PSU season ticket (edit) BROKERS that primarily resell are losing buying privileges 👀
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I think that letter is fake. A letter like that would not come under football letterhead and signed by ICA with no name. I call BS. I newly updated T&C say can't purchase tickets with the intent of reselling.
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Yeah, this could backfire (if true). They’ve had 2 lousy seasons but yet live in la la land with the ridiculous contract extension (and I’m sure the upcoming ticket price increases). It’s rare for games to truly sellout and now they’re going to (reportedly) take tickets from people who resell?
Maybe if they went after those who resell to Ohio State, Michigan, and Auburn fans but to go after those who sell to other PSU fans?
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Did I miss how Penn State would know what you are doing with your tickets after you've purchased them?
To be fair and honest, I agree with the university on this move. Re-sellers are completely ruining a fair access to sports/entertainment events and ticketing. Too bad for you.
Tickets are mobile and must be transfered through the PSU Athletics App so apparently they can track it all. Some season ticket holders pay extra for paper tickets (I scored some for the Indiana game) so I suppose that could be a work around.
They also partner with Ticketmaster as a featured perk for ease of selling. They failed to mention this perk was also being used to make book.
Ah. I'd stick with paper tickets. Sounds like a PITA for the most part.
There needs to be a class action suit against Ticketmaster since all tickets went mobile with the pandemic and they price gouge for every event.
What about a scenario where someone lives out of town and buys season tickets just so they can attend 1-2 home games a year, and sells the rest at face value to other PSU fans. I don't see a problem with this and I'd imagine if such a person wanted to attend the biggest home games this might be a viable approach to avoid the huge asking prices for games like OSU and UM. If someone is doing this they shouldn't be banned from buying tickets.
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This is BS. I do not see PSU doing this. But if they do, my response is
I buy season tix to go to the games I want to attend. Penn State is going to tell me that unless I am willing to go to SC 6-7 weekends in season, pay $2,000+ for a room for 2 nights plus other inflated SC in season charges (and my guests do the same) they will take away my season tix (after 16 years). I have 6 tix and remit a nice annual NLC donation.
If we were talking about high demand concert tours or something like that, it would be different. Who doesn't have access to Penn State football tickets? If the answer is "no one" (which has been the case in recent years), then how is access unfair? I just don't see that logic.
OK, for those 3 people this affects you have a point. But to protect the overall integrity of this issue, too bad. Buy single game tix then.
Too much for a chat board. The integrity of across the board ticket sales is affected by people who buy and re-sell. It's that simple. There may be a very small percentage that buy season tix and live in Calif. and re sell just to get rid of them at cost. I can likely count them on one hand. This is really a simple argument. Sorry if you can't or choose not to see logic in it. I hear the complaints coming mostly from people that love complaining about anything PSU/Board of Trustees/ etc.
Of course it is. They know who the bad eggs are in this situation and they are going after them. I applaud the university for protecting my tickets and access to them, while also protecting their product.
The thing is, if they are submitting a donation, paying for the tickets....there is very little chance they are actually profiting off of their purchase. Maybe they sell the high profile games for $250-$300 each, but they're lucky to get $30 for some of the other games. If some broker wants to try to do this, go right ahead! There are plenty of season tickets available, and this is just another paying customer. Their resale price is also going to be based on demand, so who cares...Penn state is already using a variable price for single game tickets.
Simple question: Is there (in recent years) a single Penn State fan that can't - if they want to - buy season tickets directly from Penn State? That has been turned away because tickets were depleted by some "bad guys"?
I don't think so - maybe I'm wrong - but I see tickets available, from Penn State, for every game (notwithstanding that they announce sell outs for every game - which we all know is absurd), and I most certainly could buy more season tickets, every year (in recent years), during the season tickets sales period, if I wanted them. Aside from someone wanting to buy single-game extra tickets for a "high profile" game - which is NOT the issue at topic here, and would not be addressed by this new "policy" - what is the hub, bub?
So, on the premise that the statement is correct, what possible harm is created, with regard to Penn State fans (not some general commentary with regard to Ticketmaster, of which I would probably join in on the "negative chorus").
I choose "not to see the logic in that", because there doesn't appear to be any. But maybe you can enlighten? If the argument is simple, maybe you could expound with regard to the harm - starting with who is being harmed, and how, and how this policy rectifies it? (Again, specific to the topic at hand, Penn State season football tickets)
In what way do your tickets - or anyone else's - need to be "protected"? I think I know the answer, but I'm open to hearing about something I am not aware of. (But please try to do it in a way that doesn't imply that I am incapable of understanding the "simple argument" that, to this point, has yet to reveal itself)
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A few thoughts about this development:
1) Yes, the mobile entry is tracked by PSU. It's data, and we all know, or should know, that any data that is trackable will be tracked, noted and parsed. I can assure you that PSU knows everything about your ticket use, when you enter, what gate you enter, who you transfer it to, how much you received if sold thru TM, and what they did with the ticket.
2) This makes sense if PSU has done it's homework and actually is correctly identifying ticket brokers. I noted several years ago that tickets were essentially for sale year-round on other sites, back in the days of paper tickets. As any longtime PSU watcher can tell you, it rarely does its homework correctly.
3) For unknown reasons I did read the terms and conditions portion of the renewal email and noticed the wording on resales. Now, I'm not a lawyer, and I most assuredly did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but if this wording was not there before, can PSU really act on this data this quickly. Board lawyers input would be preferred, as well as anyone who has last year's renewal notice still in their email to see if the wording is there as well.
4) Finally, this should end the attendance/tickets sold arguments once and for all. PSU knows exactly how many butts are in that stadium and it's blatantly lying when announcing "today's attendance" on the video board.
1) Yes, the mobile entry is tracked by PSU. It's data, and we all know, or should know, that any data that is trackable will be tracked, noted and parsed. I can assure you that PSU knows everything about your ticket use, when you enter, what gate you enter, who you transfer it to, how much you received if sold thru TM, and what they did with the ticket.
2) This makes sense if PSU has done it's homework and actually is correctly identifying ticket brokers. I noted several years ago that tickets were essentially for sale year-round on other sites, back in the days of paper tickets. As any longtime PSU watcher can tell you, it rarely does its homework correctly.
3) For unknown reasons I did read the terms and conditions portion of the renewal email and noticed the wording on resales. Now, I'm not a lawyer, and I most assuredly did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but if this wording was not there before, can PSU really act on this data this quickly. Board lawyers input would be preferred, as well as anyone who has last year's renewal notice still in their email to see if the wording is there as well.
4) Finally, this should end the attendance/tickets sold arguments once and for all. PSU knows exactly how many butts are in that stadium and it's blatantly lying when announcing "today's attendance" on the video board.
I often purchase additional tickets for a specific game - often on late notice, as the number in the "group" changes.
In recent years, that often involves using the Penn State/Ticketmaster site.
There are, as a lot of people know, typically thousands of seats available, even on late notice for all but the 2 or 3 highest profile games each year. Tickets that are available straight from Penn State, not by some re-seller.
That, undeniably, shows two things.
1) The announcement of sell-outs is nonsense in most cases (in fact, this year, Penn State ICA "announced" that they sold out the entire stadium for every game this year. Truly, they did that just in the last couple of weeks. Said total attendance was something like 101% of capacity for the year. Thee seem to be ascribing to the notion that if you say something often enough, it becomes true).
2) There are thousands of seats, available for season ticket purchase (not in the "visitor sections" or student seating), that are not sold each year (at least for the last few years). In fact, if one were curious, they could simply tap into the PSU/Ticketmaster site at the beginning of the season - look at the conference game with the likely lowest demand (usually a Rutgers game, if they are on the home schedule
) and count the number of tickets available, direct from Penn State, in the "season ticket areas" - not student and visitor areas. That will tell you how many season tickets were available, but not sold.Which, as per this topic, also concludes that whatever level of involvement there may be from "ticket re-sellers" in recent years, that involvement has, in no way, preventing Penn State from selling season tickets to any fan who wants them.
Won’t end #4. Most of the big programs always announce tix sold plus tix they give to important people, etc. Has not been an accurate reflection of butts in seats in a long time.
I think most people know that. It seems silly, to some, that they would do that (especially that now with all the electronic tickets and what not, they do know exactly how many show up), but I think most people just shrug their shoulders at that topic.
What Penn State did - especially last year - though, was a bit different. They just made up a fairy tale. They actually reported attendance for the season at above 100% of capacity, when - and I think most people are aware of this - they certainly didn't sell 100%+ of available tickets (let alone "butts in seats"). I don't think it is worth anyone losing any sleep over, if they reported attendance of 150,000 per game, who cares? But it does open a bit of a window into the mentality of those who run Penn State Athletics - and maybe Penn State as a whole - that being the philosophy of just saying whatever (nonsensical) thing you want, just make $^%# up, and repeat it often enough, and it can become "your truth".
The idea of "repeat it often enough, and it can become "your truth" is much bigger than PSU football. There is a huge segment of society at large that buys crap like that everyday. I'll leave the rest of that alone and wont turn this into something that belongs on the test board. I think you get my point.
Truth, like so many other virtues, is in short supply these days. It's all about marketing and making a buck. For years I believed I was part of something bigger than myself, the "Penn State Family". Perhaps it was so then but it is just an empty slogan today. A University I once loved I now barely care about. I fully understand the feeling is mutual. No one in power there cares about me either unless I come to them with cash in hand.
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I also believe the letter is bogus, but the article below may shed additional light on the issue.
Could possibly free up a few thousand tickets in the lower bowl areas for purchase by Penn State alum and fans.
Penn State Football: Department Targets Ticket Brokers as Renewals Get Underway
Penn State Athletics has stopped the renewal process for about 460 Penn State football season-ticket-holding accounts, according to a department official.
www.statecollege.com
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Not fake news login into your account as of this morning and you will be asked if you are a broker
Thats a little different than getting a letter saying that you are not eligible.
And I logged into my account last week and nothing was asked. Full disclosure I had printed tickets last year.
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