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1st Polk....

<span style="font-size: small; font-family: trebuchetms,geneva;">Q: When you decided to endorse Tommy Raffo, why him and not someone like John Cohen who has a proven record as a head coach?

A: Well, Tommy Raffo's played for me and been here 19 years. He's on site, he knows the kids, he knows the program more even than John because John's been gone a long time. He knows the Dugout Club makeup, the foster parent program, the summer camp, our assistant coaches, our players, our managers, our trainers, our athletic administration. It's a no-brainer in my mind that he's there and he deserves this opportunity. John Cohen would be a good choice and some of the others would be good choices but I think he deserves an opportunity. As I passed along to Dave Perno it took about a month for Vince Dooley to be convinced that David could handle it and David's done a good job since. Tommy will do equally as good a job here and it's an easy decision on my part who I want to replace me."

Now Jim Wells...

</span><span style="font-size: small; font-family: trebuchetms,geneva;">Said Wells: "When you think of Mississippi State, it's still kind of like Notre Dame in football and UCLA in basketball. It's one of those places."</span>
 

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1st Polk....

<span style="font-size: small; font-family: trebuchetms,geneva;">Q: When you decided to endorse Tommy Raffo, why him and not someone like John Cohen who has a proven record as a head coach?

A: Well, Tommy Raffo's played for me and been here 19 years. He's on site, he knows the kids, he knows the program more even than John because John's been gone a long time. He knows the Dugout Club makeup, the foster parent program, the summer camp, our assistant coaches, our players, our managers, our trainers, our athletic administration. It's a no-brainer in my mind that he's there and he deserves this opportunity. John Cohen would be a good choice and some of the others would be good choices but I think he deserves an opportunity. As I passed along to Dave Perno it took about a month for Vince Dooley to be convinced that David could handle it and David's done a good job since. Tommy will do equally as good a job here and it's an easy decision on my part who I want to replace me."

Now Jim Wells...

</span><span style="font-size: small; font-family: trebuchetms,geneva;">Said Wells: "When you think of Mississippi State, it's still kind of like Notre Dame in football and UCLA in basketball. It's one of those places."</span>
 

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<font size="2">"When you think of Mississippi State, it's STILL kind of like Notre Dame in football and UCLA in basketball. It's one of those places."</font>
Thanks to the last 7 years of Polk II, he had to use the word STILL! Because MSU in the past 7 years hasn't been any different than 30-40 other baseball schools.</p>
 

vhdawg

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....didn't he get shitcanned shortly thereafter by Michael Adams?
 

patdog

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Used to be good but sucks now. If so, I agree with him.
 

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on that-

We are a sleeping giant, and if we get a good coach in here, we could be really, really good again.

The Georgia job is not as good as ours. They do not have the commitment from the fans or the facilities that we have. For example, if Mike Martin took the UGA job, it would have been a step down from FSU. We also will probably be willing to pay our coach more money that UGA. Polk's comparing apples to oranges.
 

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on the blog, mostly echoing many of the thoughts that have been expressed here. As to Jim Wells' remarks, that's why I said it was gonna be good for MSU this morning; the more people talk about our prestige, the more prestigous we become.

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I think Polk is a baseball genius. Whoever we get will not compare favorably to him. Posters here have compared him directly to Joe Paterno and indirectly to Bear Bryant. I think those are valid comparisons. He has done more for our program, our school and our state than any other single person ever hired by MSU (so far!). I cannot understand why so many posters are so negative about him-you'd think he coached for UM! If Coach Polk endorses Raffo, then I think Raffo deserves a look- along with other cadidates.

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I concur, …. some of the "rookies" here do not understand what this coach has done for SEC and College Baseball…..They JUST DON'T GET IT… and they never will….it was before THEIR time….when they were still in their little diapers….but us old grizzled fans that GO BACK 30 years, know the real HARD WORK and DEDICATION that this Coach has put in….and they can YADA YADA YADA and BLAH BLAH BLAH all they want to …..what they don't understand is where we are at now BECAUSE... of where we have BEEN….I don't think they understand logic….

It's not about not understanding Polk's hard work and accomplishments, maroon3 andfun2bmaroon. I have great respect for Coach Polk and appreciate all of that, but that does not change the fact that it's the MSU baseball program's best interest that's at issue here, not his, nor Raffo's, the coaching staff's, diamond girls', etc. The diamond girl comment was just laughable. And the new coach will hire his own staff; as the head coach goes, the staff goes. This just comes with the territory. Our CAREER assistants have been fortunate that they haven't had to move around like most assistants, but that certainly doesn't mean that we should make sure they get to stay put at the expense of our program. Nor does it matter that Raffo "knows the program" in the context that Polk is using the phrase. What's important is that our new coach understand our tradition, atmosphere, and most importantly, our expectations. Cohen understands this every bit as much as Raffo, and possibly more because he hasn't been subject to the mediocrity that has become MSU baseball.</p>

More importantly, he has also proven (by breaking out on his own like all other assistants who aspire to be head coaches) that he can run a successful program. Raffo has not. It's not important that we get Polk II and run every facet of the program (camps, recruiting, pre-game meals, etc.) as he would. Maintaining the status quo is not what we need. We need a coach to restore MSU baseball to SEC prominence and hosting regionals on a regular basis.</p>

I don't have any problem with Raffo as a person. I'm sure he's a great person and has great love for MSU. I appreciate his allegiance as both a Bulldog coach and player. However, that does not mean he deserves the job. He may deserve a courtesy "look," but I doubt it, and it's hard to imagine his resume' stacking up very well against Cohen's (or any other obvious candidate's). If in-house seniority or length of time on the payroll is the standard, then we should have hired Jack Cristil to replace Templeton. He's sure as hell put in his time and is as qualified to be AD as Raffo is to be head coach. If Raffo wants to be the head coach, he needs to go out, pay his dues, and prove his worth, just as Cohen and many others have done.</p>

As noted, I have great respect and appreciation for Polk's accomplishments. However, he's beginning to lose some of my respect with the way he's acting. It's one thing to endorse a candidate, which Polk has every right to do, but it's entirely different to put the University in this position by throwing such a fit about it publicly, especially when the candidate he's endorsing is obviously lacking the credentials. If it weren't for Polk's whining, there's no way Raffo gets serious consideration, and he knows that. That's why his announcement has come at the most inopportune time imaginable. He said himself that he knew before the start of the season and that the timing was in effort to protect his assitants.</p>

Polk acts as if he it's his right to name his successor. What he apparently fails to realize is that this is not Ron Polk University. I know he was instrumental in building MSU baseball to what it is, but, as appreciative as I am, I don't think we owe him anything. He's named his successor once already, and we named the damn stadium after him. Then after the ol' skipper had coached an opposing team in POLK-Dement Stadium, and his successor had bailed on us, we let him have his job back. Not only that, but we let him leave on his on will. ANY other coach would have been fired for the sub-MSU performance we've seen for most of Polk's second stint. He appropriately wasn't, because he's largely responsible for establishing our high expectations. However, I think we've given him enough. If things end sourly with Polk and MSU, it will be on him. It's wrong for him to put us in this position. You would think if he truly cared about the success of program, he'd advise considering several candidates and hiring the one best suited for MSU, not publicly insist that he should name his successor and Raffo should get the job. He hasn't given us one fact to support the idea that Raffo is qualified to be MSU's coach, only a conclusory assertion that he's "ready to take over the program," and that the transition would be smooth. Again, whose best interest are we talking about?</p>
 

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Todd4State said:
We are a sleeping giant, and if we get a good coach in here, we could be really, really good again.
Two good comparisons are Texas and Southern Cal football in the 90s.
 

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to your thoughts- MSU baseball was NOT built by Ron Polk. Yes, he is a big part of our baseball program obviously, but Dudy Noble, RP Patty, Paul Gregory, and yes, even Pat McMahon ALL have a hand in our baseball tradition. Now, Polk did take us and the SEC to the next level, but it's time to take that final step.
 

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It is the fans - US - that have made MSU baseball what it is. Not Ron Polk. There are plenty of places where they have actually WON a national championship that don't have but a small fraction of the fan support we have. You can win at UGA and nobody will care.</p>
 

saddawg

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He says Tommy will do as good as Perno. Well, that ain't good enough around here, Coach.
Wells quote is maybe over the top since we don't have the NC's of those schools. However, that is the way we are perceived by the professionals of this game. That is big, in my opinion. They think we could be like that.
I agree with the guy who said above, we COULD be a sleeping giant with the right guy.
If I were Byrne, I would not be scared to call any coach in America.
But what do I know. I'm just a Copenhagen dipping, bourbon and beer drinking,cigar smoking, redneck State boy who has a talent for fishing and is a semi genius on football, baseball and basketball .Hell, I've been wrong before.
As you can tell, the fishing and beer were good today. Wish ya'll were here.
 

vhdawg

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Then after the ol' skipper had coached an opposing team in POLK-Dement Stadium
It's semantics, but he never actually did this. The two years Polk was at Georgia, they weren't on the MSU schedule. Georgia came to MSU the season that Polk came back.
 
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<h4><font color="#000"><font color="#000">It is tempting, in this short space, to talk about people. I could write pages about the young men who've played at Dudy Noble. I could go on and on about those electric moments, such as Burke's grand slam, back to back home runs by Clark and Palmeiro, Raffo's monstrous shots, Showalter's .459, B. J.'s 19 strikeouts, Thigpen's throws to the plate, Pete's dirty uniform, the easy grace of Jody Hurst chasing fly balls, and on and on. If they're just a bunch of kids playing a game, why do we talk about them years after they're gone? And it would be easy to write about Ron Polk and the house he </font><font color="#000"> </font><font color="#000">built and the throngs that fill it. It is a credit to him that we are disappointed when we don't make it to Omaha. We expect it. He's spoiled us.</font></font></h4> <h4><font color="#000"><font color="#000">But I can't write pages here; perhaps another day. So I'll just talk about the place.</font></font></h4> <h4><font color="#000"><font color="#000">I guess every ballpark, in earlier times, was something else. Great things come from humble origins and all that, but it's difficult to believe Dudy Noble was once a cow pasture. I discovered it early in March of 1975 while a sophomore at State. This was before Polk, and the crowds were small. On those cool spring nights, I would take a thermos of coffee and sit by myself in the bleachers by first base. I was 20, older than some of the kids I was watching, and had just recently hung up my spikes because I couldn't hit a junior college curveball. I was sad because I wasn't playing, yet I loved to watch the game. It was a pleasant place to be in the spring, but the park wasn't magical, yet.</font></font></h4><font color="#000"><font color="#000"> </font></font> <h4><font color="#000"><font color="#000">The following year State hired Ron Polk, and Dudy Noble snapped back to life. He won, as he always has and always will, and suddenly the stands were full, the crowds were loud, the trucks and trailers appeared in left field, the Lounge was open for business, and the </font><font color="#000"> </font><font color="#000">clouds of barbeque smoke became a symbol of baseball success at Mississippi State. We outgrew the old park, and he convinced us to build a new one.</font></font></h4> <h4><font color="#000"><font color="#000">The older I become, the more I find myself drawn back to Dudy Noble. There are many reasons. It's great baseball played by very talented kids. The game is pure and uncorrupted by money. The place is filled with memories, both of my college days and of the great games and moments since then. It's a wonderful place to unwind. The mood is festive. Time is meaningless. The game is played without a clock. There are no telephones in Left Field. Deadlines are more distant. Appointments seem insignificant. Regardless of wins and losses, I always feel better when I leave Dudy Noble than when I arrive. There are few places of which this can be said.</font></font></h4><font color="#000"><font color="#000"> </font></font> <h4><font color="#000"><font color="#000">Several years ago, during a regional, Brigham Young played one of the early games in the first round. The </font><font color="#000"> </font><font color="#000">gang I hang out with in Left Field always adopts a visiting team. It's nothing official...like everyone, we live in fear of the NCAA and its regulations...It's just our effort to make sure these kids are well fed and taken care of while visiting Starkville. We sent word through our sources to the BYU players, and during the late game a bunch of them arrived at our truck in the Lounge. They were hungry, and tired of fast food. State was playing, and Dudy Noble was packed. We fed them for three hours. Late in the game, I sit next to one of the BYU players and watched with amusement as he tried to eat crawfish. He'd already been served spareribs, pork shoulder, catfish, frog legs, steak and smoked sausage, and as we watched the game I helped with the crawfish. A dense charcoal fog hung over left field. The mob pushed toward the fence. Jim Ellis boomed from an amazing assortment of speakers. There was a constant roar.</font></font></h4> <h4><font color="#000"><font color="#000">The kid was awestruck. "Unbelievable," he kept saying as he looked around. "Unbelievable."</font></font></h4> <h4><font color="#000"><font color="#000">I've seen this reaction many times from ballplayers, and for some reason I always feel compelled to share my knowledge of Dudy Noble and its legends. I filled his ear. Someone passed up a plate of boiled shrimp, and quickly forget about the crawfish. I told stories about Polk, many of them true, and of the stadium and how it was built and the record crowds and the history (my version)of the Left Field Lounge. I unloaded a dazzling array of </font><font color="#000"> </font><font color="#000">statistics of past teams and players. I told tales I knew to be false (how could he know?). It was quite a performance, really.</font></font></h4><font color="#000"><font color="#000"> </font></font> <h4><font color="#000"><font color="#000">He didn't hear a word. He ate his shrimp and watched the chefs at play in the fog. He studied the zany architecture of the trailers and trucks and vans packed together. He stared at the crowd of 9,000 rowdies who had gathered for a college baseball game. "Unbelievable," he said again. "I wished I played here."</font></font></h4> <h4><font color="#000"><font color="#000">I wish I had played there, too, but I never came close. And so I return year after year to watch the best of college baseball, to see old friends and make new ones, to cook and eat, to see the show. There may be larger parks, but not larger crowds. There may be prettier parks, but I doubt it. Dudy Noble is college baseball at its absolute finest.</font></font></h4><font color="#000"><font color="#000">John Grisham</font></font>
 

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.............what we have already, which for a LOT of MSU fans falls way short of where we should be. Raffo brings nothing new to the table. He's been a part of the almost complete mediocrity that we've witnessed for the past decade, and I doubt he'd change anything to bring us back to a high level.

Plain and simple,we need new blood. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work, but we have to take that chance for a program that's become stale. We deserve to take a progressive step forward.
 
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to point out that what I think makes MSU baseball "special" is the simple fact that given a good product on the field, the fans will be out with support unlike any other in the country. That's what other schools can't say. Other places may win more, go to a few more CWS trips than us, but at the end of the day, there aren't many that will rival us in terms of support. We're basically begging for a winner to follow where at other places, baseball's back page news no matter how their team's doing. Baseball could be a big time cash cow for this university given a good product on the field. We all saw what happened when we hosted our first super regional.
 

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Also, how many schools draw 3,000 fans to games when the fan base is divided and pissed off?

We also don't market our baseball team very well, we rely on our tradition to do that for us. I think we really need to market the games to the students because they are the next generation of MSU baseball fans.

As far as being a National power, we obviously don't sell our program well enough around the country. How many times have we hosted a Regional and some player from the other team is like "Man, I didn't know it was like this here. I would have loved to play here."

Didn't we bring the most fans to the CWS of any school last year, or so I heard?
 
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... what I think makes MSU baseball "special" is the simple fact that given a good product on the field, the fans will be out with support unlike any other in the country. ... We all saw what happened when we hosted our first super regional.

A couple of seasons ago, I went with <span style="font-weight: bold;">VHdawg</span> to a mid-week day game against MVSU. First game I had attended a game in I don't know how long. Not because I was a die hard baseball fan, but he had a day off and asked if I wanted to go, since I could at the time. Mostly a 'what the hell' type deal. That, and a chance to go to The Grill.</p>Fast-forward to last year's Super. We <span style="font-weight: bold;">*had*</span> to be there. VH, Todd4State, (either of whom I go to for current baseball knowledge) myself and some friends who hadn't been to a baseball game in years took time off to make the trip. Up until that point, the only baseball I remotely followed was the FSU regional, only because winning it would mean a Super. We were going to be there for the Super because the atmosphere would make it like Dudy Noble of old.

Easily, baseball is third on my sport list. I've not missed a home football game since either the end of Bellard or beginning of Felker. Can't go to many basketball games because of the limited season tickets, but have worked campus connections to try to go to at least one game a season for the past few. Plus, always watch them on TV when possible and listen on the radio otherwise.

I grew up on the '84 and '85 teams. After that, I followed those players in the pros. MSU baseball took a backseat to Clark and Palmeiro going for the batting title. It wasn't until I was a student when I started following baseball even a little. Of course, it helped that we were hosting regionals.

Get a consistent winner back on the diamond and I'll make an effort to be at Dudy Noble a few Saturdays per season. I might even lie to my boss to make a game like I did for the '9(?)* regional final (the one that was played on a Monday).

But it might take back-to-back CWS titles to surpass that Wednesday night in '85. How many of you can claim to have a birthday wish from Jeff Brantley?

AA - *shows how closely I follow baseball <insert blushing smilie here>
 

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he is trying to impose his will on the MSU baseball program's future and doing so in a public manner. If he wants to endorse a candidate behind closed doors with the AD, that's fine. I understand he wants Raffo to be head coach and I respect his opinion. But, I have a problem with his tenacity on this subject and with him going public with it. He's trying to force MSU to hire Raffo, and that's not right. He's acting like us looking at any other candidate is ridiculous and he'll pack up his toys and go home if he doesn't get it way. Worst of all this is playing out on the radio, television, and in the newspapers, which only hurts MSU baseball. It's a very selfish and childish thing for Polk to do.

I respect everything Polk has done here and appreciate it. However, he is not bigger than this program. We had a good program long before he arrived and we have had success after him as well. Thank you for your long years of service and thank you for advancing SEC baseball, but it's time to ride off into the sunset and let the MSU AD do his job. After all, he will be judged by this hire, not you.
 
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