OT: SpaceX Starship and Super Heavy Booster Test

bolddogge

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Sadly, The largest rocket to ever lift off planet Earth ended its voyage with a "rapid unscheduled mechanical disassembly". I would love to have been there to see it. How many of you have gone to see a launch either at Cape Canavral or the Starbase in TX?
 
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Several years ago I was on a turkey hunt in the Melbourne area and looked up one evening and thought I saw aliens. Turned out that it was a SpaceX rocket separating from its boosters. It was right at dusk. A pretty spectacular sight.
 

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It did explode but I think the test was clearing the pad successfully. Anything after that was considered a bonus. It's still an impressive feat of engineering. I'm looking forward to my first Mars vacation.
 
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It did explode but I think the test was clearing the pad successfully. Anything after that was considered a bonus. It's still an impressive feat of engineering. I'm looking forward to my first Mars vacation.
Elon Musk basically said his biggest fear was if it exploded on the launch pad it could destroy the pad. He said if it cleared the tower, he would consider the test a success. Better put a hold on that Mars vacation though. That would be the worst vacation ever. I still think everyone (including Musk and NASA) is underestimating how hard it would be to land humans on Mars and return them to Earth safely by orders of magnitude.
 

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At my age I’ll never see a Mars flight with humans. But I bet it happens….just a matter of when.
 

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Elon Musk basically said his biggest fear was if it exploded on the launch pad it could destroy the pad. He said if it cleared the tower, he would consider the test a success. Better put a hold on that Mars vacation though. That would be the worst vacation ever. I still think everyone (including Musk and NASA) is underestimating how hard it would be to land humans on Mars and return them to Earth safely by orders of magnitude.
Yep. Today was a big success. I mean he carried a condo-sized ship into space.
 
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and why, not sure why anybody would want to go there
If we were meant to stay in one place we'd have roots instead of feet. If we were meant to stay close to home, we'd have never ridden a horse or invented the wheel. If we were never meant to cross the oceans, our boats would have never floated. We have explored every inch of this big blue marble and now it's time to check out the red one.

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I would love to see a manned mission to Mars, and I think that more investment in space exploration boosts science gains across the board. I follow this stuff pretty closely, and I don't think I've seen any real progress on the devastating effect that radiation has on astronauts. Until there's progress there, I don't see folks doing much interplanetary cruising. I hope I'm wrong on that.
 
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At my age I’ll never see a Mars flight with humans. But I bet it happens….just a matter of when.
You might be surprised. Getting back to the moon is a rehearsal. With 60's technology it only took 7 years from the time JFK said we are going to the moon. I think all the details of going to Mars is part of all the rehearsal. There is a local company in Jackson that has a LLP in SpaceX. They bought in for 31 million. I believe their ownership is worth around 71 million. I met some of the Space X guys at the GA game this last season. They were there as a guest of that company.
 

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Outer Space Nasa GIF by Overlook Horizon
 

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The rocket passed the critical point of max atmospheric pressure but failed when the first stage did not separate. Max velocity was around 1900 ft/s.
 

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I would love to see a manned mission to Mars, and I think that more investment in space exploration boosts science gains across the board. I follow this stuff pretty closely, and I don't think I've seen any real progress on the devastating effect that radiation has on astronauts. Until there's progress there, I don't see folks doing much interplanetary cruising. I hope I'm wrong on that.
And if they survive the radiation, there's the problem of slowing down a spacecraft that big and heavy and landing it on Mars in a way that the landing doesn't kill the crew. As of now, they have no idea how to solve that problem.
 

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My uncle is one of them. If he has said it once, he's said it a million times: the government bureaucrats f*ed up NASA.
The guys in the 60’s took more risk. Maybe not a lot of risk but more. We were more willing to strap a brave soul to a repurposed missile with a tin can up top in those days. Trying to get a calc package through nasa nowadays is tough.
 

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The guys in the 60’s took more risk. Maybe not a lot of risk but more. We were more willing to strap a brave soul to a repurposed missile with a tin can up top in those days. Trying to get a calc package through nasa nowadays is tough.
A lady from my town (Barbara Morgan) taught at our elementary school and was the other teacher selected with Christa McAuliffe in 1985 for the initial Teachers In Space Program (TISP.) She was the backup for Christa and was supposed to go on her own mission in 86'. After Challenger, the TISP was scrapped.

Barbara Morgan spent the next decade applying to become an actual astronaut and was actually selected as a mission specialist in 1998 and became the first "teacher" in space in 2007. She spent 12 days on the ISS and cover 5.3 million miles in that time.

She's in her 70's now and absolutely dominates the elliptical at the gym when I see her every once in a while. They named the new school after her and all her gear is on display. She goes to talk to the kids about it every so often and hearing all the stories is cool. But the one thing that jumps out to me is the persistence she had to have to make it happen after 22 years of waiting... That's like Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, Tom Brady level determination.
 

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Elon Musk basically said his biggest fear was if it exploded on the launch pad it could destroy the pad. He said if it cleared the tower, he would consider the test a success. Better put a hold on that Mars vacation though. That would be the worst vacation ever. I still think everyone (including Musk and NASA) is underestimating how hard it would be to land humans on Mars and return them to Earth safely by orders of magnitude.
I disagree. It really isn't that difficult, but having enough fuel is. The rocket equation cannot be cheated.
 

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I disagree. It really isn't that difficult, but having enough fuel is. The rocket equation cannot be cheated.
that’s the easy part. Keeping them alive & healthy in a confined high radiation environment for 2 years and finding a way to slow the spacecraft down & land gently enough to not kill them is the problem.
 

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The SpaceX vehicle had 33 engines. That's kind of pushing the limits of reliability. Heard on one news report that 6 of them never lit. It'll be interesting to see how future attempts work out. Elon will probably pull it off.

The Russians built a vehicle, for their moon program, that also had 33 engines. It blew up on the pad, killing several people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N1_(rocket)
 
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uptowndawg

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that’s the easy part. Keeping them alive & healthy in a confined high radiation environment for 2 years and finding a way to slow the spacecraft down & land gently enough to not kill them is the problem.
There’s a pretty good podcast that’s been discussing this with the folks at Johnson who have been working on the mars landing systems. The podcast is called “Houston we have a podcast”. They release an episode about once a week and the mars stuff took up most of March. I encourage all that may be interested in this thread to listen to those episodes.

Also, and maybe not in direct reply to patdog, we’re not going from earth to mars, we’re going from the moon to mars.
 
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