Our 3 permanent opponents

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Reading today that the six revolving games along with perm games are set to balance strength of schedules over nine games as much as possible. With that, who your three perm opponents are don't much matter.
 

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I hate the way this works out for UK. UK's records against these 3 are USC (14-21-1), UF (21-54), UT (20-80-8). That's a grand total of (55-155-9). I can't see any way to spin this as a positive. It looks like every consideration has been made to manipulate as many Bell cow teams to the playoffs as possible.
I don't follow. How over a nine games schedule with the effort to balance overall schedule strengths would the outcome ever not look poor for UK given our history of (well) below average records. What three perm opponents would you give UK & our overall SEC strength of schedule be at/near the conference average? Imo, UK has no one to blame for tough schedules other than ourselves due to our refusal to have at least average SEC quality teams.
 

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FWIW, over the 2021-2024 seasons, our 3 perm opponents had an SEC combined record of 47-49 while we were 11-13.
 

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Why are you surprised? Insiders have told us this for over a year. UF isn’t surprising but I they were the one that some had different.
I didn't say anything about being surprised. The SEC always screws UK whenever possible. UK Vandy should have been a lock though. Vandy and Mizzou both make sense geographically and competitively. It would have been a logical expectation to have gotten at least one of them.
 
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Because they also have Uga & Bama.
KY & Miss ST are thr two pansies in the SEC now. We and Miss ST are used to weaken other teams schedule. This is the results Stoop's contract. Stoops has retired on the job and there is zero that can be done because Mitch Barnhart nailed our *** to the barn. No pun intended, with Stoop's buyout. Sad just Sad.
 

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What I heard on the SEC Now reveal show tonight is that the 9 games schedule is to (further) beef up strength of schedule resumes for the playoff committee since that committee says SOS will be key to who gets in. That weaker SEC teams get hurt by that is immaterial. No more 3 OOC pansies on the schedule. That people want to cry how this setup hurts UK, just field better teams. Vandy is doing it. MO is doing it. Tough luck Mitch. Suck it up & get serious. OR, give up & give extraordinary amounts of NIL $ to other sports you favor.
 
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Seems to be a ridiculous reach to try to correlate the SEC schedule decision with our coach's contract. Do you truly believe there has been a point in time when the league would have given us more advantageous regular SEC opponents? Honestly given the current state of these 3 teams we can be competitive with all three if we can just get back to where we were for several straight seasons not so long ago. I know our UT history is horrible but the talent gap is not as far apart as it has so often been over the years. UF is definitely a sleeping giant but we have played them pretty well for awhile.
 
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So does this mean you also believe Stoop's contract was a major discussion at the SEC meeting and ultimately decided our fate as far as schedule is concerned? I stated my choice was Vandy, Ark., Mizzou as those are the only three that we actually have successful records against. I also said I knew that was just a pipedream with no actual chance of happening.
 
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So does this mean you also believe Stoop's contract was a major discussion at the SEC meeting and ultimately decided our fate as far as schedule is concerned? I stated my choice was Vandy, Ark., Mizzou as those are the only three that we actually have successful records against. I also said I knew that was just a pipedream with no actual chance of happening.
Laughing at the predictability of this screw job. I don’t think the SEC thought one iota of anything going on at UK before inking the 3 opponents in.
 

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I didn't say anything about being surprised. The SEC always screws UK whenever possible. UK Vandy should have been a lock though. Vandy and Mizzou both make sense geographically and competitively. It would have been a logical expectation to have gotten at least one of them.
Uk has lost the last 3 to SC, though being favored in a couple of them. The won they missed a couple FGs and lost by 3. Before that they beat them 7 of 8 times. SC isn’t a juggernaut that UK can’t beat. They are no better a team than Mizzou. The only team on the list that might should be different is UF. In the end it doesn’t matter. They have to play 6 of the other 12 each season.
 
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Uk has lost the last 3 to SC, though being favored in a couple of them. The won they missed a couple FGs and lost by 3. Before that they beat them 7 of 8 times. SC isn’t a juggernaut that UK can’t beat. They are no better a team than Mizzou. The only team on the list that might should be different is UF. In the end it doesn’t matter. They have to play 6 of the other 12 each season.
I never said SC was a juggernaut. We are 14-21-1 against them though and that is by far our best record against any of the three. To suggest that who your three "permanent" annual opponents are doesn't matter is kind of silly.
 
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I can't argue with anything you said. But from articles I read things that were going to be taken into consideration was geography and I think they did that, another was long time rivalries and I believe they kept all of them. Like you said UK doesn't really have that big rival game. I personally don't think oh USCjr as a rival, but it is nearby. I can't complain about our draw, UF likely has a new coach next year, I still think Beamer is the worst coach in the conference.

It's a new world for college football, I am not over the top with it when teams are just buying players left and right, but it's where we are. Texas Tech has a retired multi billionaire buying players left and right. They may have a 75m team in 2 years.

It should've been vandy instead of SC or FL. Doesn't much matter though right now because vandy is better than either.

However over the course of history we're much closer to vandy as a program and much closer geographically.
 

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It’s never going to be perfect. I will say getting Florida is a head scratcher. I thought we would get Tennessee, Vandy, and Mizzou. Tennessee is our rival, so that was a lock.

Since Mizzou has been in the league, it’s been a good a good rivalry.

Vandy is defi on the rise, and since they’re the second closest geographical opponent, I thought they would be the third opponent.

Florida makes zero sense. But, again, it’s not possible to make everyone happy.
 

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It should've been vandy instead of SC or FL. Doesn't much matter though right now because vandy is better than either.

However over the course of history we're much closer to vandy as a program and much closer geographically.
If geography was all that important, we'd have V over FL.
 

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O am not saying you are wrong, but I do have a different opinion. The big rivalries like Texas vs OU, Michigan vs OSU, inner state rivals are what made college football so popular, imo. UGA has stepped out of conference for some big name schools that we seldom play. For me the excitement and anticipation wasn't as high as is for our longtime rivals. Not saying we should play the same 12 teams every year, but I think the current format is a good compromise.
If they go to a 10-game SEC schedule, I hope Vandy becomes our fourth permanent game.
 
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The reality is that all of us- excluding gluttons for punishment- would've liked three of the following as our permanent opponents- Vanderbilt, South Carolina, Arkansas, Missouri, and Mississippi State and no doubt fans of those teams would've liked to see UK as one of their permanent opponents. But that didn't happen. We get three "every year" opponents (including one that we'd hope for in South Carolina) that we've played every year for decades anyway, so the only real difference between future schedules and past schedules is that we get one more SEC game in lieu of a cupcake. And so does every other SEC team. It is what it is.
 

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I never said SC was a juggernaut. We are 14-21-1 against them though and that is by far our best record against any of the three. To suggest that who your three "permanent" annual opponents are doesn't matter is kind of silly.
My point is it could have been way worse. Many thought UGA would be one of the three. UK has done quite well against UF and SC the last several years. Don’t tell about losing 30 in a row because that is long over with. Kinda like pointing out we are 14-21 all time against SC. UK has 4-3 the last 7 against UF and 7-4 the last 11 against SC.
 
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My point is it could have been way worse. Many thought UGA would be one of the three. UK has done quite well against UF and SC the last several years. Don’t tell about losing 30 in a row because that is long over with. Kinda like pointing out we are 14-21 all time against SC. UK has 4-3 the last 7 against UF and 7-4 the last 11 against SC.
Those two schools have many inherent advantages over UK (especially UF) that make it very difficult to compete when they get it right.
 
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What I heard on the SEC Now reveal show tonight is that the 9 games schedule is to (further) beef up strength of schedule resumes for the playoff committee since that committee says SOS will be key to who gets in. That weaker SEC teams get hurt by that is immaterial. No more 3 OOC pansies on the schedule. That people want to cry how this setup hurts UK, just field better teams. Vandy is doing it. MO is doing it. Tough luck Mitch. Suck it up & get serious. OR, give up & give extraordinary amounts of NIL $ to other sports you favor.
Is the SOS they just started looking at? IU plays the weakest Schedule imaginable and will get in.
 

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Those two schools have many inherent advantages over UK (especially UF) that make it very difficult to compete when they get it right.

UF has gotten it right 2 times in the 10025 years of playing college football. Outside of SOS and urban they won zero championships. Will they get it right this? Who knows, but history says they wont.
 

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It’s never going to be perfect. I will say getting Florida is a head scratcher. I thought we would get Tennessee, Vandy, and Mizzou. Tennessee is our rival, so that was a lock.

Since Mizzou has been in the league, it’s been a good a good rivalry.

Vandy is defi on the rise, and since they’re the second closest geographical opponent, I thought they would be the third opponent.

Florida makes zero sense. But, again, it’s not possible to make everyone happy.
All Missouri's permanent opponents are west of the Mississippi River.
 

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Bama not getting LSU as its third means they deemed it too difficult. Miss State makes no sense.

As for us, SC is the only one I probably wouldn’t have done but I don’t think there’s a great argument for anyone in that spot really.
 

UKWildcats1987

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Bama not getting LSU as its third means they deemed it too difficult. Miss State makes no sense.

As for us, SC is the only one I probably wouldn’t have done but I don’t think there’s a great argument for anyone in that spot really.

It was supposed to be about balancing.

And to the poster who mentioned they can revisit n 2030, I wouldn't expect many, if any, changes.
 

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UF has gotten it right 2 times in the 10025 years of playing college football. Outside of SOS and urban they won zero championships. Will they get it right this? Who knows, but history says they wont.
Being too good for the vast majority of teams UK has ever fielded is very different than winning National Championships. You seem to be taking this as hard for anyone to compete with when I am talking about UK not UGA and others of that ilk. They got that much right for over 30 years consecutively in our recent past. Suggesting only title seasons are "getting it right" is absolutely silly imo. Acting like they are average because only two coaches won the national championship is silly. How many UGA coaches have won it? I think it was only Vince until very recently wasn't it?

I'm accustomed to high quality posts from you ordinarily. If this is mostly just about your hatred of the Gators then I guess I can totally understand that.
 
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