OT: when your QB goes rogue

[18IsTheMan]

A lot being made of this on social media. On Clemson’s 4th a goal, a RPO was called and was supposed to be a handoff. Klubnik decided to keep it himself and was tackled well short. He acknowledged after the game that he knew it was supposed to be a handoff but he decided to keep it himself anyway. Dabo was visibly ticked that the QB didn’t run the play that was called.

Big deal or not? Just a young QB who made a dumb decision in the heat of the moment or does it signify a bigger problem?

I say just a young QB full of himself and made a bad decision.

 

[CockofEarle…]

A lot being made of this on social media. On Clemson’s 4th a goal, a RPO was called and was supposed to be a handoff. Klubnik decided to keep it himself and was tackled well short. He acknowledged after the game that he knew it was supposed to be a handoff but he decided to keep it himself anyway. Dabo was visibly ticked that the QB didn’t run the play that was called.

Big deal or not? Just a young QB who made a dumb decision in the heat of the moment or does it signify a bigger problem?

I say just a young QB full of himself and made a bad decision.

Probably has paid the price already :

 

[Prestonyte]

Same as our defense being told to ''pressure'' and we don't - deciding on our own not to run the defense called.
College kids - go figure.

 

[Deleted11512]

Selfish player. Didn’t sound like it was some kind of read play. Sounded like it was supposed to be a straight handoff. This wasn’t some random play in the middle of the first quarter. Game on the line and he gave a middle finger to Riley. I think it’s great.

 

[Cocky99]

Does the QB not have the power to make a judgement call? I never played football don’t understand any of it when it comes down to the details. But It looked like a good play designed to go either way. And that a QB sneak could have worked. It just didn’t.

 

[Deleted11512]

Does the QB not have the power to make a judgement call? I never played football don’t understand any of it when it comes down to the details. But It looked like a good play designed to go either way. And that a QB sneak could have worked. It just didn’t.

He would have said he changed the play, not that he was supposed to hand it off. Plus, I doubt he has a lot of leeway into what gets changed at the LOS.

The line was not prepared to block outside. That’s why it got blown up. The edge was waiting to see if anything popped out.

 

[The Reel Ess]

If you want him to run something else, don't leave a choice. Every FB player thinks they can do it.

 

[18IsTheMan]

It's apparent watching the play that it was a designed straight hand-off (and probably would have been a TD). No matter the play call, a QB could always decide to do something else. It doesn't mean he was given a choice.

 

[Deleted11512]

Saw the clip of Dabo after the game explaining it. Supposed to be a straight handoff. When asked why it wasn't, "I have no answers". He was not happy at all about it.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Saw the clip of Dabo after the game explaining it. Supposed to be a straight handoff. When asked why it wasn't, "I have no answers". He was not happy at all about it.

I wonder where Spurrier's visor would have ended up if a QB went rogue let that on a game-deciding play?

 

[Thunderstick]

I wonder where Spurrier's visor would have ended up if a QB went rogue let that on a game-deciding play?

Answer: If listening on the radio on the 55-yard line...

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

A lot being made on this play. If you go back and watch the play, the OLB from Miami takes the initial step towards the center of the line, then pivots back to the outside when he spys the QB going to his side. If the OLB doesn't make the play it is a relatively easy run into the end zone.
However, with all that said, even if he does make a TD, CLemson folks seem to be inferring that the requisite 2 point attempt will be a given (which it is not), and even if it is made, then the game is tied.

 

[FootballLVR]

I wouldn't want to be that QB this week after watching how ticked off the coach was in the press conference. They have a couple of other QBs that could play. Their season is already a disappointment. Why not try out some new players. I guess that could go for the Gamecocks too.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I wouldn't want to be that QB this week after watching how ticked off the coach was in the press conference. They have a couple of other QBs that could play. Their season is already a disappointment. Why not try out some new players. I guess that could go for the Gamecocks too.

Particularly when there is zero good explanation for it. It's not like he saw something and just couldn't make the play. If ran as called, it looks Clemson probably scores the TD easily (though as noted above, there's no guarantee about the 2 point conversion). However, that play was dead the instant he kept the ball. There was NOTHING to that side of the field and he doesn't even make a particularly good effort on the play. It looked very half-hearted.

 

[will110]

A lot being made of this on social media. On Clemson’s 4th a goal, a RPO was called and was supposed to be a handoff. Klubnik decided to keep it himself and was tackled well short. He acknowledged after the game that he knew it was supposed to be a handoff but he decided to keep it himself anyway. Dabo was visibly ticked that the QB didn’t run the play that was called.

Big deal or not? Just a young QB who made a dumb decision in the heat of the moment or does it signify a bigger problem?

I say just a young QB full of himself and made a bad decision.

If a RPO was called, doesn't that mean the QB can keep it if he thinks that's the right decision? If the coaches don't want the QB to keep it, then call a straight handoff. Super simple.

Sounds like Dabo trying to blame others rather than himself for the loss.

 

[Lurker123]

A lot being made on this play. If you go back and watch the play, the OLB from Miami takes the initial step towards the center of the line, then pivots back to the outside when he spys the QB going to his side. If the OLB doesn't make the play it is a relatively easy run into the end zone.
However, with all that said, even if he does make a TD, CLemson folks seem to be inferring that the requisite 2 point attempt will be a given (which it is not), and even if it is made, then the game is tied.

If I recall.correctly (it was late) the announcer said that keeping the ball was the correct call by the qb, the Miami D just made a great play.

 

[FootballLVR]

If a RPO was called, doesn't that mean the QB can keep it if he thinks that's the right decision? If the coaches don't want the QB to keep it, then call a straight handoff. Super simple.

Sounds like Dabo trying to blame others rather than himself for the loss.

I watched the press conference. Dabo said it was a straight hand off called play and not a RPO. Seems a lot of coaches are playing the blame game this week.

 

[Lurker123]

If a RPO was called, doesn't that mean the QB can keep it if he thinks that's the right decision? If the coaches don't want the QB to keep it, then call a straight handoff. Super simple.

Sounds like Dabo trying to blame others rather than himself for the loss.

This was my thought.

 

[18IsTheMan]

If I recall.correctly (it was late) the announcer said that keeping the ball was the correct call by the qb, the Miami D just made a great play.

I can't imagine anyone looking at that play and thinking it was the right call. There was nothing going in the direction Klubnik went. Nothing at all. On top of that, Klubnik's effort on the play was lousy.

 

[Lurker123]

I can't imagine anyone looking at that play and thinking it was the right call. There was nothing going in the direction Klubnik went. Nothing at all. On top of that, Klubnik's effort on the play was lousy.

I'll agree with the lousy effort, but the announcer was talking about the defender crashing down, hence the qb should pull the ball. The defender then switched and chased very quickly, bringing on the "great play" comment.

Having no one out there MIGHT have been on purpose. Get everyone going right, and then the qb can pull and run to a supposedly open field?

Meh, either way, it didn't work.

 

[Deleted11512]

I'll agree with the lousy effort, but the announcer was talking about the defender crashing down, hence the qb should pull the ball. The defender then switched and chased very quickly, bringing on the "great play" comment.

Having no one out there MIGHT have been on purpose. Get everyone going right, and then the qb can pull and run to a supposedly open field?

Meh, either way, it didn't work.

No. Dabo addressed this directly. There was no read option. There should not have been an option for Klub to pull the ball. But he did anyway. If you watch, you can see Shipley stop for a second to make sure he didn't drop the ball bc he was expecting it. He doesn't have that reaction on a read option. Miami had a LB flow to that edge while the edge on that end crashed. They were ready for it. But Klub did something nobody else was expecting him to do.

 

[Deleted11512]

Man, kid looks defeated. Gonna find out what kind of player he is now. Thought it was a bit strange when talked about how he was looking forward to getting away from football in the bye week, but you can understand how a kid needs a break. But maybe, just maybe, he's struggling with the game and isn't having much fun out there.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Man, kid looks defeated. Gonna find out what kind of player he is now. Thought it was a bit strange when talked about how he was looking forward to getting away from football in the bye week, but you can understand how a kid needs a break. But maybe, just maybe, he's struggling with the game and isn't having much fun out there.

Well, the head coach and the QB both state it was supposed to be a straight handoff.

 

[Lurker123]

Well, the head coach and the QB both state it was supposed to be a straight handoff.

Yeah. I'd have almost believed Dabo was covering his arse by saying that, but the qb backed him up.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Yeah. I'd have almost believed Dabo was covering his arse by saying that, but the qb backed him up.

Of course, what's a QB who knows the coach is already pissed at him gonna do? Tell the media the coach is wrong? lol

 

[Deleted11512]

If you look at the play, it sure looks like Shipley could have pretty easily gotten into the endzone.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

But when all is said and done....

 

[Ole Cockeye]

He made a selfish decision because he wanted to be the star. Been listening to the Heisman candidate hype.

 

[Prestonyte]

He made a selfish decision because he wanted to be the star. Been listening to the Heisman candidate hype.

Turned out to be the goat instead. Will never be the same when it comes to audible play calling.

 

[Deleted11512]

So wait…he’s a 5* Sophomore that is still struggling with the transition even though he’s played the position his whole life? I thought we were the only place where 5*s didn’t come in and dominate from day 1.

 

[18IsTheMan]

He made a selfish decision because he wanted to be the star. Been listening to the Heisman candidate hype.

I don't think selfishness was at the root of it. From his demeanor, you could tell he obviously just thought he saw something he could exploit. Learned a tough lesson. Run the play that's called.

 

[CriminalTrakerAlum80]

I texted my son and said they will run the same play twice. If you can stop my best running back from scoring, then we will tip our hats to you. When he pulled it and ran, I thought "I can't believe Riley just called that play when he had Shipley in the backfield!". I have never liked the "shotgun snap" inside the five yard line.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I texted my son and said they will run the same play twice. If you can stop my best running back from scoring, then we will tip our hats to you. When he pulled it and ran, I thought "I can't believe Riley just called that play when he had Shipley in the backfield!". I have never liked the "shotgun snap" inside the five yard line.

 

[Lurker123]

It is insane that they don't line up under center in that situation.

 

[18IsTheMan]

It is insane that they don't line up under center in that situation.

I'm not a football coach, but it's not complicated to me. Seems the simple call is Shipley every time. Funny thing is, it seems that actually WAS the call in the last one against Miami, but Klubnik cowboyed it.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

No. Dabo addressed this directly. There was no read option. There should not have been an option for Klub to pull the ball. But he did anyway. If you watch, you can see Shipley stop for a second to make sure he didn't drop the ball bc he was expecting it. He doesn't have that reaction on a read option. Miami had a LB flow to that edge while the edge on that end crashed. They were ready for it. But Klub did something nobody else was expecting him to do.

If you look at the image below you can see that the left side is left naked, while there are 2 receivers set on the right side.
Miami LB (Corey Flagg) circled spys inside and makes the play for a loss. If not for his awareness this run probably works.
Not that the QB should have changed the play, but one can see that he is thinking that side is open.

 

[Lurker123]

I'm not a football coach, but it's not complicated to me. Seems the simple call is Shipley every time. Funny thing is, it seems that actually WAS the call in the last one against Miami, but Klubnik cowboyed it.

With the push being legal, it seems a qb sneak from under center is almost impossible to stop in those situations. Every team should have that play in its playbook.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Interesting when compared to the FSU game. Had a 3rd and goal needing a yard for the game-winning TD. The call was for an RPO, with the first option to hand off to Shipley. Klubnik made the wrong read and opted to pass the ball which was incomplete.

The coaches learned from that and called a straight handoff to Shipley in this situation against Miami. Klubnik made the same mistake though.

Clemson Football: Cade Klubnik didn’t learn from his mistake, and that is a concern

Cade Klubnik repeated the same crucial mistake from the Florida State game when Clemson Football played Miami, and that is a legitimate concern.

rubbingtherock.com

 

[Deleted11512]

If you look at the image below you can see that the left side is left naked, while there are 2 receivers set on the right side.
Miami LB (Corey Flagg) circled spys inside and makes the play for a loss. If not for his awareness this run probably works.
Not that the QB should have changed the play, but one can see that he is thinking that side is open.
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It was a great defensive play call. Edge crashes, Lb slides over and hides behind him. Gives the false impression that the edge is open. They baited the young QB and he took it. They had the right side blocked really well. Looks like an easy TD for Ship there. He’s been frustrated all year. I’m sure the QB taking his chance to save the game from him doesn’t help that.

Been saying all year that Clem is broken. This is just another example of that.