PSU BOT related issue:

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102623-psu-ltr.pdf (documentcloud.org)

Some of the more concerning takeaways:

1) "The Penn State Board of Trustees improperly deliberates, takes official action, and uses the executive session and conference exceptions in violation of the Sunshine Act"

2) "In May, Spotlight PA reported that in spring 2022, a select set of Board leaders held a non-public meeting with university leadership to discuss budgeting issues to be brought forward at the Board’s public July 2022 meeting. After presenting a budget, the Board members in attendance allegedly “suggested that [a $245 million] deficit would likely not” receive the full Board’s support.
In response to Spotlight PA’s questions on the meeting—for which there is no public record— Secretary Harvey contended that the Sunshine Act does not “restrict discussions between board leadership, board committee leadership and the university administration.”
Harvey further wrote that “the Sunshine Law [sic] permits conference sessions in which information may be provided to trustees for the purpose of fulfilling their fiduciary duties at which trustees are permitted to ask questions.”
Secretary Harvey is wrong."

3) "The Board has also taken the position that its thirteen-member Executive Committee has lawfully held non-public “conferences” for nearly twelve years. See Massey, Regular Public Meetings. Secretary Harvey told Spotlight PA that the Executive Committee meets in private only to discuss agendas and plan.
Executive Committee’s agenda-setting meetings are “deliberative” in nature and must be publicly noticed, open, and documented, whether the Committee labels them a “conference” or not"

4) "In April 2023, Chair Schuyler and Vice Chair Kleppinger sent an email to all members in advance of the full Board’s May 5 meeting, noting that the Board would conduct a closed “trustee conference and executive session,” as it had “for the past few cycles.” Email from Matthew Schuyler and David Kleppinger to Board (Apr. 24, 2023). The Board chairs additionally requested that trustees ask questions regarding the Board’s Finance, Business and Capital Planning materials “during the conference session” so that they could be “answered in the run up to”—as opposed to during—“the [open] meeting.
At the open afternoon meeting, one trustee brought his concerns about the Board’s financial plans to light in public, upsetting Schuyler who chided the trustee for not “mentioning these [issues] in [the] previous three sessions discussing these matters.
The Board leadership’s guidance to restrict discussion of certain matters to the Board’s private meetings—and its displeasure when that guidance was not strictly heeded—suggests that it has attempted to work out “consensus” on its policies in private."

And, the summation:

5) "PSU’s lack of transparency harms the public it is designed to serve and educate. The PSU Board of Trustees’ misuse of conferences and executive sessions violates the letter and intent of the Sunshine Act and, consequently, erodes the public’s faith."
 
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102623-psu-ltr.pdf (documentcloud.org)

Some of the more concerning takeaways:

1) "The Penn State Board of Trustees improperly deliberates, takes official action, and uses the executive session and conference exceptions in violation of the Sunshine Act"

2) "In May, Spotlight PA reported that in spring 2022, a select set of Board leaders held a non-public meeting with university leadership to discuss budgeting issues to be brought forward at the Board’s public July 2022 meeting. After presenting a budget, the Board members in attendance allegedly “suggested that [a $245 million] deficit would likely not” receive the full Board’s support.
In response to Spotlight PA’s questions on the meeting—for which there is no public record— Secretary Harvey contended that the Sunshine Act does not “restrict discussions between board leadership, board committee leadership and the university administration.”
Harvey further wrote that “the Sunshine Law [sic] permits conference sessions in which information may be provided to trustees for the purpose of fulfilling their fiduciary duties at which trustees are permitted to ask questions.”
Secretary Harvey is wrong."

3) "The Board has also taken the position that its thirteen-member Executive Committee has lawfully held non-public “conferences” for nearly twelve years. See Massey, Regular Public Meetings. Secretary Harvey told Spotlight PA that the Executive Committee meets in private only to discuss agendas and plan.
Executive Committee’s agenda-setting meetings are “deliberative” in nature and must be publicly noticed, open, and documented, whether the Committee labels them a “conference” or not"

4) "In April 2023, Chair Schuyler and Vice Chair Kleppinger sent an email to all members in advance of the full Board’s May 5 meeting, noting that the Board would conduct a closed “trustee conference and executive session,” as it had “for the past few cycles.” Email from Matthew Schuyler and David Kleppinger to Board (Apr. 24, 2023). The Board chairs additionally requested that trustees ask questions regarding the Board’s Finance, Business and Capital Planning materials “during the conference session” so that they could be “answered in the run up to”—as opposed to during—“the [open] meeting.
At the open afternoon meeting, one trustee brought his concerns about the Board’s financial plans to light in public, upsetting Schuyler who chided the trustee for not “mentioning these [issues] in [the] previous three sessions discussing these matters.
The Board leadership’s guidance to restrict discussion of certain matters to the Board’s private meetings—and its displeasure when that guidance was not strictly heeded—suggests that it has attempted to work out “consensus” on its policies in private."

And, the summation:

5) "PSU’s lack of transparency harms the public it is designed to serve and educate. The PSU Board of Trustees’ misuse of conferences and executive sessions violates the letter and intent of the Sunshine Act and, consequently, erodes the public’s faith."
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ApexLion

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Go get 'em. It's always the closed door, small meetings where the small mind grafters, ahem PSU BOT visionaries truly shine.
 
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102623-psu-ltr.pdf (documentcloud.org)

Some of the more concerning takeaways:

1) "The Penn State Board of Trustees improperly deliberates, takes official action, and uses the executive session and conference exceptions in violation of the Sunshine Act"

2) "In May, Spotlight PA reported that in spring 2022, a select set of Board leaders held a non-public meeting with university leadership to discuss budgeting issues to be brought forward at the Board’s public July 2022 meeting. After presenting a budget, the Board members in attendance allegedly “suggested that [a $245 million] deficit would likely not” receive the full Board’s support.
In response to Spotlight PA’s questions on the meeting—for which there is no public record— Secretary Harvey contended that the Sunshine Act does not “restrict discussions between board leadership, board committee leadership and the university administration.”
Harvey further wrote that “the Sunshine Law [sic] permits conference sessions in which information may be provided to trustees for the purpose of fulfilling their fiduciary duties at which trustees are permitted to ask questions.”
Secretary Harvey is wrong."

3) "The Board has also taken the position that its thirteen-member Executive Committee has lawfully held non-public “conferences” for nearly twelve years. See Massey, Regular Public Meetings. Secretary Harvey told Spotlight PA that the Executive Committee meets in private only to discuss agendas and plan.
Executive Committee’s agenda-setting meetings are “deliberative” in nature and must be publicly noticed, open, and documented, whether the Committee labels them a “conference” or not"

4) "In April 2023, Chair Schuyler and Vice Chair Kleppinger sent an email to all members in advance of the full Board’s May 5 meeting, noting that the Board would conduct a closed “trustee conference and executive session,” as it had “for the past few cycles.” Email from Matthew Schuyler and David Kleppinger to Board (Apr. 24, 2023). The Board chairs additionally requested that trustees ask questions regarding the Board’s Finance, Business and Capital Planning materials “during the conference session” so that they could be “answered in the run up to”—as opposed to during—“the [open] meeting.
At the open afternoon meeting, one trustee brought his concerns about the Board’s financial plans to light in public, upsetting Schuyler who chided the trustee for not “mentioning these [issues] in [the] previous three sessions discussing these matters.
The Board leadership’s guidance to restrict discussion of certain matters to the Board’s private meetings—and its displeasure when that guidance was not strictly heeded—suggests that it has attempted to work out “consensus” on its policies in private."

And, the summation:

5) "PSU’s lack of transparency harms the public it is designed to serve and educate. The PSU Board of Trustees’ misuse of conferences and executive sessions violates the letter and intent of the Sunshine Act and, consequently, erodes the public’s faith."
So the potential combination of closed-door meetings, mammoth egos and tragic vocational incompetence is bad?

Who knew?
 

Alphalion75

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102623-psu-ltr.pdf (documentcloud.org)

Some of the more concerning takeaways:

1) "The Penn State Board of Trustees improperly deliberates, takes official action, and uses the executive session and conference exceptions in violation of the Sunshine Act"

2) "In May, Spotlight PA reported that in spring 2022, a select set of Board leaders held a non-public meeting with university leadership to discuss budgeting issues to be brought forward at the Board’s public July 2022 meeting. After presenting a budget, the Board members in attendance allegedly “suggested that [a $245 million] deficit would likely not” receive the full Board’s support.
In response to Spotlight PA’s questions on the meeting—for which there is no public record— Secretary Harvey contended that the Sunshine Act does not “restrict discussions between board leadership, board committee leadership and the university administration.”
Harvey further wrote that “the Sunshine Law [sic] permits conference sessions in which information may be provided to trustees for the purpose of fulfilling their fiduciary duties at which trustees are permitted to ask questions.”
Secretary Harvey is wrong."

3) "The Board has also taken the position that its thirteen-member Executive Committee has lawfully held non-public “conferences” for nearly twelve years. See Massey, Regular Public Meetings. Secretary Harvey told Spotlight PA that the Executive Committee meets in private only to discuss agendas and plan.
Executive Committee’s agenda-setting meetings are “deliberative” in nature and must be publicly noticed, open, and documented, whether the Committee labels them a “conference” or not"

4) "In April 2023, Chair Schuyler and Vice Chair Kleppinger sent an email to all members in advance of the full Board’s May 5 meeting, noting that the Board would conduct a closed “trustee conference and executive session,” as it had “for the past few cycles.” Email from Matthew Schuyler and David Kleppinger to Board (Apr. 24, 2023). The Board chairs additionally requested that trustees ask questions regarding the Board’s Finance, Business and Capital Planning materials “during the conference session” so that they could be “answered in the run up to”—as opposed to during—“the [open] meeting.
At the open afternoon meeting, one trustee brought his concerns about the Board’s financial plans to light in public, upsetting Schuyler who chided the trustee for not “mentioning these [issues] in [the] previous three sessions discussing these matters.
The Board leadership’s guidance to restrict discussion of certain matters to the Board’s private meetings—and its displeasure when that guidance was not strictly heeded—suggests that it has attempted to work out “consensus” on its policies in private."

And, the summation:

5) "PSU’s lack of transparency harms the public it is designed to serve and educate. The PSU Board of Trustees’ misuse of conferences and executive sessions violates the letter and intent of the Sunshine Act and, consequently, erodes the public’s faith."
Eroding the public's faith has been Penn State's MO since 2011.
 

LionJim

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And some wonder why Harrisburg isn't more forthcoming with funding.
Let me ask this question: do the provisions of the Sunshine Act (and noting that BF’s OP specifically stated the PSUBOT is bound to these provisions) forbid the board from meeting in private ever? “Deliberate” is as broad a verb as could be used.
 

HarrisburgDave

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I have made presentations to public boards for years as part of my job working on construction related matters. The use of private meetings has been the discussion of personnel and certain contract matters. That does not mean that those matters are not debated in public session. However, in places with single party domination or driven by a strong board leader you see the private meeting exception abused very often.
 
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LionJim

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Let me ask this question: do the provisions of the Sunshine Act (and noting that BF’s OP specifically stated the PSUBOT is bound to these provisions) forbid the board from meeting in private ever? “Deliberate” is as broad a verb as could be used.
I’ll answer my own question: of course the board is permitted to meet privately under certain scenarios. (Otherwise the statue would read “no private meetings whatsoever.”)

But I do think that putting any college board of trustees under a super-broad Sunshine Law would push the boards towards being rubber stamps to the administration. You need to have some private meetings.

But that’s neither here nor there. The PSUBOT is bound to the Sunshine Law, however it reads.
 

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Let me ask this question: do the provisions of the Sunshine Act (and noting that BF’s OP specifically stated the PSUBOT is bound to these provisions) forbid the board from meeting in private ever? “Deliberate” is as broad a verb as could be used.
I don't know. But deliberating behind closed doors on how money is spent does not instill a high level of confidence in people from who you are asking for it.
 

GrimReaper

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I’ll answer my own question: of course the board is permitted to meet privately under certain scenarios. (Otherwise the statue would read “no private meetings whatsoever.”)

But I do think that putting any college board of trustees under a super-broad Sunshine Law would push the boards towards being rubber stamps to the administration. You need to have some private meetings.

But that’s neither here nor there. The PSUBOT is bound to the Sunshine Law, however it reads.
What makes you believe that PSU's BOT is no a "rubber stamp to the administration?"
 

LionJim

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What makes you believe that PSU's BOT is not a "rubber stamp to the administration?"
I knew this was going to come back to me somehow. Answer: I know the PSUBOT is currently a rubber stamp to the PSU administration. But if the board wants to break away from this fact they’re going to have to start behind closed doors. A lot of eggs need to be broken for PSU to get anywhere. Mandate the recording of minutes in these private sessions and take no formal votes, go from there.

One thing to consider: the importance of maintaining a spotless, gleaming public personae virtually guarantees that people will keep their mouths shut in public. BF is quite the outlier, believe.
 

PSUFTG2

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Let me ask this question: do the provisions of the Sunshine Act (and noting that BF’s OP specifically stated the PSUBOT is bound to these provisions) forbid the board from meeting in private ever? “Deliberate” is as broad a verb as could be used.
FWIW - and to assure something is abundantly clear:

Nowhere in there is MY interpretation. That letter was written by the legal team of that organization. I just posted their work. (I think they are correct wrt the interpretation of the statutes, but that is a different issue)
And, I don't think anyone would claim, or advocate for, some blanket prohibition against any non-public meetings - just adherence to the statutes (by word and intent).
 

BW Lion

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102623-psu-ltr.pdf (documentcloud.org)

Some of the more concerning takeaways:

1) "The Penn State Board of Trustees improperly deliberates, takes official action, and uses the executive session and conference exceptions in violation of the Sunshine Act"

2) "In May, Spotlight PA reported that in spring 2022, a select set of Board leaders held a non-public meeting with university leadership to discuss budgeting issues to be brought forward at the Board’s public July 2022 meeting. After presenting a budget, the Board members in attendance allegedly “suggested that [a $245 million] deficit would likely not” receive the full Board’s support.
In response to Spotlight PA’s questions on the meeting—for which there is no public record— Secretary Harvey contended that the Sunshine Act does not “restrict discussions between board leadership, board committee leadership and the university administration.”
Harvey further wrote that “the Sunshine Law [sic] permits conference sessions in which information may be provided to trustees for the purpose of fulfilling their fiduciary duties at which trustees are permitted to ask questions.”
Secretary Harvey is wrong."

3) "The Board has also taken the position that its thirteen-member Executive Committee has lawfully held non-public “conferences” for nearly twelve years. See Massey, Regular Public Meetings. Secretary Harvey told Spotlight PA that the Executive Committee meets in private only to discuss agendas and plan.
Executive Committee’s agenda-setting meetings are “deliberative” in nature and must be publicly noticed, open, and documented, whether the Committee labels them a “conference” or not"

4) "In April 2023, Chair Schuyler and Vice Chair Kleppinger sent an email to all members in advance of the full Board’s May 5 meeting, noting that the Board would conduct a closed “trustee conference and executive session,” as it had “for the past few cycles.” Email from Matthew Schuyler and David Kleppinger to Board (Apr. 24, 2023). The Board chairs additionally requested that trustees ask questions regarding the Board’s Finance, Business and Capital Planning materials “during the conference session” so that they could be “answered in the run up to”—as opposed to during—“the [open] meeting.
At the open afternoon meeting, one trustee brought his concerns about the Board’s financial plans to light in public, upsetting Schuyler who chided the trustee for not “mentioning these [issues] in [the] previous three sessions discussing these matters.
The Board leadership’s guidance to restrict discussion of certain matters to the Board’s private meetings—and its displeasure when that guidance was not strictly heeded—suggests that it has attempted to work out “consensus” on its policies in private."

And, the summation:

5) "PSU’s lack of transparency harms the public it is designed to serve and educate. The PSU Board of Trustees’ misuse of conferences and executive sessions violates the letter and intent of the Sunshine Act and, consequently, erodes the public’s faith."
A question for you.

BOT arrogance or incompetence?
 
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She was going to interview for an executive position not an elected one . Not the same but I’m sure equally f Ed up
 

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Interesting. In these here parts, school board elections are non-partisan. Candidates simply need to get a sufficient number of signatures on a nominating petition and they're on the ballot.
I think that is a MUCH preferred method for School Boards.

Unfortunately, not the case here in State College. It is, more or less, the typical "political" election logistics - party primaries, then a general election.
School Boards (along with Judges) do allow cross-filing (I am fairly certain that is dictated by State statute here in PA). But the general elections work more or less like any other election.

And, given the demographic makeup of the voter rolls, there has not been a single non-Democratic person on the 9-member board in quite some time.
Many years, there are ONLY "D" candidates on the ballot for many State College elections, let alone any non-D candidates actually win. In fact, this year there are 5 seats open on the State College Borough Council - and the only folks on the ballot are 5 "D"s. Same with many of the local Township elections (including my home region of Patton Township - with only D's on the ballot) .... it is so overwhelmingly Democratic, that many (most?) positions in and around State College are single candidate "races". County-wide (bringing in the outlying regions of the County), the demographics are closer - and most county-wide elections are contested.
 
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I think that is a MUCH preferred method for School Boards.

Unfortunately, not the case here in State College. It is, more or less, the typical "political" election logistics - party primaries, then a general election.
School Boards (along with Judges) do allow cross-filing (I am fairly certain that is dictated by State statute here in PA). But the general elections work more or less like any other election.

And, given the demographic makeup of the voter rolls, there has not been a single non-Democratic person on the 9-member board in quite some time.
Many years, there are ONLY "D" candidates on the ballot for many State College elections, let alone any non-D candidates actually win. In fact, this year there are 5 seats open on the State College Borough Council - and the only folks on the ballot are 5 "D"s. Same with many of the local Township elections (including my home region of Patton Township - with only D's on the ballot) .... it is so overwhelmingly Democratic, that many (most?) positions in and around State College are single candidate "races". County-wide (bringing in the outlying regions of the County), the demographics are closer - and most county-wide elections are contested.

Hmm. Do you have kids Barry? I mean, could be grown or little (or not still in school).
 
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