Slow Clap. You nailed it. Sort of. There is no denying some of the negatives we contend with. The relentless emphasis of said negatives is something that no other fan base really does though.
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Question, why do our fans who
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Mullen was the best at figuring out that you can't recruit kids who glitz but rather hunting and fishing....as we are about to find out with Ace Reece in Baseball he grew up in a small Texas town and went to university of Houston which is in a rough part of town...he wanted to Be in a more rural setting...
I agree. There is a difference in criticizing when there is a problem, which is what I think 6pack was founded on, and just all out dumping on everything MSU 24/7.
Nope
Of course that number is updated yearly
if you don’t donate at least $100 (I think that’s the limit) you aren’t listed in that number
Keenum shouldn’t be meddling in athletics. That’s why he has an AD.
What exactly did Strickland or cohen do for fans that Selmon hasn’t (less than 2 years by the way).
Reading this board we have had only one AD worth a damn in 40 plus years. Cohen sucked Stricklin sucked. Selmon sucks.
And selmon isn’t running it like the swamp. He’s gotten rid of several swamp people actually.
Who have we lost to a better program in the last 3 years?
Don’t use current players who are in the portal but aren’t gone.
Selmon has refused to take easy wins with the fans. Simple stuff that he could do to settle a lot of this stuff down. He's tone deaf & he's pissed off some boosters now too. There's not one person at State outside of Charlie when he was over all the NIL who is trying to get the fans united and pulling in one direction. It's 17ing awful leadership! Everything here is piecemealed together and going in multiple directions. I was a fan of Selmon until he decided to not take the hand delivered gifts of easy wins. He's also completely stopped on the rebranding to STATE from the banner M.
The school has turned its back on its supporters and the stadium will continue to be empty until that changes. Fans are being asked to invest heavily now but the school basically takes our money and tells us to suck it!
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Do you have a problem with the truth? It's always been that way. It's that way for Ole Miss, when faced with a player that a more desirable program like Alabama wants. You start with the situations at the programs.......if one is better than the other, then it takes other incentives to make the other situation equal or better. It's how shlt works, no matter what we say.
Now as far as our people bltching, I agree I wish we wouldn't. But we have nothing unique to sell. Then on top of that, we have hired morons at athletic director and football coach. So what are we to do?
Does it have to continue? I don't know, but we better get back to that point about selling ourselves. Cowbells, the baseball program, Refuge, cheese.....I'm listening for your ideas.
Z. Thomas, Dillon Johnson, Woody Marks, Rara Thomas (the outcome of him isn't the point), Audavion Collins, and now we have lost the top 3 players from this team (I'm going to include them because not including them is stupid).
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So no specific examples of the easy wins or simple stuff?
So you didn't get something you liked and now you are mad? What if a marketing firm told him to stay with Banner M?
Again give us examples. Specific ones.
Its hard to blame any of those on the current staff. Transfer happen when coaches change. Even at alabama. Rara and Dillon J were before Arnett coached a game.
Who is Audavion Collins? Did he record a single stat while at MSU? Also transferred by Arnett coached a game at MSU.
If we lose all 3 this year you can claim them, but none of them are officially gone yet.
I'm not talking about me, I'm talking about the fan base. I didn't realize I had to put it all in braille for you. We aren't going to agree with anything I say, so it's best to move along. I'm not interested in arguing with you. You can look at any football home game and see the fans aren't happy. You can read all the State sites and social media and see the same. College football is now a business, and when a business ignores the customers, it pays the price.
I am struggling to understand your point. The question asked why people who complain a bunch about MSU football, remain fans.
You ramble about how Keenum is treating fans poorly and how academics have gotten worse. You then ramble about how kids you know who have played at MSU will complain about the quality of professors.
Are you responding to or expanding onto another post's point? Are you saying players are entering the portal and leaving MSU because they dont understand professors?
- If the frustration of others is driving you from the program, then take your own advice and 'just take a break for a while' by not reading this message board. You wont feel driven away from the program if you dont read the triggering comments that drive you away. Pretty simple.
- As for trashing something that should be built up, yeah that mentality can become pretty toxic and unhelpful. But people lying to themselves and others and talking up something that doesnt deserve to be talked up is an insane way to live your life and spend your free time.
- Your comments about friends/family reading this board is 17 simple-minded trash. That crap has been claimed on message boards since the 90s and its always been absurd. To accept that dumbassed reasoning requires everyone to think that if its all positives and sunshine around here, then friends/family of potential recruits will be tricked into thinking MSU is a great fit. Anyone with a brain knows that fans support programs that win and voice displeasure about programs that lose. Nobody is going to be tricked by SPS being only positive about MSU football. And F17S, if only positive comments were posted here, the forum would be dead and no friends/families of potential recruits would come here since there wouldnt be any content!
- I have said this for years- I dont want MSU to sign student athletes who have families that will tell them to leave due to a message board being negative towards that athlete's sport. Nope, uh uh, hard pass.
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This is a message board signature level comment. Seriously, it deserves to be enshrined by others in every post they make.
Starkville is a top 10-15 town in Mississippi?!?! How in the great wide 17 do you think that is that a good point to make when discussing the difficulty of recruiting to SEC towns?!?!
I don't blame the current staff. I said we are a stepping stone program who loses their best players every year and you asked for examples so I gave them. The 3 from this year are not coming back, so I'm going to list them. You asked who went to better programs, so I listed them. Collins is a corner that left us and went to Penn State. He would have started for us this year.
That being said, it does piss me off royally that our "insiders" get online and beat their chest about all of this NIL that we have only to see this continually happen year after year. When you are 2-10, you need more money than your competition in this league to convince difference makers to come to your program and we will never have more money than the giants in this league, yet the "insiders" try to perpetuate the myth that we are "in a good spot" year after year after year. It's gotten really old to have someone piss on your leg and tell you it's rain every year. We would be " in a good spot" if we had a name at head coach or played in the big 12 with this type of money, but we don't. At least they can keep selling subscriptions though. Gotta make a living somehow.
I am convinced that we have some of the most miserable people in the world as our fans. Yes, our football program is in terrible shape right now but the constant doom and gloom and all the "this is the most Mississippi State thing ever" is getting old. I agree with the OP. Some of these folks need to take a break and step away from the internet for a while and get some fresh air or find a new team.
Look, we all know you suck off Keenum, it's no secret here. But I won't judge you for it.
I said Selmon is tone deaf and Keenum is a poor leader. I'm saying the fans have become alienated because of the way things are being done/not being done. I'm not talking about the players here. This is about the supporters of NIL, the school, & team being ignored and pulled in a thousand different fragmented ways due to poor leadership. The goal should be to have everyone pulling in one direction but when they ignore those people and basically just want their money, it's a problem.
I am paraphrasing DS's Twitter post from yesterday, but we remain fans because most of us attended the university. We have a connection with those who attended the university. Oby's, Dooey, Rick's - we like to think the current students are having the same experiences we are having. Starkville is hard to love for an outsider, but those of us that spent 4-7 years there have an affinity for it. When I moved to Starkville in the Fall of 1997, it was an awesome experience.
2024 isn't like 1997. More of these kids have been more places, and Starkville doesn't have the affinity. It saddens me taking my kids back - they just don't like it. But we cheer for those who do share our experiences. This era of college football where players are going year to year is frustrating the true college football fan that appreciates the guys who made the same choice we did.
Some of you accuse me of being all doom and gloom because I have an understanding of where college football is headed, and it is not good for dear ol' State. We're either not going to be included in the future of major college football or this season is going to be our norm.
2024 isn't like 1997. More of these kids have been more places, and Starkville doesn't have the affinity. It saddens me taking my kids back - they just don't like it. But we cheer for those who do share our experiences. This era of college football where players are going year to year is frustrating the true college football fan that appreciates the guys who made the same choice we did.
Some of you accuse me of being all doom and gloom because I have an understanding of where college football is headed, and it is not good for dear ol' State. We're either not going to be included in the future of major college football or this season is going to be our norm.
This is concerning that we have less than 9000 fans who donate $100/year. I wonder how this compares to OM? I know they have more, but if they have three times as many....
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The only true selling point we have is that we're an SEC athletics program.
Same thing for Ole Miss - they are just closer to a big city and have more traditional success in football.
Same thing for Alabama/Auburn - they are just closer to a big city and have a lot more traditional success in football, and in a bigger more successful state, and the town(s) are bigger.
Same thing for.....I could go on and on and on.
So I honestly don't know where to go with it. It's a baseball-crazy state, so we have the aura of that. We have a lot of homegrown football talent, through HS and JUCO, so we should play off that. Embrace the working class, farmer blue-collar cowbell rural ag mentality. Deer huntin' and all that bullshlt. But even then......that doesn't resonate with many. But it's all we got.
After many decades as a State fan, my impression is..... State just doesn't have many hard core fans. State has to many grads that are disengaged or were never fans to begin with.
When I go back to Starkville and campus and spend time with local State fans, they are generally optimistic, positive. I don't hear people bitching about logos or uniforms or parking or cups. I generally hear positive things.
When I get back to the Memphis area or online, most State grads see things from 10,000 ft and see everything as half full. Most State grads aren't engaged and use losing and everything sucks as aN excuse to not make the effort.
Also other schools, media, podcast that crap on State and Starkville..... I think that takes a toll on people that don't get back and see for themselves. They just parrot what they hear on podcast or read.
When I go back to Starkville and campus and spend time with local State fans, they are generally optimistic, positive. I don't hear people bitching about logos or uniforms or parking or cups. I generally hear positive things.
When I get back to the Memphis area or online, most State grads see things from 10,000 ft and see everything as half full. Most State grads aren't engaged and use losing and everything sucks as aN excuse to not make the effort.
Also other schools, media, podcast that crap on State and Starkville..... I think that takes a toll on people that don't get back and see for themselves. They just parrot what they hear on podcast or read.
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I disagree on this, as the CEO he needs to be very concerned about his number one money making division, especially with a green AD.
For me, we just don't seem to have a plan that involves keeping our fans invested. I think Lebby is a good coach, I think the jury is still out on if he's a good HC. I also think this is a three/four year plan and we don't have the ability fix everything overnight like some places in weaker conferences or with a huge collective. Next year is another wash because of the schedule but there's got to be a lot of improvement shown to get people interested & more people believing we're serious about football. We, as a school and athletic dept. have to get a plan to get the fans working together. They've ignored that side of things in a big way!
Well, let's list the positives. It's something to do (SEC sports) for MS people who want to stay in MS. Even the baseball program is an extension of that - that's why we love baseball, because it's what we do all year when it's not cold. Beyond that, I mean most of our victories are upsetting others - not going out and doing things on our own. We simply 'follow' in most all ways, thus, we're always at the end of the line.
Where can we lead?
His meddling is one reason we're in the position we're in. He sees athletics like many other State fans - as a comparison to Ole Miss (and others).
No, he needs to hire a strong AD, and let them do work. But again, he doesn't see it that way so it won't happen. And that's not enough of us rational thinkers around to advise otherwise.
If it where Bryne, or even Stickland, as AD I'd agree but we got someone wet behind the years, he needs a ton of guidance to get where he needs to be.
Great observation. I'd be willing to be the ones who whine the loudest give/attend the least.
And that's BECAUSE of Keenum. You're getting the sequence of all this shlt wrong. You're trying to correct things from the outside.
I disagree. IMO the university/town has postally grown by leaps and bounds since the 90s. It's 10x better now than when i attended. I know four out of state families (via work) who have no connection to MSU or MS, they and their kids who are students love it. One is a Bama alum.
The Cotton District is a hidden gem, its an awesome place and getting better and better.
Hey man, I understand, I've always been Keenum positive, but I'm getting Keenum numeral to Keenum negative. His bungling to the situation after Mike's death is why we are in the shape we are in.
You say you arent talking about the players, but it seemed like you were, since you specfically said players you know have complained about professors.
Thanks for clarifying that you arent talking about the players and are talking about leadership.
Talking about kids who played for me, who have played at and attended State, sorry
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