Other Duals & Upsets weekend of 2/4

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PSU faces Ohio State on Friday, and Nebraska on Sunday.

Let's use this thread to discuss any duals you wanted or read about, any upsets you saw or read about, etc.
 

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Watched some of the Nebby-Michigan match, long enough to see Brucki go down in pain while Schultz was working on a single. Brucki got his knee torqued in a funny way and you could see it pop out, but after some trainer time he was back up and wrestling. He even picked Schultz up after that, but Schultz ultimately won a decision.

Seeing the injury, I was sure Brucki was done. He’s one tough dude. I hope he’s all right.

Schultz will be a handful for Dean. That’ll be a great match.

Amine-Venz was tight. Venz-Brooks will be another good one. Aaron seems to have one of those every match with yesterday being the exception. Looking forward to Aaron getting another tough win.

Also, the Nebraska heavyweight looked pretty good against Parris. Kept it close until the end, but really didn’t take any shots. Kerk should handle him, but that will be a good match, particularly for seeding.
 

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Watched some of the Nebby-Michigan match, long enough to see Brucki go down in pain while Schultz was working on a single. Brucki got his knee torqued in a funny way and you could see it pop out, but after some trainer time he was back up and wrestling. He even picked Schultz up after that, but Schultz ultimately won a decision.

Seeing the injury, I was sure Brucki was done. He’s one tough dude. I hope he’s all right.

Schultz will be a handful for Dean. That’ll be a great match.

Amine-Venz was tight. Venz-Brooks will be another good one. Aaron seems to have one of those every match with yesterday being the exception. Looking forward to Aaron getting another tough win.

Also, the Nebraska heavyweight looked pretty good against Parris. Kept it close until the end, but really didn’t take any shots. Kerk should handle him, but that will be a good match, particularly for seeding.
What this adds up to is a really tough dual on Sunday. Ridge Lovett will be the favorite against Beau, and Nick Lee’s old buddy Chad Red just knocked off Micic. Coming off Michigan, Iowa, and Ohio State, this dual has all the makings of a potential letdown. Good thing we’ve got the best coaching staff on the planet to help try to avoid it.

PS - based on Dean limping off the mat and not taking a day off yet this year, I suspect we’ll see Beard on Sunday. Advantage Nebraska (but certainly no guarantee)
 

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We ***** occasionally about schedules, but Nebby wrestles late Friday then has to fly to SC for an early Sunday war. Not fun.
 

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What this adds up to is a really tough dual on Sunday. Ridge Lovett will be the favorite against Beau, and Nick Lee’s old buddy Chad Red just knocked off Micic. Coming off Michigan, Iowa, and Ohio State, this dual has all the makings of a potential letdown. Good thing we’ve got the best coaching staff on the planet to help try to avoid it.

PS - based on Dean limping off the mat and not taking a day off yet this year, I suspect we’ll see Beard on Sunday. Advantage Nebraska (but certainly no guarantee)
I doubt we see beards. Primed for medical redshirt. Hasn't wrestled since hurting his knee in the match versus Elam.
 

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I doubt we see beards. Primed for medical redshirt. Hasn't wrestled since hurting his knee in the match versus Elam.
I don’t know the medical redshirt rules, but why doesn’t any and every non-starter who wants to retain eligibility just twist their knee? Not twisting your knee costs you a year of eligibility. Makes no sense.
 

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I don’t know the medical redshirt rules, but why doesn’t any and every non-starter who wants to retain eligibility just twist their knee? Not twisting your knee costs you a year of eligibility. Makes no sense.
It would give him an extra year of eligibility. If you are not starting and assume you will be starting next year at psu or some where else why wouldn't you want that year? For example cassar and shak. Though according to mineo it looks like beards is going tomorrow.
 

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It would give him an extra year of eligibility. If you are not starting and assume you will be starting next year at psu or some where else why wouldn't you want that year? For example cassar and shak. Though according to mineo it looks like beards is going tomorrow.
Yes, I get that. But, according to your logic, all anyone has to say is they twisted their knee, and they’ll get a medical redshirt. The rules to qualify for a medical redshirt have to be more strict than that or everyone who wants to retain eligibility would say they twisted their knee.
 

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Yes, I get that. But, according to your logic, all anyone has to say is they twisted their knee, and they’ll get a medical redshirt. The rules to qualify for a medical redshirt have to be more strict than that or everyone who wants to retain eligibility would say they twisted their knee.
I am sure it involves an orthopedic evaluation, but working in the medical field, you can find a doctor for anything you need.
 

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Glory 11 Arujau 9 - One of the best matches I've seen this year. Don't think much was decided between these two. They're pretty even. They were pretty even on their feet, which I thought would've been Vito's advantage.
 

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I am sure it involves an orthopedic evaluation, but working in the medical field, you can find a doctor for anything you need.
WV Lion, I’m not trying to be argumentative, but it just seems against the spirit of the rule if Beard were to be granted a medical redshirt based on MFFing out of a tourney due to a sprained knee. Now let’s say he tore something and Cael said he was done for the year and he couldn’t practice. Would a medical redshirt be warranted? I don’t know the rule that well, but with nearly half a season under his belt, I don’t think it’s a certainty he’d be granted one.

If Drake Ayala is done for the year (truly out, tore something), would he be granted a medical redshirt (if he sought one)? It always seems like the decisions are subjective, but my guess is he would.
 

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Does it really make sense for Beard to take a medical redshirt? He is a junior. Does he really want stay at school for four more years?


WV Lion, I’m not trying to be argumentative, but it just seems against the spirit of the rule if Beard were to be granted a medical redshirt based on MFFing out of a tourney due to a sprained knee. Now let’s say he tore something and Cael said he was done for the year and he couldn’t practice. Would a medical redshirt be warranted? I don’t know the rule that well, but with nearly half a season under his belt, I don’t think it’s a certainty he’d be granted one.

If Drake Ayala is done for the year (truly out, tore something), would he be granted a medical redshirt (if he sought one)? It always seems like the decisions are subjective, but my guess is he would.
 
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WV Lion, I’m not trying to be argumentative, but it just seems against the spirit of the rule if Beard were to be granted a medical redshirt based on MFFing out of a tourney due to a sprained knee. Now let’s say he tore something and Cael said he was done for the year and he couldn’t practice. Would a medical redshirt be warranted? I don’t know the rule that well, but with nearly half a season under his belt, I don’t think it’s a certainty he’d be granted one.

If Drake Ayala is done for the year (truly out, tore something), would he be granted a medical redshirt (if he sought one)? It always seems like the decisions are subjective, but my guess is he would.
Spencer lee had doctors medically clear him to wrestle, now he is not wrestling. There really are no rules in the NCAA now, it is a free for all.
 

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Spencer lee had doctors medically clear him to wrestle, now he is not wrestling. There really are no rules in the NCAA now, it is a free for all.
So to be the devil's advocate one could claim Spencer's surgery was elective.
 

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Does it really make sense for Beard to take a medical redshirt? He is a junior. Does he really want stay at school for four more years?
Technically, Beard is a redshirt freshman this year. Since last year didn’t count.
 

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Technically, Beard is a redshirt freshman this year. Since last year didn’t count.
If you really want to be technical, he's a redshirt sophomore. The NCAA is not counting that extra year until you decide to take your free year after your final year and become a Senior+.
 

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Interesting stories today.

1) Iowa fans getting lambasted for derogatory slurs shouted at Austin Gomez. Both of Austin's parents tweet their outrage and humiliation.

2) Oklahoma's Anthony Mantanona chokes out Triston Wills of Ark. LR with "guillotine" and gets rewarded with tech fall over unconscious opponent. See below. From Oklahoma newspaper:

"Looking for his second career win over Triston Willis (174), OU’s Anthony Mantanona found himself trailing early. Willis was aggressive and appeared to have Mantanona in a good position for a takedown, but Mantanona hung on to Willis’ upper body and refused to go down.

The move eventually sent both players down onto the mat and Willis laid motionless on the mat as the officials were forced to stop the match. After being looked at by his team’s trainers, Willis was able to get back up under his own power, but the official ruled that the match was over by technical fall.

The officials watched the replay and determined that Mantanona’s move was legal, giving him the win."
 
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Does it really make sense for Beard to take a medical redshirt? He is a junior. Does he really want stay at school for four more years?
Technically, Beard is a redshirt freshman this year. Since last year didn’t count
If you really want to be technical, he's a redshirt sophomore. The NCAA is not counting that extra year until you decide to take your free year after your final year and become a Senior+.
thats just the way PSU is going about it. If you look at other schools, they didn’t count last year. So, Beard can have 3 years left after 2022 NCAA’s.
 

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Technically, Beard is a redshirt freshman this year. Since last year didn’t count

thats just the way PSU is going about it. If you look at other schools, they didn’t count last year. So, Beard can have 3 years left after 2022 NCAA’s.
I looked this up to try to get clarity, and now I'm even more confused.
https://www.ncsasports.org/coronavirus-sports/ncaa-eligibility-coronavirus

"For example, a D1 freshman athlete, whether they compete in the 2020-21 competition season or not, is eligible for an extra year of competition. Starting their sophomore year, this athlete competes in 100% of the season through senior year. After their senior season, this athlete’s eligibility count is 3 years and they decide to enroll as a fifth-year senior to compete in their fourth collegiate season. Upon the completion of their fourth competition season, this athlete has the option to compete for one final season, a fifth year, because the NCAA D1 had granted all 2020-21 athletes an extra year of eligibility. If this athlete returns for a fifth year, they will have been a member of the team and eligible to receive financial aid for six year, because their first year of competition didn’t count against their years eligibility."

Take Carter Starocci. According to the NCAA from above, he is considered a sophomore this year. But according to this, he actually has the chance to become a 6-time NCAA champion (assuming, of course, he won every year, which ain't easy). If I'm interpreting this correctly, I completely misunderstood the coronavirus ruling. It's not just that 2020-21 was a free year, you ALSO got an extra year in addition to the free year.

Am I interpreting this correctly or incorrectly?
 

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Okie State goes down again - 21-20. I just saw the headlines not much info except that Missou got pins at hwt and 125 and the match started at 141, I think.

One good guy out of the lineup can cause havoc. Reminds me way back when Okie State was the team to beat. I Was at nationals and they were favored, their stud was Yushiro Fujita. A kid from Ohio U. I beleve (this was a long time ago) broke Fujita's arm in the very first match at nationals and Okie State hasn't recovered since. That's my story and I'm sticking with it.
 
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Think that is incorrect. He can be a 5 time champion if he wins the next 4 years and then his eligibility is over. He is academically a junior now. He would be a 3rd year senior academically if he uses all of his eligible years.
 

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I looked this up to try to get clarity, and now I'm even more confused.
https://www.ncsasports.org/coronavirus-sports/ncaa-eligibility-coronavirus

"For example, a D1 freshman athlete, whether they compete in the 2020-21 competition season or not, is eligible for an extra year of competition. Starting their sophomore year, this athlete competes in 100% of the season through senior year. After their senior season, this athlete’s eligibility count is 3 years and they decide to enroll as a fifth-year senior to compete in their fourth collegiate season. Upon the completion of their fourth competition season, this athlete has the option to compete for one final season, a fifth year, because the NCAA D1 had granted all 2020-21 athletes an extra year of eligibility. If this athlete returns for a fifth year, they will have been a member of the team and eligible to receive financial aid for six year, because their first year of competition didn’t count against their years eligibility."

Take Carter Starocci. According to the NCAA from above, he is considered a sophomore this year. But according to this, he actually has the chance to become a 6-time NCAA champion (assuming, of course, he won every year, which ain't easy). If I'm interpreting this correctly, I completely misunderstood the coronavirus ruling. It's not just that 2020-21 was a free year, you ALSO got an extra year in addition to the free year.

Am I interpreting this correctly or incorrectly?
If you noticed Nebraska today, all their guys were listed as last year didn’t count. Lovett will be going to his 3rd B1G tournament. He was listed as a sophomore. Labriola will be going to his 4th, listed as junior. As far as I understand, Carter & AJ Ferrari can be 5 time champs.
 

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Say what.... a racial slur was used in Iowa? Come on man... let’s call Kirk Ferentz in on this investigation. He surely can help us get to the bottom of this.
Iowa fans have proven themselves to the the bottom of the barrel. Opponent injured?? Boo him and watch an Iowa coach mock him. Hispanic opponent?? Shout racial slurs at him. The Imbeciles Out Walking Around scoff at collegiality.
 

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Think that is incorrect. He can be a 5 time champion if he wins the next 4 years and then his eligibility is over. He is academically a junior now. He would be a 3rd year senior academically if he uses all of his eligible years.
If that’s incorrect, then what is the NCAA saying?

"For example, a D1 freshman athlete, whether they compete in the 2020-21 competition season or not, is eligible for an extra year of competition. Starting their sophomore year, this athlete competes in 100% of the season through senior year. After their senior season, this athlete’s eligibility count is 3 years and they decide to enroll as a fifth-year senior to compete in their fourth collegiate season. Upon the completion of their fourth competition season, this athlete has the option to compete for one final season, a fifth year, because the NCAA D1 had granted all 2020-21 athletes an extra year of eligibility.
 
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If that’s incorrect, then what is the NCAA saying?

"For example, a D1 freshman athlete, whether they compete in the 2020-21 competition season or not, is eligible for an extra year of competition. Starting their sophomore year, this athlete competes in 100% of the season through senior year. After their senior season, this athlete’s eligibility count is 3 years and they decide to enroll as a fifth-year senior to compete in their fourth collegiate season. Upon the completion of their fourth competition season, this athlete has the option to compete for one final season, a fifth year, because the NCAA D1 had granted all 2020-21 athletes an extra year of eligibility.
notice the part I made bold. It is assuming he didn’t wrestle in the freshman campaign.
 

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Interesting stories today.

1) Iowa fans getting lambasted for derogatory slurs shouted at Austin Gomez. Both of Austin's parents tweet their outrage and humiliation.

2) Oklahoma's Anthony Mantanona chokes out Triston Wills of Ark. LR with "guillotine" and gets rewarded with tech fall over unconscious opponent. See below. From Oklahoma newspaper:

"Looking for his second career win over Triston Willis (174), OU’s Anthony Mantanona found himself trailing early. Willis was aggressive and appeared to have Mantanona in a good position for a takedown, but Mantanona hung on to Willis’ upper body and refused to go down.

The move eventually sent both players down onto the mat and Willis laid motionless on the mat as the officials were forced to stop the match. After being looked at by his team’s trainers, Willis was able to get back up under his own power, but the official ruled that the match was over by technical fall.

The officials watched the replay and determined that Mantanona’s move was legal, giving him the win."
If a kid has been effectively choked lifeless, the call is pretty simple to me. Especially given the kid who had the life almost choked out of him was on top in the superior position.
 

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If a kid has been effectively choked lifeless, the call is pretty simple to me. Especially given the kid who had the life almost choked out of him was on top in the superior position.
I don't follow. Superior position? He got choked out by an illegal headlock, turned, and "pinned."
 
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