Quay Evans wants $200K a year to play college football

bonedaddy401

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Good lord how did the Wall Street Journal geta holdof him? Damn it Melvin, get these secret commits under control!
 

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'we don't need pocket change. when i go out i never pay for anything anyway"........ncaa, are you reading this???
 

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hard work should be rewarded with annual salaries of a minimum of $200k.

Where do I get in the "I work hard and need to get my $200k/year" line?
 

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Just for comparison the minimum NFL salary last year was $325K.

I've always had this question - do the players get to basically go under "work-study" (I'm sure they call it different things at different schools). Where they get paid some?

Look the value of a free education versus student loans is huge, but most people blow that off for some reason, especially students. But we also know that these kids hardly ever pay for anything when the go out and get handshake money so they don't have it near as bad as some people make it out.
 

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Look the value of a free education versus student loans is huge, but most people blow that off for some reason, especially students.

Exactly. Free education is HUGE these days. I'm sick of the "college athletes deserve compensation" argument. Playing a sport is not a necessity. If it's that important to them, I propose the following pay structure:

Opportunity cost - value of athletic scholarship = athlete excess compensation.

What would a reasonable opportunity cost be for a college student/athlete? 25 hours a week at an $8/hr job?** That's around $10k/yr before taxes. Take out your scholarship value at even a cheap state university (~$10k a year for tuition, room, and board) and you begin to see very quickly that athletes aren't getting a raw deal. They can kiss my *** if that doesn't net them a positive number.

Further, I don't care if amateur athletes are making people rich off their "services". People have been getting rich on the backs of others for centuries - I don't see why college athletes deserve a pity party any more than the majority of the rest of us that work hard while making others rich.

**I'm sure some former college athlete is going to bring up a sob story about how many hours athletes put in to practice/games/travel/etc. Good for you. I'm impressed by your work ethic and love of a sport. However, I'm more concerned with real-world alternatives you would have faced had you not played a sport. You had the choice to play (while getting free education) or not play (while paying your own way). The first choice means getting free school and busting your *** off during your free time. The second choice means hoping you can find a part time gig in a college town to offset some of your accumulating debt. I'm not so sure the first choice sounds so bad when compared to the second.
 

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If you pay football players the powers at be will say you have to pay all student athletes. How will schools like UAB, USM, La Tech and even Miss State and Ole Miss ever be able to afford it. It is ridiculous to pay them. The NFL should changed the three year rule and then if these guys think they are good enough to be paid let them go pro.
 

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ckDOG said:
Look the value of a free education versus student loans is huge, but most people blow that off for some reason, especially students.

Exactly. Free education is HUGE these days. I'm sick of the "college athletes deserve compensation" argument. Playing a sport is not a necessity. If it's that important to them, I propose the following pay structure:

Opportunity cost - value of athletic scholarship = athlete excess compensation.

What would a reasonable opportunity cost be for a college student/athlete? 25 hours a week at an $8/hr job? That's around $10k/yr before taxes. Take out your scholarship value at even a cheap state university (~$10k a year for tuition, room, and board) and you begin to see very quickly that athletes aren't getting a raw deal. They can kiss my *** if that doesn't net them a positive number.

Further, I don't care if amateur athletes are making people rich off their "services". People have been getting rich on the backs of others for centuries - I don't see why college athletes deserve a pity party any more than the majority of the rest of us that work hard while making others rich.
They are getting a free college education!!!That's an opportunity of a lifetime. What you choose to make of that opportunity isall up to you. I'm sick of people walking around with their hands out "expecting" **** to be given to them!
 

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Mississippi State University says a full scholarship is worth $19,975. In these days of redshirting and five year degrees, let's forget inflation and rising tuition, an athletic scholarship/college degree at MSU is worth roughly $100,000.

Keep in mind that MSU is probably among the lowest cost BCS schools.

Let's say that you take out student loans to cover the entire cost of $100,000. At 4.5% interest and a 20-year payment plan, one would pay $632.65/month for 240 months, or $151,836.

Now, let's assume that one takes their college degree and works. We all have heard that someone with a college degree will earn on average a million dollars more over their careers than someone with a high school diploma.

So roughly, a college athletic scholarship is worth about $1.2 million dollars vs. what would happen if they did not have the scholarship. Over five years, that's about $240,000 a year that they are being paid.
 

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not only are they getting a free education, at most schools, they are handheld through classes to ensure they remain eligible, and so long as they can graduate, there is always a network of alums willing to give them a job out of school without having to go through the standard job search process like the rest of us, and without biding their time working crap hourly wage jobs hoping that to finally land a job to get moving along the career path.
 

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will be the last day that I send a check to the MSU Bulldog Club.

We already provide them with free education, free meals, free clothing, free health care, oportunity to travel around the country for free, experiences that I can't even imagine having had as a 20 year old, advantages that most none of us had going into our jobs, and so on and so forth.

How many of these little bastards provide a university with viable income on their own? How many Reggie Bush, Tim Tebow, Vince Young, Cam Newon, Charles Woodson, Peyton Manning or Desmond Howards are there out there each year? You rarely have a player that can do that. How many players in the 2011 season will provide their team with $200,000 net return all by themselves?</p>
 

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Scholarship + busting *** playing football > busting *** in low pay job + student loans

Of course, another problem is that a lot of the student athletes don't perceive a value in education in the first place. They just want to play football. But, that's an entirely different issue. It's not my problem they don't appreciate the form of compensation.
 

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point that the people for paying players are missing is that it will not get rid of the greed and cheating.
 

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KurtRambis4 said:
point that the people for paying players are missing is that it will not get rid of the greed and cheating.
obviously. putting $1-2K in an athlete's pocket each semester isn't gonna change their reaction when an agent or booster comes offering them more money.
 

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apparently it's not obvious to everyone. Some of the people in favor of paying players seem to use that as the basis that it will get rid of cheating.
 

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He clearly wants to go to state sooo bad he wants the ncaa closely monitoingr his recruitment. This is all just a ploy, he cleverly devised, to keep all the schools that try to buy players away. I salute you Quay**
 

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KurtRambis4 said:
apparently it's not obvious to everyone. Some of the people in favor of paying players seem to use that as the basis that it will get rid of cheating.
if americans haven't taught you anything in the last couple of years, it's that they latch on to an overly simplified idea (say taxes, for or against cuts) and cheer for one side or the other without considering all the ramifications of said idea. <div>
</div><div>that's what has happened with paying CFB players, people see players saying they took money because they "couldn't eat" and see huge stadiums filled and bowls making $$ and they say players should get a cut. nevermind whether paying players would violate amateurism laws and tax exempt statuses and how to legally justify paying CFB athletes and not other sports, and what about smaller programs fitting it in their tight budgets, and what about FCS programs and what about, and would all schools pay the same, or would we have a living cost analysis depending on the city/town? just so many issues that most people don't even think about when saying they should get paid.</div>
 

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ckDOG said:

Further, I don't care if amateur athletes are making people rich off their "services". People have been getting rich on the backs of others for centuries - I don't see why college athletes deserve a pity party any more than the majority of the rest of us that work hard while making others rich.
if employers in your industry were allowed to collude in order to hold downwagesand/or restrict the form of compensation.

That said, the issue would be a lot easier if the NFL didn't have an age restriction on being eligible. If the NFL, arena football league, etc. were options for 17-18 year olds, there wouldn't be a problem with pretending college football is an amateur sport. As it is, you're taking kids that have a marketable skill (for some of them their only marketable skill), and telling them they have to work for below market wages in mostly non-cash compensation for 3 years before pursuing their career so that college athletics departments can dump money into coaches and facilities.Pretty ridiculous, but at least the under the table closes the gap a tad.
 

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However, I'm not an amateur in my industry. I expect to get paid a "fair" wage because wage is a key element of employment. The lack of wages is a key element of amateurism. If you want to get paid, don't play amateur athletics. Very simple.

Your point about the eligibility restrictions for the pro leagues is fair though. If there are student athletes that are physically able to compete in a pro league, they should be afforded that opportunity as soon as possible. It's their right to have that gamble to win or lose on. If the pro leagues and college athletics are somehow colluding to take that opportunity away from some folks, then that's a problem. I doubt that affects more than 2% or 3% of amateur student athletes, so I'm not sure if it's an issue big enough for system-wide reform.

The only reason this is an issue is because there are so many parties making loads of cash on amateurs. I think you really just have to chalk this up to tough luck for the amateurs in this case. Sure, there's an element of hypocrisy involved. I'm okay with that because the reality is that the vast majority are benefiting from the system and are nowhere near being harmed and system-wide reform would cause more harm than good and bring opportunity for an even more screwed up college sports system. How do you determine pay? Performance based compensation? Do starters get paid more than 3rd string? Do men and women get paid the same? Does football get paid more than golf? Does Alabama get more than Southern Miss? Does the money follow TV ratings?
 

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The warning signs are out on Evans. He may be a fine athlete, but he looks like a head case that will be more trouble than he worth to whichever school can direct him to the dotted line first.
 

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How do you justify saying that people don't deserve compensation for their production and work? This free education stuff is vague. Pell grants are handing that out pell mell anyway. I don't think I should work for free, and I don't think that others should work for me for free. With the income being generated, the solution is just not as simple as we'd like it to be. I wouldn't support big money to college athletes but I think compensation on par with a middle class allowance is the least that is justified. I am a fan, but I don't like the way the game's being run at all.
 

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....that band members get a stipend. Why the band and not the players?

What's being asked of players doesn't allow them time for a part time job. Given what they give to the university and the commitment therin barring any chance to reasonably support one's living expenses....they should get something. I think they should get whatever a reasonable part time job paycheck would be.
 

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The things that need to be adjusted is that all division I sports should have Professional Sports Degrees in the university. Professional Sports is a multi-billion dollar industry in this country and multi-trillion dollars worldwide. The de facto path for Football and Basketball is through the NCAA. Many Baseball players also go through the NCAA. Worldwide would add Hockey, Soccer, Skiing and Track. Athletes, that wish to have a career in professional sports, are the only students that have to go to school to study something other than what they want to do. It is like someone who wants to be doctor has to study to be a farmer. They need to take all their medical classes on the side. They can then only see the Medical School professors 20 hours for 4 weeks during the spring otherwise they have to go to their farming classes.

The Schools need to accept the fact that Professional Sports is a valid industry and do their best to prepare the student for their chosen major. There are also ancillary jobs in these sports, not just the playing of them. Coaching, media, agents, etc. are all careers that a person can make a living within the umbrella of pro sports. It does not matter if the major does not have a high degree of success. They train people in acting and music. Relatively few people make large amounts of money in these endeavors. So have a real curriculum for Professional Sports. This could include classes in Communications, Business, Economics, Law, Physical Education (human growth and development, kinesiology, etc.) as well as the classes concerning their particular sport. It will be up to the student to pass their courses just as now. You also pay these coaches large sums of money and the student is limited to the time they can spend with them. Make these "highest paid teachers" available to the students as much as necessary.

Allow athletes to make as much money as they are able as long as teh shool is not involved in setting up the situation. Athletes should own their own name and likeness. If they want to sign shirts and sell them, fine. They would have to buy the licensed product from the NCAA to sign. The schools would get the same money, if not more money from jersey sales. If they can setup endorsement deals on their own, again fine. Just make it so the school is not involved with setting up these opportunities. No other student is limited in the money they can make while attending school. If a Computer Science major writes Facebook or Google or Doom, they do not lose their scholarship.

Schools cannot pay the athletes or be involved with setting up the endorsement deals.

The final thing for the school is that they often currently get large endowments and gifts from athletes that made good money in their sports. Imagine how much more they would get if they actually helped the student succeed instead of them succeeding in spite of what they had to do while at school. Grateful wallets would open more readily. Also maybe more of these athletes would be able to take better care of their money if they are better prepared.

If a school did not want to be involved with this, have the division 2 and lower run like they do now.
 

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People work hard on their hobbies and dedicate their spare time without compensation all the time. Hard work doesn't mean compensation.

Second, I'm not suggesting they shouldn't be compensated for being a student athlete. I said free education and room & board is enough compensation. Free education is not vague at all. You get to take free classes, have a place to stay, and all the food you can eat. Just look up the the costs and that's the bare minimum dollar value you receive each year. The real value even exceeds that, but the simple yearly cost savings are significant and easy to understand.

If scholarship student athletes are really in a bind, then why don't we hear more stories about them quitting so they can take advantage of working part or full time?
 

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The MOST scholarship I've heard of a band member getting is either $1,500 to $2,000 a semester, and those students were all-state players and music majors. There are academic scholarships worth more, and to add to that, that is a long shot compared to what student athletes get. I couldn't pay for college on $2,000 a semester.
 

ckDOG

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The very likely scenario, should they not be an athlete, is paying their own way. You would have a tough time convincing me that a full time student/part time worker is going to be any better off financially then a student athlete with tuition, room and board covered. I agree - the regulation of not allowing student athletes to earn extra cash (assuming they have spare time) is a burden and inconvenience. If the regulations are keeping players from buying toilet paper and filling up their gas tank to get to practice and visiting mom, then yeah, some sort of nominal compensation could be a good idea. It would have to be very low and designed to compensate only for necessities. If they have time for some unfunded lifestyle, then they need to consider loans.
 

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they'll always want more not matter what you give them.... I say give them a shovel and hard hat and see which option they choose. Bunch of pampered pansy asses... They don't realize what they have set in front of them that 99% of the general public never gets. The Newton BS is about to erupt in the NCAA's face very soon...