there's not much hope anyway, so why try.

To change it, money has to come back in - somebody must make a sacrifice. For instance, if someone wants to make an investment in Jackson to change things, they'll either need to get used to having Democrat leadership, or wait until someone is elected that they like. It's a rock and an immovable object - someone has to give. Either the investment is too big for Jackson to turn down, or Jackson must elect a mayor that is open to outside investment that doesn't grease his own pocket. And cares more about their city than keeping their people in power. That takes true leadership and integrity - not just slickster salesman qualities. To me, George Flaggs in Vicksburg is an example of this, as is the previous mayor of Birmingham, William Bell.

I just don't see a chance of this happening anytime soon. Most Mississippians have simply made the choice to avoid Jackson, and hey if anyone finds an adult worth voting for and residing in the city limit, let us all know.

But the status quo always hollers racism if the State tries to step in. Like the Airport. There is absolutely no reason for the State not to be operating the Airport. Infrastructure: Roads and Water. The State has offered to step in, but the city officials don't want the State to control the help. They want the funds so they can control who does the work and who gets the kickbacks.
There are 1000's of homes that should be bulldozed to the ground that would immediately improve the esthetics of those neighborhoods. So simple and it creates J O B S!!!

 

[OG Goat Holder]

But the status quo always hollers racism if the State tries to step in. Like the Airport. There is absolutely no reason for the State not to be operating the Airport. Infrastructure: Roads and Water. The State has offered to step in, but the city officials don't want the State to control the help. They want the funds so they can control who does the work and who gets the kickbacks.
There are 1000's of homes that should be bulldozed to the ground that would immediately improve the esthetics of those neighborhoods. So simple and it creates J O B S!!!

Man, no. Take the airport for instance. You can’t just take it away from Jackson. They own it. If the state wants it, they need to pay for it. THAT is the mistake the state, ie Republicans, continue to make.

The state has to make some concessions too.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

No he cannot get things done. His district runs from the Tennessee line to the Louisiana line along the Mississippi River and includes Jackson. There are 3rd and 4th World Countries who are better off. And we alll know there is only ONE reason a democrat gets elected to that district. And it has nothing to do with accomplishments! I can assure you as long as democrats run that district, Jackson, Meridian, Greenville, Greenwood, Clarksdale, Natchez, and Vicksburg, there will never be the kind of progress that area needs!

Honestly, I don’t know that anyone or anything could prevent the further demise of the area you describe. Maybe Vicksburg with tourism and the Corp had more potential than is being used right now.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Honestly, I don’t know that anyone or anything could prevent the further demise of the area you describe. Maybe Vicksburg with tourism and the Corp had more potential than is being used right now.

Vicksburg is doing well.

 

[thatsbaseball]

No he cannot get things done. His district runs from the Tennessee line to the Louisiana line along the Mississippi River and includes Jackson. There are 3rd and 4th World Countries who are better off. And we alll know there is only ONE reason a democrat gets elected to that district. And it has nothing to do with accomplishments! I can assure you as long as democrats run that district, Jackson, Meridian, Greenville, Greenwood, Clarksdale, Natchez, and Vicksburg, there will never be the kind of progress that area needs!

One of the things Bennie has gotten "done" is hundreds (if not thousands) of government housing units built in the delta. I thoroughly understand and agree with housing needy people but I've never agreed with housing folks that (theoretically anyway) can work in an area there is no hope of employment. To me that is just perpetuating poverty and dependency. Not sure what could have been done about it but I know keeping people dependent on the gov't ain't good.

 

[Called3rdstrikedawg]

Vicksburg is doing well.

Vicksburg is doing okay. There are still pockets of really bad situations. As for Meridian, the gang problem there is well acknowledged.

 

[RopeDawg]

Can someone familiar with the situation give me some cliff notes? Bribes on a Miami yacht is the last scene I pictured for Jackson MS mayor corruption

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Vicksburg is doing okay. There are still pockets of really bad situations. As for Meridian, the gang problem there is well acknowledged.

You’re not going to get rid of all the nonsense. But you can carve out an area that thrives, and both Vicksburg and Natchez have done that.

Unfortunately they don’t see the foot traffic to be a serious growth area.

 

[615dawg]

Can someone familiar with the situation give me some cliff notes? Bribes on a Miami yacht is the last scene I pictured for Jackson MS mayor corruption

It's been an open secret that the leadership of Jackson is corrupt. The Jackson Water Crisis exposed what was being done. The mayor of Jackson went on the national news and said it would take $2 billion to fix the Jackson water problem. The state did it for just over $1 million. The SOP for this kind of thing is to let things get so bad the feds have to bail you out, then take millions of the billions they give you to fix it.

After that fiasco, the FBI set up a sting operation with a fictitious Nashville development company wanting to develop a hotel in downtown Jackson. The first domino to fall was a City Councilwoman who took a $6000 shopping spree to Maison Weiss in Highland Village using an FBI issued credit card.

A couple months later, the Hinds County DA and Jackson mayor were indicted. One of the videos shows an FBI agent giving an envelope with $50,000 to the current Jackson mayor on a yacht in Miami. There was also $5k spent at a Miami strip club. All recorded. The best part of the entire indictment was when the DA introduced the hotel developers to the mayor, he said "They aint feds, I checked them out."

 

[horshack.sixpack]

One of the things Bennie has gotten "done" is hundreds (if not thousands) of government housing units built in the delta. I thoroughly understand and agree with housing needy people but I've never agreed with housing folks that (theoretically anyway) can work in an area there is no hope of employment. To me that is just perpetuating poverty and dependency. Not sure what could have been done about it but I know keeping people dependent on the gov't ain't good.

Interesting thought exercise around providing help where people are vs the idea of maybe helping them move somewhere with more jobs?

 

[aTotal360]

You get what you vote for.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Interesting thought exercise around providing help where people are vs the idea of maybe helping them move somewhere with more jobs?

That means moving them out of MS. That also means Bennie may not get elected again.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

Interesting thought exercise around providing help where people are vs the idea of maybe helping them move somewhere with more jobs?

For years I've said there needs to be a mass evacuation of people from the Delta. There are few good jobs and there will never ben good jobs. Verses 70 years ago, one person today using modern equipment does more than 50 people back then.

 

[oh yeah]

Vicksburg is doing well.

We could be doing better. We did just get all the land acquired to start building/expanding ms river port area.

 

[The Peeper]

Nope. The criminals running the city of Jackson allowing the criminals to "run wild" in the city of Jackson are what has destroyed Retail and any other types of commerce in Jackson! Let's not re-write history.

I agree, the clientele in Jackson destroyed retail. Fake designer lines of crap sold on street corners is the norm there now instead of retailers with decent lines

 

[dudehead]

For years I've said there needs to be a mass evacuation of people from the Delta. There are few good jobs and there will never ben good jobs. Verses 70 years ago, one person today using modern equipment does more than 50 people back then.

You and Sam give good advice: