this term gets used a lot by analysts and on this board. In the NFL teams just release guys and it is pretty simple. Sometimes they just put them on the practice squad. In CFB what is the "process" to process a player? What if a player says they don't care if they never play they are just going to keep their scholarship - can a school take it from them against the player's will. Since it would be a major infraction to take a scholarship from a player and then arrange an NIL payment to cover the scholarship, there is no choice but try to take the scholarship from them. Injury prone players become a big problem as you cannot afford to have scholarship tied up with too many guys who cannot play. I know Rick N on ESPNU says the coaches have their "talk" with the players who them move on. What if the player refuses? Seems like this could create a real mess, especially if you over recruit from HS and the portal.
"Processing Players"
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Penn State has, what, 97 or so players under scholarship + incoming for Fall 2024?
With a limit of 85
What do you think happens?
It's not like this is the first year this goes on.
(And it is certainly not just at PSU... though being 12 over at this point may be a record)
Throughout college football:
It Begins with I Love You... and it ends with (far too often) Get on the Bus.
With a limit of 85
What do you think happens?
It's not like this is the first year this goes on.
(And it is certainly not just at PSU... though being 12 over at this point may be a record)
Throughout college football:
It Begins with I Love You... and it ends with (far too often) Get on the Bus.
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I believe Schollies are on a year by year basis (there is no 4 year scholarship), just like filling out your FAFSA form. It either gets renewed or it doesn't
Grim can correct if I'm wrong
I believe Schollies are on a year by year basis (there is no 4 year scholarship), just like filling out your FAFSA form. It either gets renewed or it doesn't
Grim can correct if I'm wrong
Big Ten honors four years scholarships as of 2014 (and I can't find anything more recent that says otherwise). Doesn't mean schools can't or don't find other ways to get rid of non-performing players, but on paper the players get at least four years (assuming academic eligibility, etc.).
Big Ten guarantees four-year scholarships
The Big Ten announced Wednesday that all of its institutions will grant athletic scholarships for the entire term of an athlete's enrollment and allow some athletes who leave school to return and finish their degrees on scholarship.
www.espn.com
PSU is at 99 scholarship players, as of today, and with the addition of the two defensive backs from the SEC (UGA kid and FL kid).
So, the limit is 85, and that means 14 have to be off the roster by the time fall camp starts. I also saw online that PSU may pursue more players in the post spring practice portal timeframe, so it could be that evern more than 14 current players leave.
There are also app. 1000 players in the portal who have not committted anywhere else. So, these are guys who won't be on a scholarship for next year if they don't get something. Which means they are either paying for college, or dropping out, or enrolling in JC, or some other option.
I am only hazarding a guess, but I would assume there may be some guys on the PSU roster who just want to hang onto a scholarship for as long as they can, until they can figure out what options they have so they can defintievely portal somewhere else. A freshman OL in the 2022 class (Maleek McNeil) portaled without any definitive plans and as far as I can see, he has not surfaced anywhere yet.
There will be significant movement of kids in late April through May.
So, the limit is 85, and that means 14 have to be off the roster by the time fall camp starts. I also saw online that PSU may pursue more players in the post spring practice portal timeframe, so it could be that evern more than 14 current players leave.
There are also app. 1000 players in the portal who have not committted anywhere else. So, these are guys who won't be on a scholarship for next year if they don't get something. Which means they are either paying for college, or dropping out, or enrolling in JC, or some other option.
I am only hazarding a guess, but I would assume there may be some guys on the PSU roster who just want to hang onto a scholarship for as long as they can, until they can figure out what options they have so they can defintievely portal somewhere else. A freshman OL in the 2022 class (Maleek McNeil) portaled without any definitive plans and as far as I can see, he has not surfaced anywhere yet.
There will be significant movement of kids in late April through May.
That article really doesn't define it very well. Is that just a policy or a contract between the school and the player? If it is a contract, and a team tries to "process" him, he's got a lot of legal options. If it is a policy, the school can simply say "Things changed".Big Ten honors four years scholarships as of 2014 (and I can't find anything more recent that says otherwise). Doesn't mean schools can't or don't find other ways to get rid of non-performing players, but on paper the players get at least four years (assuming academic eligibility, etc.).
Big Ten guarantees four-year scholarships
The Big Ten announced Wednesday that all of its institutions will grant athletic scholarships for the entire term of an athlete's enrollment and allow some athletes who leave school to return and finish their degrees on scholarship.
Secondly, if a kid can be processed after being offered a four-year ride, why do we even have roster limits today when the transfer portal is available to kids that are buried in the depth chart and want an opportunity someplace else? It seems to me the roster limits were put into place when the kids had no options and schools like Alabama would keep 200 kids to keep them away from Ole Miss or LSU.
The roster limit may be the do-do bird of the 2020s
It was a DoDo bird from Day 1That article really doesn't define it very well. Is that just a policy or a contract between the school and the player? If it is a contract, and a team tries to "process" him, he's got a lot of legal options. If it is a policy, the school can simply say "Things changed".
Secondly, if a kid can be processed after being offered a four-year ride, why do we even have roster limits today when the transfer portal is available to kids that are buried in the depth chart and want an opportunity someplace else? It seems to me the roster limits were put into place when the kids had no options and schools like Alabama would keep 200 kids to keep them away from Ole Miss or LSU.
The roster limit may be the do-do bird of the 2020s
So , so, so many of the issues that sullied college football for the last 20 years could have been avoided if the NCAA had just gone with "X number of new scholarships allowed per year", and gotten rid of the "total roster limit". But they didn't care (and still don't) about academics, best interests of the student-athletes, or anything else that got in the way of filling up their $$$ trough to the max.
Period.
And, in that regard, not one thing has changed.
Once again, "Show me the incentive and I'll show you the outcome."
-- Charlie Munger
NCAA amended its rules about ten years ago allowing schools and conferences to extend aid for a longer period. But.......I believe Schollies are on a year by year basis (there is no 4 year scholarship), just like filling out your FAFSA form. It either gets renewed or it doesn't
Grim can correct if I'm wrong
In the almost ten years since that pronouncement was issued coaches have processed players and there have been no challenges we've heard of.Big Ten honors four years scholarships as of 2014 (and I can't find anything more recent that says otherwise). Doesn't mean schools can't or don't find other ways to get rid of non-performing players, but on paper the players get at least four years (assuming academic eligibility, etc.).
Big Ten guarantees four-year scholarships
The Big Ten announced Wednesday that all of its institutions will grant athletic scholarships for the entire term of an athlete's enrollment and allow some athletes who leave school to return and finish their degrees on scholarship.
hmm... so much for the rock I lived under when that was announced
My guess is that if the kid refuses to give up the scholarship and leave, Penn State would have to honor that wish. But frankly who would want to be on the team under those circumstances?
And I would venture to guess that a lot, if not all, would find themselves academically ineligible in no time flat.
Meaning, not being able to participate in team-sponsored tutoring and such? Or something more nefarious? Or they just quit academically.
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Agreed. With the one caveat (an important one) that some way or the other 97 (or whatever the current number is) has to be reduced to 85. Someway somehow.... so what happens if most of the kids say "I wanna' stay here on scholarship?"
I thought non-player scholarships didn’t count against the roster? Remember that kid who jumped out of the pool being one.
And friendly deans become not so friendly. "Oh, Johnnie, you have until the end of the term to clear those 17 incompletes."
They do not. But is the Athletic Department going to swallow the cost of a dozen or more (non-performing) scholarships. Maybe the University will as part of what Big Game James dubs "alignment."
Who cares? Too many guys under “scholarship”? Be like that other program in the B1G, the one where their old quarterback said “We don’t do school”, or something to that effect.
F em. If they can’t contribute cut em.
These guys are paid, not amateurs. Contribute or find a job elsewhere. It is real life now, let’s have none of that pretense of student/athlete amateurism.
I know many of us have had to have “the conversation” in our real life jobs. You give a guy one, two, three warnings. He doesn’t respond? He’s gone.
The players want all the benefits of a job? Well, time to grow up and understand when you are paid responsibilities go both ways.
F em. If they can’t contribute cut em.
These guys are paid, not amateurs. Contribute or find a job elsewhere. It is real life now, let’s have none of that pretense of student/athlete amateurism.
I know many of us have had to have “the conversation” in our real life jobs. You give a guy one, two, three warnings. He doesn’t respond? He’s gone.
The players want all the benefits of a job? Well, time to grow up and understand when you are paid responsibilities go both ways.
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Guys who originally had a scholarship for football but decided or were forced (injury) to step away but still go to school. Art answered above.
What am I missing here?
If a scholarship player decides to step away from football he should lose his scholarship. I get injured guys, that is fine. However, if a guy is healthy and has different priorities, or lacks the skills, football is not for him and he should be cut and have no expectations of any benefits.
My point was that they do currently retain their scholarship even if not on the team and not injured and it doesn’t count against the roster number if they choose to stay in school.
Just to be clear here, they retain their scholarship at the school's discretion AND, in the cases you outline, they don not count against the limit of 85.
Even if the school guaranteed his scholarship for four years when he signed?
FWIW:
Outside of a couple guys post-2011 (due to the special "rulings" by the NCAA), I am not aware of a single, non-injured, PSU football player, who stopped participating on the team, and then was given a scholarship (which would have to be a non-athletic scholarship).
Ever. Maybe someone else can think of one, IDK?
I would hesitate to say for sure, because I don't follow every program in the country in great detail, but i would doubt that any other major programs are dissimilar.
The idea that the guys cut from the team, to get down to 85, would be given scholarships anyway (they, of course, couldn't be athletic scholarships) ? I have never even heard that topic discussed at any level, ever. I kind of doubt I ever will.
So while I suppose it is an interesting hypothetical concept, it is a sure-fire rabbit hole to idiocy if left to be discussed on a board such as this one.
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Fair enough. But in this context, what does it mean for the B1G to say that scholarships are good for four years? Or is this an urban legend?
Oh, they definitely said that, back in 2014 (I think Grim addressed that)
Big Ten guarantees four-year scholarships to student athletes - ESPN
In actual practice? It has largely been nonsense from Day 1 (kinda' like that whole "Grad Transfer" thing was PRed).
Off the top of my head:
Penn State Defensive Tackle Aeneas Hawkins Retires From Football
"Although much of my time in college was spent battling injury, my experience as a Penn State student-athlete was better than I could have ever imagined."
onwardstate.com
Off the top of my head:
Penn State Defensive Tackle Aeneas Hawkins Retires From Football
"Although much of my time in college was spent battling injury, my experience as a Penn State student-athlete was better than I could have ever imagined."
Yeah - not super common but it happens.
"Dawkins even shared a fun little nugget about his path to Penn State, saying that his high school game film included highlights of him on the junior varsity team. And apparently, that game film was good enough to catch the eye of head coach James Franklin. Dawkins says he received a scholarship largely based on his JV highlights"
WATCH: Penn State linemen debut new YouTube podcast show
Penn State OL Nick Dawkins shared a great recruiting story on the debut episode of his new YouTube show with Aeneas Hawkins.
nittanylionswire.usatoday.com
"Dawkins even shared a fun little nugget about his path to Penn State, saying that his high school game film included highlights of him on the junior varsity team. And apparently, that game film was good enough to catch the eye of head coach James Franklin. Dawkins says he received a scholarship largely based on his JV highlights"
WATCH: Penn State linemen debut new YouTube podcast show
Penn State OL Nick Dawkins shared a great recruiting story on the debut episode of his new YouTube show with Aeneas Hawkins.
Meanwhile, Ohio State collecting five stars like Pokeman…..
Yeah. Saw on3 articles showing how the recruited 2 of the top 10 WRs and one of the top 10 defensive linemen. Can hardly wait to see how they did with recruits at other positions. I watched the QB who just portaged to OSU from Alabama play against Mater Dei last September. Mater Dei has been a traditionally great high school football program. I don’t know if the program is down this year but the kid completely dissected them both with his arm and legs. Thought to
myself at the time I am glad he’s going to Alabama rather than OSU or Michigan (so much for that). But I’m sure if Penn State loses this year to OSU many “experts” on here will blame Franklin’s coaching rather than OSU’s superior talent.
our niece had a track scholarship to a BIG school that was 75% scholie. She was a sprinter and had a very bad hip flexor injury which for sprinter is bad news. She left team and AD helped her get set with academic scholarship. She was BioEng and good scores/GPA so she go most of it academically. two years later she was healed well enough and went back to team and they gave her scholarship back for final year. the 5 year clock was running so she only had one year. it was like being on IR, but she was not able to participate in any way with the team.
not a realistic approach for FB players.
So you're saying "give up your scholarship or we can give you a career-ending injury and let you keep it"?
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