Today's WSJ has Penn State rated as the 220th best college in the USA. We are one spot ahead of that notable institution in Dekalb, IL, and two spots ahead of dOSU. Notably, we are behind SUNY Oswego (214), Houston (208), Ursinus (201), Western Illinois (195), Florida Atlantic (183), Rutgers (162), Duquesne (143), Buffalo (121), Montclair (104), Delaware (86), Arizon State!? (72), and Florida International (29). Our two other state related schools are Temple (260) and Pitt (307). Sad state of affairs after all the money donated to Penn State over the lasdt 40 years.
Penn State national ranking - Wall St Journal
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I get that we aren’t happy with 220, but as is often the case, they lumped schools together that aren’t alike. How many kids are considering FIU vs. PSU? Western Illinois vs. PSU? Montclair vs. PSU?
We Are…Dog Sh|t! Maybe not the flavor of dog sh|t this ranking conveys.
We Are…Dog Sh|t! Maybe not the flavor of dog sh|t this ranking conveys.
FWIW, and this is purely anecdotal and a very limited sample size, there are kids from the area going to PSU whose best alternatives are places like Montclair. Gives rise to the observation: which number on the application does PSU consider the most important? The zipcode.
I hope we really fall further down the list and have to cut tuition in half before my daughter graduates!
Now I see it’s obvious that you either didn’t take or failed the course “Economics in Academia”. This calls instead for an immediate doubling of tuition to remedy the situation.I hope we really fall further down the list and have to cut tuition in half before my daughter graduates!
Please stop the nonsense, and just get Sandy’s book “How to increase costs and decrease efficiency in Universities”. It was originally intended for Athletic Directors, but is currently a runaway best seller in all higher education fields.
Thankfully she's helping USC with their acclimation into the B1G.
It makes sense. If you double the cost and cut efficiency in half, 2 × 1/2 = 1.
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Not no more she ain't.Thankfully she's helping USC with their acclimation into the B1G.
Fixed it for you. Can’t tell everyone how happy I am with how well STATE set up 1 n 2 (2018, 2019)
Meh. It's just one man's (or woman's) opinion. I don't think Penn State should be ranked behind ANY of those schools. Not by a mile.
We shouldn’t be ranked behind any of those schools. We should be ranked behind all of those schools.
Where are Wharton Booth NW Harvard MIT Columbia MBAs ranked? THAT is the question. Time to make $
Write a letter to The Journal and ask them to do that ranking and see how far you get.
What is the criteria? I don't have a WSJ subscription so it won't let me view it.
Barry put a link in the attached thread that opens without a subscription.
Wall Street Journal / Times Higher Ed rankings out: - On3
For those interested: PSU came in 12th in the Big Ten, 220th in the nation. The WSJ/College Pulse College Rankings: Measuring Outcomes, Not Inputs (msn.com)
An excerpt to get the gist:Barry put a link in the attached thread that opens without a subscription.
Wall Street Journal / Times Higher Ed rankings out: - On3
For those interested: PSU came in 12th in the Big Ten, 220th in the nation. The WSJ/College Pulse College Rankings: Measuring Outcomes, Not Inputs (msn.com)www.on3.com
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Our new ranking rebalances this. To calculate the value added by colleges, we estimate how well their students would do regardless of which college they attended, taking into account the factors that best predict student outcomes. The colleges are rewarded for their students’ success over and above that estimate. These scores are combined with raw graduation rates and graduate salaries. In other words, success in absolute terms is still taken into account, but with the value added given greater emphasis than previously.
The idea is that a college whose graduates earn a median salary of $60,000 10 years after enrollment and would have earned a median $50,000 if they had gone to a different college is, at least for that metric, more impressive than one whose graduates earn a median salary of $80,000 but would have earned a median $90,000 had they gone elsewhere. Median salaries, or course, are just that: They are the middle of a range of salaries earned by graduates who take any number of paths after college.
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College scores in our ranking are based on three factors: student outcomes, accounting for 70% of the rankings; the learning environment at 20%; and diversity, at 10%.
The ranking is constructed by applying rigorous statistical analysis to official government data, combined with responses from one of the largest independent surveys of verified students ever conducted in the U.S."
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Seems very contrived (looking at the list, I think it shows the desired bias) and reminds me of a thing a plant worker used to say when I worked at my first job: "Liars figure, and figures lie."
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