OT: the state of education in America

18IsTheMan

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4 college students unable to give the solution to the math problem: 15x4. They posit 23 then 24 before settling on 48.

My 2nd grader can work out the solution.

Video speaks for itself.

 
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adcoop

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One thing you have to keep in mind is how much tape did they have to edit to get this stupid answer. Also, was that the full tape or were the students messing with the guy. I know I am a person that really gets frustrated with strangers walking up on me. That is especially true if they come up to me with a camera. Two things would probably happen. They would get a stupid answer followed by the correct response and be told to get the "h***" out of my face. Alternatively, they would be immediately told who are you and get the h^^^ out of my face.
 

18IsTheMan

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One thing you have to keep in mind is how much tape did they have to edit to get this stupid answer. Also, was that the full tape or were the students messing with the guy. I know I am a person that really gets frustrated with strangers walking up on me. That is especially true if they come up to me with a camera. Two things would probably happen. They would get a stupid answer followed by the correct response and be told to get the "h***" out of my face. Alternatively, they would be immediately told who are you and get the h^^^ out of my face.
lol, I was waiting for somebody to come and try to explain this away. For one, I don’t care if these are the only four kids in the entire college who didn’t know the answer, it’s an excusable that a college student would not know the answer to that question. And, no, it is very evident that the students genuinely did not know the answer. No editing necessary. As soon as the question is ask, they laugh because they don’t know the answer. And beyond that, they posit three wrong responses.
 

adcoop

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lol, I was waiting for somebody to come and try to explain this away. For one, I don’t care if these are the only four kids in the entire college who didn’t know the answer, it’s an excusable that a college student would not know the answer to that question. And, no, it is very evident that the students genuinely did not know the answer. No editing necessary. As soon as the question is ask, they laugh because they don’t know the answer. And beyond that, they posit three wrong responses.
....and you believe everything you see on the internet. Is that sort of in the same category of the incorrect answers these individuals gave. How do you even know they are students. So, they are young kids walking around on what looks like a campus and you automatically assume. This what I call ''Gotcha Agenda Seeking" and they get the attention of people just like you.
 
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18IsTheMan

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....and you believe everything you see on the internet. Is that sort of in the same category of they incorrect answers these individuals gave. How do you even know they are students. So, they are young kids walking around on what looks like a campus and you automatically assume. This what I call ''Gotcha Agenda Seeking" and they get the attention of people just like you.

lol, I believe it because it’s believable. let me guess, you don’t believe we landed on the moon either
 

Psycock

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Teachers Unions, largely supported by Democrats, are the main cause for decline in education in this country. They don`t care about the kids. When they do care, they care more about them saying someones "pronouns" correctly than learning reading, math, accurate history, etc.
 

Diz

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YouTube clips are like movies/shows. How many right answers were not shown?
 

Tngamecock

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One thing you have to keep in mind is how much tape did they have to edit to get this stupid answer. Also, was that the full tape or were the students messing with the guy. I know I am a person that really gets frustrated with strangers walking up on me. That is especially true if they come up to me with a camera. Two things would probably happen. They would get a stupid answer followed by the correct response and be told to get the "h***" out of my face. Alternatively, they would be immediately told who are you and get the h^^^ out of my face.
They didn’t just give a stupid answer…..they are just stupid
 
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Teachers Unions, largely supported by Democrats, are the main cause for decline in education in this country. They don`t care about the kids. When they do care, they care more about them saying someones "pronouns" correctly than learning reading, math, accurate history, etc.
Teachers can only be exploited for so long before unionizing. Please give the politics a rest.
 

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I’ve seen that one plus the others where they…

Can’t tell you the time on an analog clock.

Can’t point our their location on a map of the United States.

Do not know what country is directly north of ours.

Don’t know what 15% of 100 is.

Don’t know who we fought in WWII.
 
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Debo77

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here's one I heard once....asked a girl who fought in the Civil War...she said Christopher Columbus vs John F Kennedy.....still dont know how she came up with that
 
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I believe that this is more of an indictment on those who would glean any sort of opinion of an entire institution based on an edited video clip with no context.

We've gone from "don't believe everything you read" to just believe anything that is "believable" (and supports your from-the-hip point of view).

Before yall start going down the road of wizards being real, I just want you to know that David Blaine is not really magic. David Copperfield might be - he made the entire Statue of Liberty disappear once. But don't worry, he put it back.
 

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Have to agree, much like wizards, there is ZERO evidence that our education system is failing and putting out subpar students.

/s
 

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One thing you have to keep in mind is how much tape did they have to edit to get this stupid answer. Also, was that the full tape or were the students messing with the guy. I know I am a person that really gets frustrated with strangers walking up on me. That is especially true if they come up to me with a camera. Two things would probably happen. They would get a stupid answer followed by the correct response and be told to get the "h***" out of my face. Alternatively, they would be immediately told who are you and get the h^^^ out of my face.
You must be a young one.
 
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Tngamecock

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....and you believe everything you see on the internet. Is that sort of in the same category of the incorrect answers these individuals gave. How do you even know they are students. So, they are young kids walking around on what looks like a campus and you automatically assume. This what I call ''Gotcha Agenda Seeking" and they get the attention of people just like you.
So there’s no stupid people in your world…just stupid questions. There is plenty of bogus stuff on the Internet. There’s plenty of truth stuff on the Internet. You have to be able to decipher. So you tell me if that looks edited? Better yet how many times do you have to see videos like this? But in reality, I have done the same thing, asking general simple questions to college students and younger graduates. I can assure you the world is this stupid in many instances. Don’t take my word for it go, ask them yourself. Your rationale is similar to explaining how the system or society was the cause of this person murdering someone.

Sometimes we should just accept when we hear stupidity and try to educate people
 

Tngamecock

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YouTube clips are like movies/shows. How many right answers were not shown?
Does it matter….these are 4 COLLEGE students together that can’t multiply 4 x 15. My 2nd grade grandson answered it when I asked him.
 

Tngamecock

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I believe that this is more of an indictment on those who would glean any sort of opinion of an entire institution based on an edited video clip with no context.

We've gone from "don't believe everything you read" to just believe anything that is "believable" (and supports your from-the-hip point of view).

Before yall start going down the road of wizards being real, I just want you to know that David Blaine is not really magic. David Copperfield might be - he made the entire Statue of Liberty disappear once. But don't worry, he put it back.
What part of 4×15 leaves ambiguity? Does that really sound like a question that was edited? So the fact that four people in college don’t know the answer to that question is scary enough. I don’t care if the videographer spent all day asking that question.
 

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Does it matter….these are 4 COLLEGE students together that can’t multiply 4 x 15. My 2nd grade grandson answered it when I asked him.
Kind of my point right? Let’s don’t blow by that…. If 90 out of 100 grandkids get it right but you only hear/see of 10 that get it wrong? Doesn’t really mean anything.
 

Gamecock Jacque

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Kind of my point right? Let’s don’t blow by that…. If 90 out of 100 grandkids get it right but you only hear/see of 10 that get it wrong? Doesn’t really mean anything.
It means that 10 got it wrong. And they shouldn't have.
 

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Teachers Unions, largely supported by Democrats, are the main cause for decline in education in this country. They don`t care about the kids. When they do care, they care more about them saying someones "pronouns" correctly than learning reading, math, accurate history, etc.
I recently sent an email to SCETV inquiring about an archived video. The response I received was signed by a woman whose signature block had "(My pronouns are She and Her)" following her name. SMH!
 

Guy in the Back

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Teachers Unions, largely supported by Democrats, are the main cause for decline in education in this country. They don`t care about the kids. When they do care, they care more about them saying someones "pronouns" correctly than learning reading, math, accurate history, etc.
I have been in education for a while now. In my time as an educator, it started downhill under George W Bush (and yes, I am a Republican). No Child Left Behind legislation seemed good on paper, but was both physically and financially impossible. When the federal accountability stuff kicked in, it began to unravel faster. Yes, I believe in accountability, but the way it is currently set up, the only ones being held accountable is the school. Students and parents are not. To add to the issue, parents have become less interested in being an active part of the process. Students would rather spend 29 hours a day on their phone ( I know what I typed). Bureaucracy has damaged schools significantly.

And, no, I do not believe what you see is uncommon. We have moved to a belief that it is no longer necessary to know how to actually calculate math; we all have a phone to do it for us. Cursive writing is also a thing of the past. But herein lies the problem. You ask teachers if we should be teaching these things, and the overwhelming majority would say yes. However, policies dictate that it isn’t important.

And to top all of that off, we continue to push things earlier. For example the things most of us over 40 were taught in Biology was pushed to the 7th grade back in the early 2000s. We are now teaching pre-algebra to 6th graders. Elementary school kids no longer have significant time to build social skills due to what they are expected to learn.

I say all of this to say that when people blame schools, it bothers me. It is true in some cases. We do have crappy schools, crappy administrators, and crappy teachers. However the majority of issues are caused by governmental policies. That and the breakdown of moral, supportive, and loving families. And FWIW…it isn’t going to get much better. Very few folks are interested in the grind and the grief when they could do other things with a degree.
 

Guy in the Back

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I believe that this is more of an indictment on those who would glean any sort of opinion of an entire institution based on an edited video clip with no context.

We've gone from "don't believe everything you read" to just believe anything that is "believable" (and supports your from-the-hip point of view).

Before yall start going down the road of wizards being real, I just want you to know that David Blaine is not really magic. David Copperfield might be - he made the entire Statue of Liberty disappear once. But don't worry, he put it back.
Seen Copperfield in person before. I must admit that what he does in front of and with a live audience is impressive.