Penn State wrestling has a National Duals Invitational spot if it wants it; will it accept?
Penn State is one of 12 wrestling teams with an automatic invite to the National Duals Invitational. Will it accept it?
Penn State has a spot in the National Duals Invitational if it wants it; deadline set for when it must decide
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Ironically while maybe a "tough competitive" tournament it will never have full 'cache' if the Big Dog ain't there--- Cael still in the driver seat as much as DT wants to be a back seat driver we will see if Cael changes his tune but has no reason to all he does is win National Championships
So one million dollar prize money with $ 200,000 going to winner. How much will a national dual tournament make in TV revenue and event revenue? Is this run by the NCAA or Oklahoma state (as hosting it), assuming NCAA, but not sure. With revenue sharing coming would portion of prize money be going to the wrestlers?
Good info Greg. Can you or others that have a much better understanding of wrestling than I do, help me with Cael’s lack of interest in the November duals in OK. There is a financial incentive, but maybe $200K doesn’t move the needle. Does Cael see this preseason event watering down the NCAA championship? Any clarity appreciated. TIA.Penn State wrestling has a National Duals Invitational spot if it wants it; will it accept?
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I realize this doesn’t apply in a message board setting but the answer would be “well, how long do you have to talk” in person. I’ll type out a response asap tonight. It’s nuanced, and I can see all sides of the arguments for and against.
Instead of cash prize how about the following-
Winning team gets to host the following years National Duals ( collecting all the gate) and decides where the NCAA tournament is hosted for the following year.
Winning team gets to host the following years National Duals ( collecting all the gate) and decides where the NCAA tournament is hosted for the following year.
I think the big issue with the National Duals is, "How many times do you want to keep wrestling the same guys, same teams each season?" A big chunk of the top teams are in the BIG and we already see a number of those teams during the regular season and at the BIG Tournament, then we see a number of them at the National Championships. Add in the National Duals and we'll be wrestling the same guys potentially 4 times in the same season. Where's the value in that? Doesn't really help our team or the individual wrestlers. Plus, it just adds wear and tear to an already grueling schedule, which isn't good in the long term.
All good points. If growing the sport is important, will an early season invitational help with that?? In the tournament you see wrestlers from a long list of schools. Wrestlers from programs not in contention for the team title will still draw interest from anyone who follows that particular school. OTOH and IMHO, a 12 team invitational wouldn't have the same degree of national attention outside of the fanbases of those 12 teams, hardcore wrestling fans aside.
From my perspective, that's definitely a big part of it, and what makes the College Wrestling Duals nice. You're guaranteed to wrestle someone different and no one that's already on your schedule.
Some other thoughts:
--I wonder how this will impact the existence of the NWCA All-Star Classic once we see which schools are in and out.
--Will this thing be televised? Is it another FLO event? Will someone else stream it?
--The money is definitely a big draw, and may get some schools who may not be totally on board with it on board.
I'm not sure what Penn State will decide to do. I assume not attend, but we'll see.
We’ll just have to tolerate rival fans saying we are ducking them!
Personally I’d like to see our guys compete, and dominate the competition in yet another way!
Eye on the prize, the big tournament in March. Kids can't win individual titles until then.
This is ALL about DT. He’s very into himself. Simply ask Gilman. We have a very unselfish Coaching staff in Cael and staff. It’s going to stay that way. Best staff in the world thats continues to improve.
Don't think Gilman ever came out and said that. And a lot of people have been pushing for a national duals, just not the PSU staff.
So, I thought the deadline was yesterday. Do we know if we accepted or declined? I haven't seen anything on Flo or Intermat.
Cael was working on his taxes and didn't get the paperwork in
Nico was suppose to turn it in but was getting beaten in the room by Cody Kuhns
Cenzo could have turned the paperwork in but he was at an all you can eat Buffett trying to get to 285 for UNC
Mike Evans isn't impressed with National duels or duals!
Nico was suppose to turn it in but was getting beaten in the room by Cody Kuhns
Cenzo could have turned the paperwork in but he was at an all you can eat Buffett trying to get to 285 for UNC
Mike Evans isn't impressed with National duels or duals!
You forgot Suriano was working downstairs in the room right now and is good to go.
I will never be in favor of emphasizing any National Dual tournament. No matter what format you go with, it will always be dominated by the top few. However, I believe that the current championship tournament format is better for all of college wrestling than a team tournament. This new team tournament will include 16 teams. This past year, 80 teams participated in the tournament. 37 different teams had at least one All-American. 7 different schools had a champion. Since 2001, there have been anywhere from 6 to 10 different schools with an individual champ. With the current tournament, an Edinboro has a better chance of making some noise (3rd in 2015) than they ever would in a dual tournament.
Being a B1G team, any national dual is redundant as far as quality of competition.
If you want to try and improve and promote wrestling across the NCAA I think it would be better to encourage Quad meets. Roll out two mats, have four teams (two large, two small programs) and give each school three duals with one long intermission before the last duals.
Being a B1G team, any national dual is redundant as far as quality of competition.
If you want to try and improve and promote wrestling across the NCAA I think it would be better to encourage Quad meets. Roll out two mats, have four teams (two large, two small programs) and give each school three duals with one long intermission before the last duals.
If you want to promote the sports don't rest your top wrestles in big meets. 2 years ago Cornell was wrestling another top team at the end of the year and like 50% of the starters rested for both teams. If i had bought a ticket, i would be reluctant to attend another match. Missouri is very good about letting the fans know if their top wrestlers are sitting out.
Here are 3 reasons -- probably more exist:
1. We already face Iowa, Ohio State, Michigan, Nebraska, etc., 3x per year. That's enough. It's also part of why we don't go to CKLV or Midlands.
2. It's 1 week after Bill Farrell. We're not sending our top guys to 2 intense events on consecutive weekends.
3. Other teams/coaches/ADs have over the years consistently attempted to use National Duals to delegitimize the NCAA Tournament. (Because they can't beat PSU on the mat.)
Their last attempt involved adding NCAA team points for the Duals winner -- which sounds nice until doing the math. It would've rendered NCAAs irrelevent for the team title except in massive blowout years like 2024 and 2025, or if the Duals winner lost multiple high seeds to injury.
Bingo. No casual fans are turning off November college football and the NFL to watch this.
Yes. I'm awaiting official word from Penn State or the event organizers (neither has responded), but that is certainly the expectation.
Can we send the PSU JV team - never mind they are In Stillwater
Instead of Money the winner gets to host the following year. Hotels, Concesion, parking, ticket sales etc. would be a bigger payday.
Yeah, I'm not able to recall a time when the money was the biggest factor in a decision Cael made.
Start adding in the expenses, and the payout starts to become less appealing pretty fast. Very realistic rough estimate of $600 for round trip airfare, $300 for 3 nights accommodations, and $150 for meal allowance for 3 days. For 20 people total (16 wrestlers +3 coaches + 1 trainer) -> Total of $20K in expenses (10% of winnings). Headcounts and cost per person are probably low-ball.
Risk to early season injury wrestling multiple matches in short period layered on top.
Upside nowhere enough to offset the downside.
Winning team needs to walk away with minimum of $500K to even consider it. Remember, every top 25 wrestling program lost money, most by significant margins. $200K would help make the gap smaller but it would not come close to closing it.
Risk to early season injury wrestling multiple matches in short period layered on top.
Upside nowhere enough to offset the downside.
Winning team needs to walk away with minimum of $500K to even consider it. Remember, every top 25 wrestling program lost money, most by significant margins. $200K would help make the gap smaller but it would not come close to closing it.