OT: US Army Creates Single Vaccine Effective Against All COVID, SARS Variants

[EricStratton-RushChairman]

This thread will probably degrade into madness quickly but I think this is really newsworthy…

US Army Creates Single Vaccine Against All COVID & SARS Variants, Researchers Say

Within weeks, Walter Reed researchers expect to announce that human trials show success against Omicron—and even future strains.

www.defenseone.com

 

[Midnighter]

This thread will probably degrade into madness quickly but I think this is really newsworthy…

US Army Creates Single Vaccine Against All COVID & SARS Variants, Researchers Say

Within weeks, Walter Reed researchers expect to announce that human trials show success against Omicron—and even future strains.

www.defenseone.com

Great news. How reliable is this website? Never heard of it but seems to be a significant scoop - has anyone talked about the military developing a vaccine? I’m sure *some* people in DC would have given this has been in development for two years.

 

[BW Lion]

This thread will probably degrade into madness quickly but I think this is really newsworthy…

US Army Creates Single Vaccine Against All COVID & SARS Variants, Researchers Say

Within weeks, Walter Reed researchers expect to announce that human trials show success against Omicron—and even future strains.

www.defenseone.com

Great news. So when do you suggest I get jabbed with it?

 

[Nohow]

Great if true, but I’ll believe it when I see it.

 

[Midnighter]

Great if true, but I’ll believe it when I see it.

I’m curious as to why the military would work on a vaccine when the government is funding private companies to do the same. And every major pharma company in the world is working on it too. Still great news of true.

 

[Tom_PSU]

This thread will probably degrade into madness quickly but I think this is really newsworthy…

US Army Creates Single Vaccine Against All COVID & SARS Variants, Researchers Say

Within weeks, Walter Reed researchers expect to announce that human trials show success against Omicron—and even future strains.

www.defenseone.com

This is fantastic. However since it’s a military development the vaccine is probably injected using a needle the size of a railroad spike.

 

[Nohow]

I’m curious as to why the military would work on a vaccine when the government is funding private companies to do the same. And every major pharma company in the world is working on it too. Still great news of true.

Most of the basic research on the current vaccines (as with many meds) was done by NIH or universities, then handed over to pharma for further development.

 

[Midnighter]

This is fantastic. However since it’s a military development the vaccine is probably injected using a needle the size of a railroad spike.

When they handed us live grenades for training they would always remind us that they were ‘made by the lowest bidder.’

 

[StamfordBridgeVikingatLeftOffensiveTackle]

I’m curious as to why the military would work on a vaccine when the government is funding private companies to do the same. And every major pharma company in the world is working on it too. Still great news of true.

Here's an ABC news story from this past April on the development of it.

A next-gen Army COVID vaccine you've never heard of has just begun human trials

A scrappy team of scientists in an Army lab just outside the nation's capital, working to conceive a vaccine of the future, began human trials on Tuesday.

abcnews.go.com

 

[PSUFTG]

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[Midnighter]

Here's an ABC news story from this past April on the development of it.

A next-gen Army COVID vaccine you've never heard of has just begun human trials

A scrappy team of scientists in an Army lab just outside the nation's capital, working to conceive a vaccine of the future, began human trials on Tuesday.

abcnews.go.com

Great - thanks!

 

[Nohow]

Here's an ABC news story from this past April on the development of it.

A next-gen Army COVID vaccine you've never heard of has just begun human trials

A scrappy team of scientists in an Army lab just outside the nation's capital, working to conceive a vaccine of the future, began human trials on Tuesday.

abcnews.go.com

Well DoD did invent the internet.

 

[Midnighter]

Well they did invent the internet.

Yeah, I remember sitting in my dad’s office in Japan in around ‘92 and one of the younger Marines says he wants to show me something and I go to his computer and it’s the internet/email with a porn file/gif. I was in 11th grade.

 

[BobPSU92]

We’re dead.

 

[Zenophile]

This thread will probably degrade into madness quickly but I think this is really newsworthy…

US Army Creates Single Vaccine Against All COVID & SARS Variants, Researchers Say

Within weeks, Walter Reed researchers expect to announce that human trials show success against Omicron—and even future strains.

www.defenseone.com

This is fascinating. Thanks, ESrc.

 

[Grant Green]

Go Army!

 

[91Joe95]

So it should be available in a few years then?

 

[TheGlovStillRules]

One catch: You have to enlist in order to get the shot!

 

[Tgar]

I’m curious as to why the military would work on a vaccine when the government is funding private companies to do the same. And every major pharma company in the world is working on it too. Still great news of true.

Lots of research goes on at Walter Reed and It’s just one more available avenue to find a fix to the problem. I guess a case could be made for counter terrorism warfare etc. etc. effort as well. Who knows. In the end it’s really good news and spending of the tax payers money I approve of.

 

[Tgar]

This is fantastic. However since it’s a military development the vaccine is probably injected using a needle the size of a railroad spike.

I am not certain how the various branches administer multiple vaccines these days but back in the day in the Navy ( where you can love your fellow man ) they used to line us up on the flight deck before going overseas and we would walk down a line while Corpsman on each side either stuck you or blasted your arm with an air shot gun.

Fifteen feet of fun and you were inoculated against everything except the Naples syph.

 

[IrishHerb]

A bit suspicious. ".... and even future strains" ... how do they know what the future strains will be like?

 

[Georgia Peach]

This thread will probably degrade into madness quickly but I think this is really newsworthy…

US Army Creates Single Vaccine Against All COVID & SARS Variants, Researchers Say

Within weeks, Walter Reed researchers expect to announce that human trials show success against Omicron—and even future strains.

www.defenseone.com

Nope, not for me. This shot has a tracking chip, messes with my DNA, utiilzed fetal tissue in the development, has not been tested enough, addresses a virus that is similar to the common cold, and is part of an overreaching governmental mandate plan that seeks to control us all to the point where we will be marched over a cliff just prior to eligibility for social security benefits. You rubes go ahead with your plans to get the jab. I'm sitting this out.

 

[Edh85]

Nope, not for me. This shot has a tracking chip, messes with my DNA, utiilzed fetal tissue in the development, has not been tested enough, addresses a virus that is similar to the common cold, and is part of an overreaching governmental mandate plan that seeks to control us all to the point where we will be marched over a cliff just prior to eligibility for social security benefits. You rubes go ahead with your plans to get the jab. I'm sitting this out.

 

[[email protected]]

Georgia not serious…..

 

[Catch1lion]

One catch: You have to enlist in order to get the shot!

 

[kgilbert78]

A bit suspicious. ".... and even future strains" ... how do they know what the future strains will be like?

Not really--the newer vaccines work against pieces of the virus, which most/all will have in common. So broader immunity.

 

[kgilbert78]

I’m curious as to why the military would work on a vaccine when the government is funding private companies to do the same. And every major pharma company in the world is working on it too. Still great news of true.

You'd be surprised. A fair bit of my grad school research on boranes was funded by grants from the Army Research Office. Boranes are really energectic and they were seen as possible fuel sources or perhaps explosives (remember that a lot of fuel is used in essentially what are mini-explosions). They had a huge stock of various boranes (I think mostly diborane and pentaborane--it's been 40 years), so we didn't even have to buy it. We also used them in catalysis with transition metals--for things like Fischer-Tropsch.

 

[LaJollaCreek]

A bit suspicious. ".... and even future strains" ... how do they know what the future strains will be like?

Same way they try to project how the flu will mutate. Sometimes it's a miss though.

 

[91Joe95]

A bit suspicious. ".... and even future strains" ... how do they know what the future strains will be like?

If they're like omicron saline would work on them.

 

[91Joe95]

You'd be surprised. A fair bit of my grad school research on boranes was funded by grants from the Army Research Office. Boranes are really energectic and they were seen as possible fuel sources or perhaps explosives (remember that a lot of fuel is used in essentially what are mini-explosions). They had a huge stock of various boranes (I think mostly diborane and pentaborane--it's been 40 years), so we didn't even have to buy it. We also used them in catalysis with transition metals--for things like Fischer-Tropsch.

If I remember correctly they ended up using pentaborane in jet fuel to help make it smokeless. Longer chain boranes are often used in air bags because of the properties you mentioned.

 

[OuiRPSU]

No delete button

 

[OuiRPSU]

I am not certain how the various branches administer multiple vaccines these days but back in the day in the Navy ( where you can love your fellow man ) they used to line us up on the flight deck before going overseas and we would walk down a line while Corpsman on each side either stuck you or blasted your arm with an air shot gun.

Fifteen feet of fun and you were inoculated against everything except the Naples syph.

I’ve been to Naples

 

[PSU Mike]

Surely somebody’s gonna say Navy’s version is better …

 

[91Joe95]

Surely somebody’s gonna say Navy’s version is better …

No one ever says Space Force.

 

[kgilbert78]

If I remember correctly they ended up using pentaborane in jet fuel to help make it smokeless. Longer chain boranes are often used in air bags because of the properties you mentioned.

Possibly--I know we had quite a few canisters of pentaborane in the lab.

 

[Chris92]

EDIT: The ABC story says WRAIR took the lead on this one. But. USAMRIID does similar work.

U.S. Army MEDICAL RESEARCH INSTITUTE OF INFECTIOUS DISEASES(USAMRIID)

Since 1969, USAMRIID has served as the Department of Defense's (DoD) lead laboratory for medical biological defense research. While our core mission is to protect the warfighter from biological threats, we also investigate disease outbreaks and threats to public health. Research conducted at USAMRIID leads to medical solutions—therapeutics, vaccines, diagnostics, and information—that benefit both military personnel and civilians. USAMRIID is a subordinate laboratory of the U.S. Army Medical Research and Development Command.

They're based primarily out of Ft. Detrick in Frederick, MD.

USAMRIID

 

[TiogaLion]

I am not certain how the various branches administer multiple vaccines these days but back in the day in the Navy ( where you can love your fellow man ) they used to line us up on the flight deck before going overseas and we would walk down a line while Corpsman on each side either stuck you or blasted your arm with an air shot gun.

Fifteen feet of fun and you were inoculated against everything except the Naples syph.

How can you be sure?

 

[Tom McAndrew]

Same way they try to project how the flu will mutate. Sometimes it's a miss though.

actually, it's nothing at all like the flu.

There are two proteins found on the outer shell of influenza. These are H (hemagglutinin) and N (neuraminidase). There are 16 known types of H and 9 known types of N, which if you do the math leads to 144 different combinations of the proteins on the outer shell. What the scientists do each year is look at what combinations are appearing in the spring/early summer, and based on that come up with the best flu vaccine for the coming year. As there are 144 combinations, there are years where what they design ends up being a somewhat ineffective flu vaccine, as the H and N combination that becomes predominate may not be ones that were addressed by the flu vaccine. The scientists are not projecting mutations of influenza; just what H-N combination will be most prevalent.

There aren't a lot of mutations with the influenza virus. There are small mutations, called antigenic drift. These cause small changes in the surface proteins H and N. Occasionally these antigenic drifts cause small problems where antibodies created by a case of the flu, or from a flu vaccine, may not recognize a strain in the same season that is the result of the antigenic drift.

 

[LaJollaCreek]

actually, it's nothing at all like the flu.

There are two proteins found on the outer shell of influenza. These are H (hemagglutinin) and N (neuraminidase). There are 16 known types of H and 9 known types of N, which if you do the math leads to 144 different combinations of the proteins on the outer shell. What the scientists do each year is look at what combinations are appearing in the spring/early summer, and based on that come up with the best flu vaccine for the coming year. As there are 144 combinations, there are years where what they design ends up being a somewhat ineffective flu vaccine, as the H and N combination that becomes predominate may not be ones that were addressed by the flu vaccine. The scientists are not projecting mutations of influenza; just what H-N combination will be most prevalent.

There aren't a lot of mutations with the influenza virus. There are small mutations, called antigenic drift. These cause small changes in the surface proteins H and N. Occasionally these antigenic drifts cause small problems where antibodies created by a case of the flu, or from a flu vaccine, may not recognize a strain in the same season that is the result of the antigenic drift.

Wasn't comparing the two, just replying to future strains comment. Good info though.

 

[BobPSU92]

actually, it's nothing at all like the flu.

There are two proteins found on the outer shell of influenza. These are H (hemagglutinin) and N (neuraminidase). There are 16 known types of H and 9 known types of N, which if you do the math leads to 144 different combinations of the proteins on the outer shell. What the scientists do each year is look at what combinations are appearing in the spring/early summer, and based on that come up with the best flu vaccine for the coming year. As there are 144 combinations, there are years where what they design ends up being a somewhat ineffective flu vaccine, as the H and N combination that becomes predominate may not be ones that were addressed by the flu vaccine. The scientists are not projecting mutations of influenza; just what H-N combination will be most prevalent.

There aren't a lot of mutations with the influenza virus. There are small mutations, called antigenic drift. These cause small changes in the surface proteins H and N. Occasionally these antigenic drifts cause small problems where antibodies created by a case of the flu, or from a flu vaccine, may not recognize a strain in the same season that is the result of the antigenic drift.

Stop making stuff up.