Powerhouse HS teams in MS now going to turf...

graddawg

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Can someone close to any of these programs tell me what led to this? Has growing grass in Mississippi become difficult since I left 3 years ago?
 

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Growing grass hasn't become more difficult. However, having a grounds crew at a HS is an expense. At MSU, you have the luxury of one of the best turfgrass programs in the country. You also have the luxury of cheap student labor. At SP they claim they will save $10k per year, by not having to maintain the field.

Someone above asked how SP financed theirs. They have two foundations were people donate, an academic foundation & an athletic foundation. The athletic foundation utilizes football advertising. Depending on the size of the donation, there are on field ads, ads on the stadium, ads in the program, etc. Some of the site work was donated by local contractors. The bulk of the donation came from Gateway Tires owner Bob Dunlap (of hunting camp fame).

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they don't want MSU to be able to sell their turf to high schools.
 

Spotdawg

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The Jaguars will debut their new turf field next week also. They also did a great job keeping the field in as good a shape as possible, but a couple of rainy football games, continuous soccer games, track and field events just wore the damn thing down to a muddy mess by the end of the school year. Plus, the band had to practice in the parking lot (on some damn hot black pavement) to prepare for performances.

No money to build new fields....land is at a premium all around the school location, so the decision was made. I don't especially like it, but it is at least a solution to a big problem.

For financing, they got the 2 organizations to pitch in and fund raise. Plus my damn season tickets went from $100 each to $200 each. I certainly feel as if a own a piece of that turf.</p>
 

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Spotdawg said:
The Jaguars will debut their new turf field next week also. They also did a great job keeping the field in as good a shape as possible, but a couple of rainy football games, continuous soccer games, track and field events just wore the damn thing down to a muddy mess by the end of the school year. Plus, the band had to practice in the parking lot (on some damn hot black pavement) to prepare for performances.

No money to build new fields....land is at a premium all around the school location, so the decision was made. I don't especially like it, but it is at least a solution to a big problem.

For financing, they got the 2 organizations to pitch in and fund raise. <font color="#CC0066">Plus my damn season tickets went from $100 each to $200 each</font>. I certainly feel as if a own a piece of that turf.</p>
For high school football? at six home games that would be 33 bucks for a game....sounds pretty rediculous even at 100 bucks.....
 

patdog

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Hell, an MSU full-price season ticket only costs $200, and you get 6 games vs. 5. I assume the increase from $100 to $200 for season tickets was voluntary because you just wanted to help pay for the turf, but why are they charging $100 for to begin with? That's $20 per game. I haven't been to a Madison game in about 5 years, but I don't remember paying more than $5 - $7 per ticket.
 

jakldawg

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this Ole Miss conspiracy thing runs deep.


(from the book linked in the Olive Branch website).
 

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Plus, the band had to practice in the parking lot (on some damn hot black pavement) to prepare for performances.
do they not still have the band practice field at the south end of the front parking lot (across the creek)? maybe there are portable buildings there now, i don't know. but i do remember them having their own practice field out there. there also was a football practice field in front of the field house, but i'm sure the coaches didn't want that.
 
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Yes, it is a blacktop. It's marked off exactly like a football field and everything, so it actually works out better since you don't ever have to deal with mud or anything like that. It can get pretty hot in July, though.
 

Todd4State

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practice in that grassy area when the school started before it bacame Hackman's farm/swamp or whatever they called it. They've actually been practicing on the pavement for years now- ever since they built the new band hall.

By the way, I'm lumping my Madison Central posts together.

I know this is Ole Miss conspiracy theory, but I really believe it's true at Madison Central mainly because of Bobby Hall. He's a well known Ole Miss sympathizer. Madison Central's uniforms looked like orange and blue versions of Ole Miss last year. Now we have the turf like Vaught-Hemingway. Hall is a wannabe Johnny Vaught at the high school level.

Those ticket prices are freaking ridiculous. The tickets for the bleachers last year were still about 5 bucks or so, so you come out WAY ahead if you don't mind sitting in the bleachers as opposed to the seats. I'm pretty sure that they jacked the price up for the turf to. There's no other logical explanation because MC ain't going to win 5A with South Panola dominating everyone. Heck, I read the Jaguars haven't even made it past the second round since 99. What they really need is a freaking scoreboard that works along with a better sound system.
 

Spotdawg

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at Madison Central. It was $8 per head to just get into the game last year, and sit in the much less desireable seats with the junior high kids crawling all around you.

To get entrance into the reserved (and best) seating section, there is indeed a premium price. Yeah, its an agreed upon price bump for your reserved seats. It's almost like a PSL to keep the seating that you had last year. Ask around -- I don't think that its that much different at many other 5A Powerhouse programs.

I get to see very good High School Football on Friday night.....and get to see decent SEC Football on Saturdays for about the same price.
 

Spotdawg

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My son in not in the band. As a matter of fact, I have no linkage to the band at Madison Central at all...with the exception that 2 or 3 of my friends have kids in the band. I just think it unfair that they march and practice on the really hot pavement (read -- Parking Lot. )

Please let me add that Madison Central's Band just might give MSU's band a run for the money.) I have some Very Real Problems with the MSU Band Program and how it's being administered. To start, they should issue same-color khakis, asthma puffers and a personal trainer to every new member of the MSU Marching band. And then just start getting rid of all sheet music any older than......uhhhhhh ...say 20 years?

Back to the original question.....I have a daughter at MSU and a daughter at Madison Central. Involved with sports and choir,......but not with the band.
 

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doesn't play Pearl either this year. We used to play them every year though. I'd actually like to see MC play Clinton, Northwest Rankin, Ridgeland, Brandon, and Pearl every year, no matter what. This year we play Lafayette County, Picayune, Tupelo, and McComb- I mean how random is that? The only game I like out of that bunch is Tupelo.

Tell your friend that MC opens up with some road games, so that while the field may not be ready when the season starts, I'm assuming that it's going to be ready when the home schedule starts.
 

Todd4State

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between MSU and MC's band is- and I was a member of both at one time? Support. Madison Central has a TON of support from the community and the school. They've had two band halls in the schools existance, which is about 15 years or so and MSU had the same band hall for almost 100. MC's band hall is very state of the art and it is very well run.

MSU's band is actually run well in my opinion. One thing that you have to understand about SEC marching bands is that all of them fall under the athletic department except for- you guessed it- MSU. Every other band gets some funds to do all of the shows, stand music and everything. And so I say this to people in general- if you want a good band- and I'm guessing that people do because it's discussed from time to time- our fans need to donate money and really get behind the band and support it. Even if it's 50 bucks a year it would be appreciated. I don't know if Byrne can do anything, and obviously there are much greater needs in the AD dept. than the band, namely getting the baseball program back on track, but that's what it's going to take to have a really good band. It took MSU YEARS to get up enough money to build MSU a new band hall. I think it would be good to somehow earmark some BC money to the band if a BC member so desires, or even better you could get points for donating to the band. There are some solution.

Personally, I do like Mrs. Lance. I see her from time to time out in public and she always says hi to me, even though I was one of the worst baritone players in MSU history. Maybe she liked me because my GPA offset some of the other band members GPA's. She loves the MSU band and was once a part of it herself. That said, I do think that the shows could be a little more creative. I think MSU fans were accustomed to Dr. Sills shows, which were very creative. I would also like for MSU to do something very similar to what LSU does in the stands. They have a song that they play on offense for first down, one for offense on second down and etc. Same for defense. That makes it easier because everyone knows what they're going to play and when, all you have to do is look at the scoreboard. We probably play more stand songs than anyone else in the SEC, and as a result we didn't have all that much time to work on them, and some were pretty ragged. We probably had 50-60 songs that we would play. It was a mess to keep up with. By making the stand songs easier like LSU, that means more time for the halftime show, and when you come back to school, the only people that are sightreading the stand music are freshmen and JUCO transfers.
 

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While there are some sections where you'll have jr. high kids running around all over the place, there are also others where you won't. And if you're talking about the difference between a $40 50-yard line ticket (or even a $20 ticket last year) and an $8 30-yard line ticket to a freaking high school football game, I'm going to sit on the 30 every time.

As for Madison Central being a "powerhouse" 5A football program, that hasn't been true since Mike Justice left. The simple fact is there are ZERO powerhouse public school football programs in the entire Jackson metro area. And other than a 5 or so year run that Madison had in the 1990's that's been the case ever since I moved to this area in 1987. Madison is lucky it playes in such a weak district, as evidenced by the fact Madison won the district last year despite an 0-5 non-district record and the district's 0-4 playoff (again) record.
 

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tell the soccer teams to play on the band's blacktop field.

get the field to drain correctly when it rains.

what ever happened to the rule of no one allowed on the field except the young men that have a pair on friday nights.
 

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Spotdawg said:
Please let me add that Madison Central's Band just might give MSU's band a run for the money.) I have some Very Real Problems with the MSU Band Program and how it's being administered. To start, they should issue same-color khakis, asthma puffers and a personal trainer to every new member of the MSU Marching band. And then just start getting rid of all sheet music any older than......uhhhhhh ...say 20 years?
please don't get started with comparing Madison Central to MSU.
 

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patdog said:
As for Madison Central being a "powerhouse" 5A football program, that hasn't been true since Mike Justice left. The simple fact is there are ZERO powerhouse public school football programs in the entire Jackson metro area. And other than a 5 or so year run that Madison had in the 1990's that's been the case ever since I moved to this area in 1987. Madison is lucky it playes in such a weak district, as evidenced by the fact Madison won the district last year despite an 0-5 non-district record and the district's 0-4 playoff (again) record.
you forgot the fact that Ridgeland high opened and took a huge chunk of MC's enrollment and talent.
 

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also, i'm not sure how you thought i was "a little upset about the band practice circumstances."

i was just stating that i remember there being a band-only practice field at one point. i haven't been by (or been concerned enough) to know that there is a new band hall/practice area. but thanks for adding your insight.
 
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olemissbydamn said:
Growing grass hasn't become more difficult. However, having a grounds crew at a HS is an expense.
should consist of the head coach (or a volunteer) cutting the grass on a Sunday and students with free time helping paint the lines.

AA - insert "back in my day" here
 
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BillBrasky10

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I went to Oak Grove and my parents helped raise the money for the new field. The state did not contribute much money at all to the new field. That money was raised by hard work from the parents and many people gave big contributions to get their name on the field.
 
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