OT: RIP, John Froines

[Tom McAndrew]

That name may not ring a bell with many of you. John was a chemist, but was also active in the anti-war movement in the late 60s. He's most famous as being one of the "Chicago Seven," who were charged with fomenting riots and promoting violence during the 1968 Democratic National Convention.

John passed away on July 13 of complications from Parkinson's disease. With his passing, Lee Weiner is the sole remaining member of the "Chicago Seven." (They also included Abbie Hoffman, Jerry Rubin, Tom Hayden, Rennie Davis and David Dellinger.)

For those that don't remember the charges and the outcomes of the trials:

- all 7 sere charged and acquitted of conspiracy
- Davis, Dellinger, Hayden, Hoffman and Rubin were charged, and convicted, of crossing state lines with intent to incite a riote
- Froines and Weiner were charged, and acquitted, of teaching demonstrators how to construct incendiary devices
- all 7 (and their attorneys) were charged with and convicted of contempt of court
- the convictions of the aforementioned 5 for crossing state lines were thrown out on appeal
- the convictions of the aforementioned 7 for contempt of court were thrown out on appeal

 

[LionJim]

That name may not ring a bell with many of you. John was a chemist, but was also active in the anti-war movement in the late 60s.. He's most famous as being one of the "Chicago Seven," who were charged wit fomenting riots and promoting violence during the 1968 Democratic National Convention.

John passed away on July 13 of complications from Parkinson's disease. With his passing, Lee Weiner is the sole remaining member of the "Chicago Seven." (They also included Abbie Hoffman, Jerry Rubin, Tom Hayden, Rennie Davis and David Dellinger.)

For those that don't remember the charges and the outcomes of the trials:

- all 7 sere charged and acquitted of conspiracy
- Davis, Dellinger, Hayden, Hoffman and Rubin were charged, and convicted, of crossing state lines with intent to incite a riote
- Froines and Weiner were charged, and acquitted, of teaching demonstrators how to construct incendiary devices
- all 7 (and their attorneys) were charged with and convicted of contempt of court
- the convictions of the aforementioned 5 for crossing state lines were thrown out on appeal
- the convictions of the aforementioned 7 for contempt of court were thrown out on appeal

Maybe I have an incomplete or faulty understanding of the situation, but I believe them to be the reason Nixon got elected. I despised Tom Hayden throughout his political career.

 

[psuro]

Maybe I have an incomplete or faulty understanding of the situation, but I believe them to be the reason Nixon got election

That, and naming Texas as National Champions in 1969 didn't hurt him.

 

[Tom_PSU]

That, and naming Texas as National Champions in 1969 didn't hurt him.

I remember that when asked about PSU he said something like “We’ll give them a trophy”. Now I can’t be certain but I believe that was when they began designing the Land Grant monstrosity as our reward .

 

[BobPSU92]

That, and naming Texas as National Champions in 1969 didn't hurt him.

Was it more naming texas national champs or not naming Penn State national champs?

 

[Tom McAndrew]

Maybe I have an incomplete or faulty understanding of the situation, but I believe them to be the reason Nixon got elected. I despised Tom Hayden throughout his political career.

I'd say that's an incomplete understanding. The outcome of elections, particularly national elections, rarely can be tied directly to a single event. Nixon did run on a law and order platform, which was the opposite of what took place in Chicago at the DNC. But there were far more factors that influenced the election.

As for Hayden, I know he had his detractors. I think that was largely based on his positions and who he was married to, but it's not as though I've examined it all that closely. I didn't care what he voted for or advocated for during his political career, as his only elected positions were in the California Assembly and the California Senate, and since I didn't live in CA, none of his positions or votes impacted me.

 

[psuro]

Was it more naming texas national champs or not naming Penn State national champs?

Yes. More electoral votes.

You know that's what really matters.

 

[LionJim]

I'd say that's an incomplete understanding. The outcome of elections, particularly national elections, rarely can be tied directly to a single event. Nixon did run on a law and order platform, which was the opposite of what took place in Chicago at the DNC. But there were far more factors that influenced the election.

As for Hayden, I know he had his detractors. I think that was largely based on his positions and who he was married to, but it's not as though I've examined it all that closely. I didn't care what he voted for or advocated for during his political career, as his only elected positions were in the California Assembly and the California Senate, and since I didn't live in CA, none of his positions or votes impacted me.

Okay, but Jane Fonda had zero to do with my antipathy to Hayden. I thought he was a flat-out idiot opportunist, thoughtlessly destructive.

 

[ApexLion]

That name may not ring a bell with many of you. John was a chemist, but was also active in the anti-war movement in the late 60s. He's most famous as being one of the "Chicago Seven," who were charged with fomenting riots and promoting violence during the 1968 Democratic National Convention.

John passed away on July 13 of complications from Parkinson's disease. With his passing, Lee Weiner is the sole remaining member of the "Chicago Seven." (They also included Abbie Hoffman, Jerry Rubin, Tom Hayden, Rennie Davis and David Dellinger.)

For those that don't remember the charges and the outcomes of the trials:

- all 7 sere charged and acquitted of conspiracy
- Davis, Dellinger, Hayden, Hoffman and Rubin were charged, and convicted, of crossing state lines with intent to incite a riote
- Froines and Weiner were charged, and acquitted, of teaching demonstrators how to construct incendiary devices
- all 7 (and their attorneys) were charged with and convicted of contempt of court
- the convictions of the aforementioned 5 for crossing state lines were thrown out on appeal
- the convictions of the aforementioned 7 for contempt of court were thrown out on appeal

Thanks @Tom McAndrew for noting. When our best and brightest speak we should listen.

 

[ApexLion]

I'd say that's an incomplete understanding. The outcome of elections, particularly national elections, rarely can be tied directly to a single event. Nixon did run on a law and order platform, which was the opposite of what took place in Chicago at the DNC. But there were far more factors that influenced the election.

As for Hayden, I know he had his detractors. I think that was largely based on his positions and who he was married to, but it's not as though I've examined it all that closely. I didn't care what he voted for or advocated for during his political career, as his only elected positions were in the California Assembly and the California Senate, and since I didn't live in CA, none of his positions or votes impacted me.

Au contraire mon frere. Tom Hayden had a big impact on our lives. He led voter drives, moved CA to legislate environmental policy, education reform, and improve workplace conditions. CA remains the forerunner in all of those legislative areas and one can correctly argue that to this day legislators around the country see CA as a test ground for new and innovative governmental action. Just the other day I read about pending CA legislation that would ban gas powered vehicles by 2035. Toward the end of his life he argued for that very thing. Mr. Hayden was an activist of the highest order and his influence is still being felt by all of us because he moved people with earnest intent unlike the bs we see today. As Nicholas Lehman said “Hayden moved America.”

 

[Metal Mike]

While I agree with Tom that a single event does not explain election results, the riots at the DNC in 1968 were a contributing factor in 1968. LBJ was the incumbent but his policies on Vietnam were unpopular especially with the Democratic base. So HHH was nominated. I saw him as a decent man who was running uphill against situation, he was in. He did not throw LBJ under the bus but had to separate himself from the LBJ administration that he was a part of. The image of the riots at the DNC became another obstacle. Even Mayor Daly Sr. spoke out against the riots. So, while this was not the one single factor that swayed the election it was a major contributor to HHH’s loss. It was also a stop on the road that led to the working class moving from the Dem to the GOP.

 

[Nitt1300]

Maybe I have an incomplete or faulty understanding of the situation, but I believe them to be the reason Nixon got elected. I despised Tom Hayden throughout his political career.

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