Per twitter, MHSAA has voted to go to 7 classifications
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Pretty dumb, truth be told we need consolidation to happen in a lot of counties. Way too many schools
It's not dumb if you think about. You have big 6A schools and Small 6A schools. There are a lot of 6A that will never to be able to compete for State Championship. Can Terry ever win the state 6A. The Dixon Brothers type talent only comes a long every once in a while. Brandon is loaded every year. Adding 7A will allow them to spread out the competition. It is probably true for the 5 and 4 A schools as well. I do agree about conidiation of schools.
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Ain't happening. Madison County (one of the best overall districts in the state) would merge with Canton (on the lower end). The beautiful people of South Madison County will not let this happen.
Incredibly stupid. We don't have enough schools to have 6 classes. If we water them down anymore we might be able to give everyone a trophy.
Alabama did this about ten years ago (maybe less). It's 32 teams in 7A, with a range of 56-62 school in 1A-6A. That's almost 400 schools statewide. Presuming patdog's numbers are right, Mississippi has about 240ish schools. So I guess it is a little curious as to why that decision was made.
While I don't disagree completely, the NFL crowns a champion out of just 32 teams.
Ultimately I think it's because the big schools are just whipping folks, and have kinda created an SEC effect.
I think in the end, 6 divisions was fine. Not sure why they added.
The big thing I want to see is the private schools (at least the larger ones) playing in the MHSAA (with that multiplier effect).
For every team you say can’t compete in the big classes, there are smaller schools getting moved up to larger classes. St Martin doesn’t have a chance in hell in anything in 7A. Pass Christian and Vancleave are going to get murdered in 5a. Long Beach will get destroyed in 6A
Looking at possible examples...
Top 24 enrollment based on last numbers:
7A and possible regions:
Top 24 enrollment based on last numbers:
7A and possible regions:
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[/FONT]Desoto Central High School
Southaven High School
Hernando High School
Horn Lake High
Oxford High School
Starkville High School
Madison Central High School
Murrah High School
Germantown High School
Clinton High School
Warren Central High School
Oak Grove High School
Brandon High School
Hancock High School
Terry High School
Northwest Rankin High School
Meridian High School
Ocean Springs High School
Gulfport High School
Biloxi High School
Harrison Central High School
D’iberville High School
St Martin High School
[/FONT]Desoto Central High School
Southaven High School
Hernando High School
Horn Lake High
Oxford High School
Starkville High School
Madison Central High School
Murrah High School
Germantown High School
Clinton High School
Warren Central High School
Oak Grove High School
Brandon High School
Hancock High School
Terry High School
Northwest Rankin High School
Meridian High School
Ocean Springs High School
Gulfport High School
Biloxi High School
Harrison Central High School
D’iberville High School
St Martin High School
It's not about competing. It's about money. It's about the ridiculous districting in 6A and 1A too.
Possible 6A and regions:
Lewisburg High School
South Panola High School
Olive Branch High School
Center Hill High School
Lake Cormorant High
Saltillo High School
Neshoba Central High School
Columbus High School
Greenville High School
Pearl High School
Callaway High School
Grenada High
Hattiesburg High School
Jim Hill High School
Forest Hill High School
West Jones High School
Natchez High School
Simpson County High School
Petal High School
Long Beach Senior High School
Pascagoula High School
West Harrison High School
George County High School
Pearl River Central High School
South Panola High School
Olive Branch High School
Center Hill High School
Lake Cormorant High
Saltillo High School
Neshoba Central High School
Columbus High School
Greenville High School
Pearl High School
Callaway High School
Grenada High
Hattiesburg High School
Jim Hill High School
Forest Hill High School
West Jones High School
Natchez High School
Simpson County High School
Petal High School
Long Beach Senior High School
Pascagoula High School
West Harrison High School
George County High School
Pearl River Central High School
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6A projects to be:
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Lake Cormorant High
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Gautier would be 5A. Merged Simpson County High School would be 6A.
Edit to add: Big question would be if it takes affect in 2023 or 2025 but we know it's coming.
Edit to add: Big question would be if it takes affect in 2023 or 2025 but we know it's coming.
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It doesn't seem stupid to group them by ability to compete? You can't make the smallest schools competitive. You can't stop the very largest schools from dominating. But if there are 24 schools with 100 students per grade, and 24 schools with 200 students per grade, I'm not sure what's gained by pretending the 24 schools with 100 students per grade are the same as those with 200 students per grade. Sure, occasionally the smaller schools will be able to compete and win, but for the most part, if you group them together, you'll still be awarding the state championship (at least in football) among the same 24 larger schools. The only difference is you will ensure most of the 24 smaller schools will not be able to compete for a state championship.
Not much different than having a CUSA and SEC champion.
The worst part is 4 out of 5 teams in each division make the playoffs in 2A-4A. That's a joke and is all about money.
No offense to Terry and a few other schools but you don't reclassify the entire State for a few schools.
THey're going to expand to a 32 team playoff? A five round playoff seems unmanageable with high school schedules. Hell, a four round playoff seems unmanageable.
Do high school football games really net that much money? What do they charge to get in?
To your first question, yes. 2 teams will play 15 games. Absurd.
To your second question all ticket prices everywhere go up in the playoffs and season tickets become invalid for playoffs. And yes, 4A and up draw pretty big crowds. A lot of this money goes to MHSAA. So they are incentivized to make these poor decisions.
Possible 5A and regions:
West Point High School
Lafayette High School
Gentry High School
Cleveland Central High School
New Hope High School
Holmes County Central High School
Ridgeland High School
Provine High School
Vicksburg High School
Canton Public High School
Florence High School
Wingfield High School
Brookhaven High School
North Pike Senior High School
Wayne County High School
Laurel High School
Northeast Jones High School
South Jones High School
Gautier High School
Picayune Memorial High School
East Central High School
Pass Christian High School
Vancleave High School
Stone High School
Lafayette High School
Gentry High School
Cleveland Central High School
New Hope High School
Holmes County Central High School
Ridgeland High School
Provine High School
Vicksburg High School
Canton Public High School
Florence High School
Wingfield High School
Brookhaven High School
North Pike Senior High School
Wayne County High School
Laurel High School
Northeast Jones High School
South Jones High School
Gautier High School
Picayune Memorial High School
East Central High School
Pass Christian High School
Vancleave High School
Stone High School
That’s a terrible example. There are 5 public high schools in Madison county (Madison central, Ridgeland, canton, germantown, Camden). I think all but one of those are 5A or 6A. There are counties that would be good examples but Madison is not one.
Just to give you a Left Coast perspective, in California there is an Open Division. Simply, various regions or sections identify their top tiered teams. The top tiered teams are gathered in a playoff format in the Open Division. The winner of this competition is the State Champion. Most states are going to the college format with Divison 1 the largest and Division 4 is smaller. The winner of Div 1 is not the State Champ because the Open Division is. Simply if you are not in the Open Division, you can only be a division title winner and not eligible to be crowned State Champs? FYI, in Los Angeles if not in the Open Division, the other programs go Division 1 = Larger to Division 13 = Smaller?
Go look up Louisiana High School Football Playoff Formats and read the Nola.com article. They created a Select Class of 12 Private/Parochial Schools and 8 other Divisions to keep Jesuit, John Curtis and Evangel from winning every year. The actually have had teams with 0-10 and 1-9 records make the playoffs since they did that. Now there is a push to reduce to 6 divisions with the Private/Parochial schools being in the Top Division.
Let's just give everybody a trophy and call them state champions and be done with it. The Old Big 8 Conference at it's height would be a much more prestigious win than one of those 24 team "State Championships". Heck the old Little 10 in NE Miss would be about as good. The thing about a STATE CHAMPIONSHIIP is that you assume it means you are the best of a BUNCH of schools. Mississippi does NOT have enough schools for seven classes, or even six. It's LAUGAHBALE. As for the other classes, you are going to basically have 4 teams from a 5 team district making the playoffs. That is also laughable. It has NOTHING to do with competition and EVERYTHING with the MHSAA folks getting their cut of playoff gates and making money to pay themselves. It's making a mockery of the term "state championship."
Go back to five or even four classes and only take the top two from each region or division for the playoffs. Heck just take the CHAMPION. THEN we could actually do something that actually WOULD be good for the kids, push the start of football season back to when it isn't so damn hot. When I was little it didn't start till mid to late September.
San Diego County has about the same population as Mississippi. The idiots in San Diego wanted to claim parity with Los Angeles and created their own Open Division and watered down the quality of Division 1, and Division 2. Divisions 3 and 4 are total jokes and inferior participants, not players get sized up for championship rings? Sadly, San Diego as well as the whole State of Texas found out that it can not size up with the Los Angeles monster programs. End result is San Diego gets a double wammy with watered down divisions in county and total massacres in the Open Division by Los Angeles? Mississippi will regress if it wants to expand to 7A ball because it is not Los Angeles or Dallas-Ft.Worth.
I agree with a lot of this. I would also add their should only be 1 "county school" in most counties. Prentiss, Alcorn, Union and many others having 3 county schools is a joke. There would be a lot of pissed off people though.
The local 1A High School won it’s division in Baseball last night… only 3 teams in the Division.
And there will be a 3A football division where all its schools make the playoffs since the all-girl Our Lady Academy will be in that division in other sports.
Those schools could be:
Jefferson Davis County
Seminary
St. Patrick
St. Stanislaus
Those schools could be:
Jefferson Davis County
Seminary
St. Patrick
St. Stanislaus
Man, it never gets old watching somebody be factually wrong so much also be sure that his opinions are unassailable.
First, there is the fact that you are getting upset about something so arbitrary. The champ of any classification is mainly going to be just a school that was lucky enough to be big enough to be one of the larger schools in the classification but not big enough to be in the higher classification.
Second, having fewer classifications doesn't really change anything. If you merged the sunbelt and the SEC, the SEC championship wouldn't be more prestigious or mean any more. There are 13 teams that could feasibly win a championship (really more like 6 outside of very rare occasions). Putting another 14 teams that can't compete doesn't change anything. Are you so cranky in your old age that it really offends you that CUSA crowns a champion also? THey are on a different level, just like a high school that has 1800 enrolled is on a different level than one with 800 enrolled.
Break it up as much as you want. Who gives a **** as long as long as kids are getting to play.
We don't need fewer schools and consolidation. That's why our education system is so 17dup now. Creating large schools was a soviet era/communist construct that American education administrators and politicians bought into and now we can't seem to get out of it.
We need more neighborhood and community based schools and, yes, the state needs to divert tax dollars to make sure all the schools have what they need to educate all our children, including providing sports teams.
We don't need fewer schools and consolidation. That's why our education system is so 17dup now. Creating large schools was a soviet era/communist construct that American education administrators and politicians bought into and now we can't seem to get out of it.
We need more neighborhood and community based schools and, yes, the state needs to divert tax dollars to make sure all the schools have what they need to educate all our children, including providing sports teams.
Is there still a separate "prep" league for private schools in Mississippi? I don't think Alabama has that - which may account for the larger number of schools?
Comparing the college leagues to this is not a valid comparison. The valid one is college DIVISIONS. The smallest one is FBS, and it has over 120 members. Your other argument isn't valid either. USP was never the biggest. Tupelo always has been, and they have a grand total of ONE title in football. Weir was never the biggest in 1A back when they ruled it. One of the absolute worst records in 2A football was a team that is now in 3A and was always one of the biggest in 2A when it was in it. How many football titles does Harrison Central have? Starkville has won the biggest class more than once, and it has always been a yo yo team. That argument is only used by teams that never win much, and probably won't under the new scheme either.
TOTALLY AGREE with this part. The best ones are the ones the total community cares about and invests things besides money into.
It can't be as bad as Florida's new classification system for football.
We now have 3 classifications (Metro, Suburban, and Rural) and each has 4 divisions. So, we go from 8 state championships to 12. The divisions are so screwed up (size of schools) that many schools are jumping into a somewhat new league.
We now have 3 classifications (Metro, Suburban, and Rural) and each has 4 divisions. So, we go from 8 state championships to 12. The divisions are so screwed up (size of schools) that many schools are jumping into a somewhat new league.
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