OT - The Hits for Jxn Keep On Coming

[greenbean.sixpack]

Breaking down the latest Census projections that show Jackson as the fastest shrinking city in the U.S.

The most recent U.S. Census projection shows Jackson taking the top spot of the fastest shrinking city in the country, losing 2.5 percent of its population from July of 2021 to 2022. We’re breaking down how that stacks up with the other information released in the last couple of years.

www.wlbt.com

When you think Jxn has hit bottom, they start digging.

I've lived in central MS since 1995 and worked downtown the entire time, what DT has descended into (even pre covid) is shocking. They let most professional firms leave the city (many relocated just a few miles north to Hanging Colony in Ridgeland) and many medical facilities have been built in Flowood and Madison. No longer do you need to go to Jxn for orthopedic surgery, to see a specialist, or have a colonoscopy.

The positives going for the city are the water system "take over" and Capitol Police, but city leaders are fighting both these.

There are no leaders with any type of realistic vision for the city.

 

[catvet]

It's a lost cause and it's mainly self inflicted. Between Harvey Johnson, Frank Melton and the flying Lumbaba family circus, they have totally ruined the city. Now they are wanting to close the zoo to save 2 million dollars. It should have already been relocated to Madison/Gluckstadt area. Instead they fought over where it should be. I could even have been fine with relocation to LeFluers Bluff. Not to be, so they left it in the Capitol street area where school kids were acosted by the homeless in the local park and zoo animals were killed by feral dogs. There really is nothing more to say

 

[Rupert Jenkins]

What possible "vision" could they have ? No reliable tax base with crumbling infrastructure and property values falling thru the floor. Crime is ridiculous and they have no plans to take the necessary steps to fix that. It's in a death spiral

 

[She Mate Me]

It's a lost cause and it's mainly self inflicted. Between Harvey Johnson, Frank Melton and the flying Lumbaba family circus, they have totally ruined the city. Now they are wanting to close the zoo to save 2 million dollars. It should have already been relocated to Madison/Gluckstadt area. Instead they fought over where it should be. I could even have been fine with relocation to LeFluers Bluff. Not to be, so they left it in the Capitol street area where school kids were acosted by the homeless in the local park and zoo animals were killed by feral dogs. There really is nothing more to say

Close the 17ing zoo and sell the animals to a responsible entity.

We don't need a zoo.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

Close the 17ing zoo and sell the animals to a responsible entity.

We don't need a zoo.

they'll fund it and pay a political crony some type of consulting fee.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

What hit? This is nothing new, you are just an over the top Jackson doomsayer. These people aren’t leaving the metro area at least. The metro area is actually growing.

Jackson Proper’s issues have been well documented here.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

What hit? This is nothing new, you are just an over the top Jackson doomsayer. These people aren’t leaving the metro area at least. The metro area is actually growing.

This is almost literally moving the goal post.

 

[Called3rdstrikedawg]

Because Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, wants to talk about the 20,000 lb. Elephant in the city. No Zoo pun intended!

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Because Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, wants to talk about the 20,000 lb. Elephant in the city. No Zoo pun intended!

Agreed. And until that happens, no reason to keep re-analyzing Jackson’s issues.

The good news is, the CCID will be fine.

 

[She Mate Me]

Agreed. And until that happens, no reason to keep re-analyzing Jackson’s issues.

The good news is, the CCID will be fine.

Which one are you...

Capitol Complex Improvement District | Mississippi Department of Finance and Administration

www.dfa.ms.gov

 

[Faustdog]

Breaking down the latest Census projections that show Jackson as the fastest shrinking city in the U.S.

The most recent U.S. Census projection shows Jackson taking the top spot of the fastest shrinking city in the country, losing 2.5 percent of its population from July of 2021 to 2022. We’re breaking down how that stacks up with the other information released in the last couple of years.

www.wlbt.com

When you think Jxn has hit bottom, they start digging.

I've lived in central MS since 1995 and worked downtown the entire time, what DT has descended into (even pre covid) is shocking. They let most professional firms leave the city (many relocated just a few miles north to Hanging Colony in Ridgeland) and many medical facilities have been built in Flowood and Madison. No longer do you need to go to Jxn for orthopedic surgery, to see a specialist, or have a colonoscopy.

The positives going for the city are the water system "take over" and Capitol Police, but city leaders are fighting both these.

There are no leaders with any type of realistic vision for the city.

I know it's extremely unpopular here to push back on the over the top negative Jackson talk, but I'll bite anyway.

Crime is down. Murder is at its lowest level since 2019, and there is a decent chance the number for this year will be half of what it was two years ago.

The CCID has been a great success. You have the one murder where the redneck from Florence came over and killed a black man near the fairgrounds, and you have two others on the very edges of the district. There has not been a murder in Belhaven, Fondren, or all of Northeast Jackson east of I-55.

We had a great night at the new-ish Town Center development in Belhaven Saturday night. Ate at the new Italian restaurant Pulito, which is excellent. Across from it is Fertile Ground Brewery (which was also packed), Mayday Ice Cream, a District Donuts, Good Bar, a green space for the kids to play, and Elvies, which the New York Times called one of the 50 best restaurants in the country last year.

I'm in my office downtown right now, as I am most mornings. All is well. Will probably walk to one of the local restaurants for lunch, with absolutely no fear for my wellbeing.

 

[She Mate Me]

I know it's extremely unpopular here to push back on the over the top negative Jackson talk, but I'll bite anyway.

Crime is down. Murder is at its lowest level since 2019, and there is a decent chance the number for this year will be half of what it was two years ago.

The CCID has been a great success. You have the one murder where the redneck from Florence came over and killed a black man near the fairgrounds, and you have two others on the very edges of the district. There has not been a murder in Belhaven, Fondren, or all of Northeast Jackson east of I-55.

We had a great night at the new-ish Town Center development in Belhaven Saturday night. Ate at the new Italian restaurant Pulito, which is excellent. Across from it is Fertile Ground Brewery (which was also packed), Mayday Ice Cream, a District Donuts, Good Bar, a green space for the kids to play, and Elvies, which the New York Times called one of the 50 best restaurants in the country last year.

I'm in my office downtown right now, as I am most mornings. All is well. Will probably walk to one of the local restaurants for lunch, with absolutely no fear for my wellbeing.

I'm glad to hear it. I think most of us who live in or near the metro are starving for good news about Jackson, not rooting for it to fail.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

The CCID has been a great success. You have the one murder where the redneck from Florence came over and killed a black man near the fairgrounds, and you have two others on the very edges of the district. There has not been a murder in Belhaven, Fondren, or all of Northeast Jackson east of I-55.

We had a great night at the new-ish Town Center development in Belhaven Saturday night. Ate at the new Italian restaurant Pulito, which is excellent. Across from it is Fertile Ground Brewery (which was also packed), Mayday Ice Cream, a District Donuts, Good Bar, a green space for the kids to play, and Elvies, which the New York Times called one of the 50 best restaurants in the country last year.

No question here. The only thing I will add is that most of the good things in Jackson are due to state involvement or involvement from within (like Belhaven). If we could just get halfass competence (not excellence) in the mayor's office, there's no telling what the potential could be. Right now, we just have to settle for the CCID being the shining light.

Some practical things I see:

- Don't be a radical adversarial idiot (seems obvious, right?);
- Get rid of the Vet, give JSU their stadium, expand hospital;
- Dissolve the zoo, find a way to safely sell/relocate the animals elsewhere, the city needs the money;
- Sell 5/7s (or whatever it is) of JAN to the new airport authority, again, the city needs the money;
- Actually support One Lake;
- Start planning for an arena - somewhere.

 

[ronpolk]

I know it's extremely unpopular here to push back on the over the top negative Jackson talk, but I'll bite anyway.

Crime is down. Murder is at its lowest level since 2019, and there is a decent chance the number for this year will be half of what it was two years ago.

The CCID has been a great success. You have the one murder where the redneck from Florence came over and killed a black man near the fairgrounds, and you have two others on the very edges of the district. There has not been a murder in Belhaven, Fondren, or all of Northeast Jackson east of I-55.

We had a great night at the new-ish Town Center development in Belhaven Saturday night. Ate at the new Italian restaurant Pulito, which is excellent. Across from it is Fertile Ground Brewery (which was also packed), Mayday Ice Cream, a District Donuts, Good Bar, a green space for the kids to play, and Elvies, which the New York Times called one of the 50 best restaurants in the country last year.

I'm in my office downtown right now, as I am most mornings. All is well. Will probably walk to one of the local restaurants for lunch, with absolutely no fear for my wellbeing.

I work downtown too and agree that crime wise it’s usually pretty quiet down here, at least during the week. But it’s definitely desolate down here compared to even 10 years ago. What is it down to 3 or 4 restaurants to choose from?

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

I know it's extremely unpopular here to push back on the over the top negative Jackson talk, but I'll bite anyway.

Crime is down. Murder is at its lowest level since 2019, and there is a decent chance the number for this year will be half of what it was two years ago.

The CCID has been a great success. You have the one murder where the redneck from Florence came over and killed a black man near the fairgrounds, and you have two others on the very edges of the district. There has not been a murder in Belhaven, Fondren, or all of Northeast Jackson east of I-55.

We had a great night at the new-ish Town Center development in Belhaven Saturday night. Ate at the new Italian restaurant Pulito, which is excellent. Across from it is Fertile Ground Brewery (which was also packed), Mayday Ice Cream, a District Donuts, Good Bar, a green space for the kids to play, and Elvies, which the New York Times called one of the 50 best restaurants in the country last year.

I'm in my office downtown right now, as I am most mornings. All is well. Will probably walk to one of the local restaurants for lunch, with absolutely no fear for my wellbeing.

Just curious, what restaurant you walking to? There's not many left, you should have seen it in the mid 90s, street festivals, restaurants opening and closing all over the place, there was even an ice skating rink one winter. DT has never been unsafe during work hours, deserted yes, unsafe no. If you're a DA and leave something valuable in view in your vehicle, you invite a smash and grab, but that is anywhere.

A semi competent, slightly less corrupt mayor would do wonders. I have serious doubts we'll ever get that person. A mayor like Vicksburg's George Flaggs (I realize many folks don't like him) understands his city needs to draw higher income folks into the city to spend money. Leaders in Jxn seem to want to drive the higher income folks away. Frank Melton was on the right track with the "Broken Window Theory" but he had his own demons and was too much a "bull in a china shop."

I haven't lived in Jxn for over 25 years, but I still long to it be successful. A successful Capitol is good for the State and metro.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

I know it's extremely unpopular here to push back on the over the top negative Jackson talk, but I'll bite anyway.

Crime is down. Murder is at its lowest level since 2019, and there is a decent chance the number for this year will be half of what it was two years ago.

The CCID has been a great success. You have the one murder where the redneck from Florence came over and killed a black man near the fairgrounds, and you have two others on the very edges of the district. There has not been a murder in Belhaven, Fondren, or all of Northeast Jackson east of I-55.

We had a great night at the new-ish Town Center development in Belhaven Saturday night. Ate at the new Italian restaurant Pulito, which is excellent. Across from it is Fertile Ground Brewery (which was also packed), Mayday Ice Cream, a District Donuts, Good Bar, a green space for the kids to play, and Elvies, which the New York Times called one of the 50 best restaurants in the country last year.

I'm in my office downtown right now, as I am most mornings. All is well. Will probably walk to one of the local restaurants for lunch, with absolutely no fear for my wellbeing.

I walk around downtown during the day as well with no reason to be afraid. It sucks that there aren't more choices in restaurants, but that is likely because they only/mostly get a lunch crowd. People aren't going downtown at night. Unfortunately, Jackson has lost a lot of ground from 10 years ago when it felt like downtown was really rebounding and had potential. I expect a continued downturn in CRE and I think that will exacerbate the current Jackson issues. I wish it were not so, but if we can't get better leadership in the city, it doesn't have a lot of hope.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

A mayor like Vicksburg's George Flaggs (I realize many folks don't like him)

Who doesn't like George Flaggs?

I haven't lived in Jxn for over 25 years, but I still long to it be successful. A successful Capitol is good for the State and metro.

I call BS on this, from your posting trends, let's just say.

 

[Darryl Steight]

I work downtown too and agree that crime wise it’s usually pretty quiet down here, at least during the week. But it’s definitely desolate down here compared to even 10 years ago. What is it down to 3 or 4 restaurants to choose from?

Iron Horse is awesome. Hal & Mal's is under new ownership by a young active couple and seems to be doing well. Martin's has upped its game over the last few years and has really good food. Estelle is upscale and fantastic. Steve's Deli is under new ownership and has great food. There's a new Salad Bar on Pearl Street. Basil's and Keifer's across from the Gov's Mansion on Congress. The Capital Club has a new chef and a great view of the city if you are a member. Is the Jamaican place still open on Capitol Street? I always liked it. The Elite closed (which hurt) but I think The Mayflower is still open. Then there's Chick-fil-A and maybe a couple others near Regions Plaza. I know it's not New Orleans, but there are still some good daily options.

 

[WrapItDog]

Some practical things I see:

- Dissolve the zoo, find a way to safely sell/relocate the animals elsewhere, the city needs the money;

What's a good used monkey selling for these days?

 

[horshack.sixpack]

What's a good used monkey selling for these days?

Dibs if there’s a second monkey.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

Iron Horse is awesome. Hal & Mal's is under new ownership by a young active couple and seems to be doing well. Martin's has upped its game over the last few years and has really good food. Estelle is upscale and fantastic. Steve's Deli is under new ownership and has great food. There's a new Salad Bar on Pearl Street. Basil's and Keifer's across from the Gov's Mansion on Congress. The Capital Club has a new chef and a great view of the city if you are a member. Is the Jamaican place still open on Capitol Street? I always liked it. The Elite closed (which hurt) but I think The Mayflower is still open. Then there's Chick-fil-A and maybe a couple others near Regions Plaza. I know it's not New Orleans, but there are still some good daily options.

Don't know if you had the please of going to the University Club, but it was great. There's also (was) a cafeteria on the upper floor of the Trustmark building that is/was good.

Many of the ones you mentioned are really walkable for many workers, espcially in this heat. Back in the day one could easily walk to nearly a dozen lunch places.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

I call BS on this, from your posting trends, let's just say.

No idea what kind of beef you have and it's a little creepy that you remember my post history (or took the trouble to look it up), but I want Jxn to be successful for several reasons, including the more successful Jxn is, the less reason for criminals to cross the Pearl River.

 

[dorndawg]

What's a good used monkey selling for these days?

 

[Faustdog]

Don't know if you had the please of going to the University Club, but it was great. There's also (was) a cafeteria on the upper floor of the Trustmark building that is/was good.

Many of the ones you mentioned are really walkable for many workers, espcially in this heat. Back in the day one could easily walk to nearly a dozen lunch places.

I walk to every one of those except for Iron Horse. I probably walk to Keifer's, Basil's, and Steve's the most. People have been talking a lot about Hal & Mal's lately but I haven't been in a while. Fridays the food trucks come, so that's nice. Plenty of options.

 

[She Mate Me]

There used to be a cafeteria in the Plaza building as well. No idea if it's still open or even how many floors are still occupied there.

 

[drexeldog23]

What's a good used monkey selling for these days?

exactly what i was thinking... surely Capital City Pawn could use some lions and tigers and giraffes ... have to make sure to pawn them at CCP though, that way all proceeds stay in the capital city

 

[peewee.sixpack]

Who doesn't like George Flaggs?

The question should be who is supporting Flaggs in Vicksburg. Not many, crime is skyrocketing and his personal vendetta against on of the most successful restaurateurs has a ton of folks pissed off.

 

[SteelCurtain74]

What's a good used monkey selling for these days?

Well, whatever one was selling for just went down after this weekend.

Monkey attacks keeper at Jackson Zoo; city investigating

City leaders arguing whether zoo should remain open.

www.wlbt.com

 

[OG Goat Holder]

The question should be who is supporting Flaggs in Vicksburg. Not many, crime is skyrocketing and his personal vendetta against on of the most successful restaurateurs has a ton of folks pissed off.

He's been there a while, maybe it's time to move on. But Vicksburg seems to have done decently under his watch. I went over there recently and thought it was pretty awesome.

 

[thatsbaseball]

I know it's extremely unpopular here to push back on the over the top negative Jackson talk, but I'll bite anyway.

Crime is down. Murder is at its lowest level since 2019, and there is a decent chance the number for this year will be half of what it was two years ago.

The CCID has been a great success. You have the one murder where the redneck from Florence came over and killed a black man near the fairgrounds, and you have two others on the very edges of the district. There has not been a murder in Belhaven, Fondren, or all of Northeast Jackson east of I-55.

We had a great night at the new-ish Town Center development in Belhaven Saturday night. Ate at the new Italian restaurant Pulito, which is excellent. Across from it is Fertile Ground Brewery (which was also packed), Mayday Ice Cream, a District Donuts, Good Bar, a green space for the kids to play, and Elvies, which the New York Times called one of the 50 best restaurants in the country last year.

I'm in my office downtown right now, as I am most mornings. All is well. Will probably walk to one of the local restaurants for lunch, with absolutely no fear for my wellbeing.

Good for you. Meanwhile hundreds if not thousands of (not as well-to-do as you are) Jacksonians have to drive to Madison and Rankin counties daily to buy their daily needs because A) most of their decent retail outlets have closed or B) they just feel safer shopping there.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

What's a good used monkey selling for these days?

On second thought, you can have the monkeys...

https://www.wlbt.com/2023/08/21/monkey-attacks-keeper-jackson-zoo-city-investigating/

 

[eckie1]

I know it's extremely unpopular here to push back on the over the top negative Jackson talk, but I'll bite anyway.

Crime is down. Murder is at its lowest level since 2019, and there is a decent chance the number for this year will be half of what it was two years ago.

The CCID has been a great success. You have the one murder where the redneck from Florence came over and killed a black man near the fairgrounds, and you have two others on the very edges of the district. There has not been a murder in Belhaven, Fondren, or all of Northeast Jackson east of I-55.

We had a great night at the new-ish Town Center development in Belhaven Saturday night. Ate at the new Italian restaurant Pulito, which is excellent. Across from it is Fertile Ground Brewery (which was also packed), Mayday Ice Cream, a District Donuts, Good Bar, a green space for the kids to play, and Elvies, which the New York Times called one of the 50 best restaurants in the country last year.

I'm in my office downtown right now, as I am most mornings. All is well. Will probably walk to one of the local restaurants for lunch, with absolutely no fear for my wellbeing.

This came in an email this morning. I expected to see some local representation, but there was none to be found.

Here are the 20 most dangerous cities in America

Here is the infographic from Visual Capitalist with the list below it:

notthebee.com

 

[Curby]

Sorry, there’s no way to sugarcoat it.

Jackson, MS has become what orange man called….a sh*thole.

 

[Called3rdstrikedawg]

I know it's extremely unpopular here to push back on the over the top negative Jackson talk, but I'll bite anyway.

Crime is down. Murder is at its lowest level since 2019, and there is a decent chance the number for this year will be half of what it was two years ago.

The CCID has been a great success. You have the one murder where the redneck from Florence came over and killed a black man near the fairgrounds, and you have two others on the very edges of the district. There has not been a murder in Belhaven, Fondren, or all of Northeast Jackson east of I-55.

We had a great night at the new-ish Town Center development in Belhaven Saturday night. Ate at the new Italian restaurant Pulito, which is excellent. Across from it is Fertile Ground Brewery (which was also packed), Mayday Ice Cream, a District Donuts, Good Bar, a green space for the kids to play, and Elvies, which the New York Times called one of the 50 best restaurants in the country last year.

I'm in my office downtown right now, as I am most mornings. All is well. Will probably walk to one of the local restaurants for lunch, with absolutely no fear for my wellbeing.

The center of the South Pole might be a nice place too. It’s the perimeter of the continent that gets a crappy!

 

[Faustdog]

Good for you. Meanwhile hundreds if not thousands of (not as well-to-do as you are) Jacksonians have to drive to Madison and Rankin counties daily to buy their daily needs because A) most of their decent retail outlets have closed or B) they just feel safer shopping there.

I’m going to have to get you to explain to my wife how well-to-do we are.

 

[The Cooterpoot]

Saw the Jackson mayor on tv last night. He bemoaned how under developed South Jackson is and what a great area it is.
In the words of Ken Stokes, "The mayor is on that dope!"

 

[johnson86-1]

The question should be who is supporting Flaggs in Vicksburg. Not many, crime is skyrocketing and his personal vendetta against on of the most successful restaurateurs has a ton of folks pissed off.

Heard somebody talking the other day about Flaggs wanting to shutdown all the downtown bars. I didn't realize Vicksburg had multiple downtown bars to begin with. This was somebody that had been supportive of him in the past. Didn't know what the deal was though.

 

[woozman]

Y’all do whatever the hell you want to - just leave us be or give us back to FL…***

 

[thatsbaseball]

I’m going to have to get you to explain to my wife how well-to-do we are.

LOL It's all relative. Everybody is well off compared to somebody.**